Recalled/Assigned: Edvinsson, Berggren & others sent to GR

[Cake Eater]

I think Edvinsson will learn in the AHL playing big minutes. But what I'd like to know is what Sebrango is going to learn playing on the 3rd pair down there. And Viro. And McIsaac...

Is Lashoff gonna be 1LD? If Edvinsson is 2LD then I wouldn't expect him to play "big" (20+) mins.

 

[norrisnick]

Europe is in the NORTHERN hemisphere.

I hate you

Is Lashoff gonna be 1LD? If Edvinsson is 2LD then I wouldn't expect him to play "big" (20+) mins.

If Edvinsson got sent down and is stuck playing behind 'vets' down there, just cuz... there are no words for that level of stupidity...

 

[Cake Eater]

Europe is in the NORTHERN hemisphere.

And the SHL and KHL are in the eastern hemisphere.

 

[The Real Pastafarian]

Man, you guys are all riled up. I'm not. I'm happy with the roster.

Re. Edvinsson: he's only a kid. Why rush him? It's not like he was going to win the Calder. Let him play first-pairing minutes in Grand Rapids and maybe next year he'll threaten for the Calder. Or: If he sets the AHL on fire, bring him up, send some pud down.

Unless we're winning games with those puds. Then keep the puds in place. It's like we get two bites at the apple this way.

Re. Berggren: If you can't beat Adam F*cking Erne for a spot on the team, then have fun at Grand Rapids. If next year he still can't beat Erne or Kasper for a spot...who needs him?

I'm not disappointed in the front office for sending Berggren down; I'm disappointed in Berggren, for not beating out puds like Erne and Veleno for a spot. I'm sick of watching both of those two turds. I was told by some of you guys that Berggren was the Second Coming of Gustav Nyquist, and instead we got the second coming of Joakim Andersson. Wrong Swede, guys.

Holy crap, look at our roster. We're going to be rolling 4 lines that might score a goal every once in a while, and a pretty solid blue line. I'm a little worried about goalie, hopefully they keep Okinawa's phone number handy, wherever he ends up. Toledo maybe? Hopefully he's not just waived and picked up by another team.

 

[SirloinUB]

Edvinsson only has 68 games of pro hockey. The idea that he can’t learn in the ahl is batshit

 

[haulinbass]

Man, you guys are all riled up. I'm not. I'm happy with the roster.

Re. Edvinsson: he's only a kid. Why rush him? It's not like he was going to win the Calder. Let him play first-pairing minutes in Grand Rapids and maybe next year he'll threaten for the Calder. Or: If he sets the AHL on fire, bring him up, send some pud down.

Unless we're winning games with those puds. Then keep the puds in place. It's like we get two bites at the apple this way.

Re. Berggren: If you can't beat Adam F*cking Erne for a spot on the team, then have fun at Grand Rapids. If next year he still can't beat Erne or Kasper for a spot...who needs him?

I'm not disappointed in the front office for sending Berggren down; I'm disappointed in Berggren, for not beating out puds like Erne and Veleno for a spot. I'm sick of watching both of those two turds. I was told by some of you guys that Berggren was the Second Coming of Gustav Nyquist, and instead we got the second coming of Joakim Andersson. Wrong Swede, guys.

Holy crap, look at our roster. We're going to be rolling 4 lines that might score a goal every once in a while, and a pretty solid blue line. I'm a little worried about goalie, hopefully they keep Okinawa's phone number handy, wherever he ends up. Toledo maybe? Hopefully he's not just waived and picked up by another team.

I agree on Edvinsson

Berggren wasn't competing for a spot against Erne or Veleno... He is not a 4th line player. He would either needed injuries within the top 9 or beat out Zadina or Kubalik. Pretty tough task, those are some pretty good 3rd line NHL players.

 

[Ricelund]

It seems like a lot of people are forgetting that Seider played a season in the AHL too…

 

[GMR]

Lashoff - Johansson
Edvinsson - Newpower
Sebrango - Kampfer
Viro - Barton
McIsaac

Quite many guys for Toledo too.

Lashoff. LOL.

 

[RRhoads]

Looks like GR will be good this year atleast.

 

[Gniwder]

It's not that it's the end of the world. It's that it just doesn't make sense to me, which irritates me.

Well, looking at your join date it appears you're not a kid. If you don't get it by now, you'll never get it.

Stevie is looking beyond this season, and there is absolutely no reason to rush the kid. If he dominates the AHL so badly that Stevie thinks it's a dead end then he'll trade Hagg or Oesterle and make room for Ed midseason.

What you don't want to do is to handcuff yourself by putting the kid on the NHL roster then having to demote him like what happened with Cholo. "Confidence" is an overused word here, but demoting a kid midseason is the easiest way to ruin confidence. Start low and build up, not the other way around. To most that's obvious.

 

[Bench]

I'm too old to recycle these old debates again. But it's nice to have players that it's even worth talking about.

 

[Gniwder]

Lashoff. LOL.

It's good to have a seasoned vet around for the kids. I have no idea why they signed Kampfer, 34 YO KHL vet for $300k, and now he's going to wind up taking ice time away from the kids.

If they needed more veteran presence they could've just sent Oesterle down. He's 30 and from Dearborn Heights, I'm sure he'll stick with GR if he can't find another NHL job.

 

[norrisnick]

Well, looking at your join date it appears you're not a kid. If you don't get it by now, you'll never get it.

Stevie is looking beyond this season, and there is absolutely no reason to rush the kid. If he dominates the AHL so badly that Stevie thinks it's a dead end then he'll trade Hagg or Oesterle and make room for Ed midseason.

What you don't want to do is to handcuff yourself by putting the kid on the NHL roster then having to demote him like what happened with Cholo. "Confidence" is an overused word here, but demoting a kid midseason is the easiest way to ruin confidence. Start low and build up, not the other way around. To most that's obvious.

It's not that I don't get it. It's that the it doesn't make sense.

Stevie is looking beyond the season. That's fine. In what world is securing Oesterle and Hagg looking towards the future?

How is playing a kid at the level that might challenge him rushing him? That's literally how you learn and develop. You push yourself.

Given what we've seen in preseason, Simon is nowhere near the point where he'd have to get sent down to save himself and/or the team from an implosion. There is nothing in his past or what we've seen since he came over that would lead me to believe that's even remotely a possibility. He is perfectly capable of playing 15min a night on a bottom third team. If EVERY game this year is what he did in preseason and there is zero improvement beyond that? he's still fine and no worse than what will be our 3rd pairing anyway.

 

[Scottgaf1]

When looking to help Edvinsson and Berggren you have to see their role. Is getting them 7 min a night in tbe nhl worth it? As others have mentioned, why not let them be leaders and play 22 min in the AHL, practice special teams etc.

Being on the fourth line doesnt fit Berggren. Edvinsson needs to work on decision making. Talent is there for both to be full time nhl players. The just need the reps.

 

[norrisnick]

It seems like a lot of people are forgetting that Seider played a season in the AHL too…

When he was 18. And I thought we weren't supposed to compare Simon to Mo since they were different players with different development curves? Why is playing in the AHL the one thing where they have to be the same?

 

[norrisnick]

Edvinsson only has 68 games of pro hockey. The idea that he can’t learn in the ahl is batshit

80 (if you're not counting this preseason) but who's counting? Apart from you, but apparently not very well.

And the idea is that there's nothing for him to learn in the AHL that he can't learn (better) in the NHL.



(playoffs and relegation games count)

 

[jkutswings]

Why is playing in the AHL the one thing where they have to be the same?

You think that Edvinsson is close enough that he can just finish the learning curve in the NHL.

Others don't.

It's just that simple.

 

[Cake Eater]

It seems like a lot of people are forgetting that Seider played a season in the AHL too…

I'm not sure anyone has forgotten that.

 

[norrisnick]

You think that Edvinsson is close enough that he can just finish the learning curve in the NHL.

Others don't.

It's just that simple.

That's fine.

But everyone and their brother has been saying "Don't compare Simon to Mo. They aren't the same. Mo's a freak, etc..." which I whole-heartedly agree with. But then many of these same people (posters here or otherwise) almost immediately toss out "Don't forget, Mo spent a year in the AHL too." It's the hypocrisy that's galling.

 

[Gniwder]

That's fine.

But everyone and their brother has been saying "Don't compare Simon to Mo. They aren't the same. Mo's a freak, etc..." which I whole-heartedly agree with. But then many of these same people (posters here or otherwise) almost immediately toss out "Don't forget, Mo spent a year in the AHL too." It's the hypocrisy that's galling.

They're saying Mo is a Calder winner and he needed time in GR, so Ed does too. Unless you think Ed is even better than Mo.....

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the logic.


BTW, I always tell people if you disagree with 90% of the people, then you're either a genius or a moron.

 

[ricky0034]

And the SHL and KHL are in the eastern hemisphere.

the North and East hemisphere?

Nor'easter - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

sounds scary no wonder they want to get to the AHL

When he was 18. And I thought we weren't supposed to compare Simon to Mo since they were different players with different development curves? Why is playing in the AHL the one thing where they have to be the same?

we should send Edvinsson over to Germany for a year too

just to be safe

 

[norrisnick]

They're saying Mo is a Calder winner and he needed time in GR, so Ed does too. Unless you think Ed is even better than Mo.....

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the logic.


BTW, I always tell people if you disagree with 90% of the people, then you're either a genius or a moron.

Do I think Simon Edvinsson at 19 coming out of the SHL is more prepared for the NHL than an 18 year-old Moritz Seider coming out of the DEL? Yes.

 

[MBH]

Man, when it comes to hockey, the south hemisphere sucks.

 

[Cake Eater]

Man, when it comes to hockey, the south hemisphere sucks.

Put some respect on Olaf Kolzig's name.

 

[ricky0034]

Man, when it comes to hockey, the south hemisphere sucks.

for now

someday the rules will change and Australia and their Spiders will reign supreme