Proposal: EDM/TOR

[Golden_Jet]

Oilers would say no thanks.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Why is that exactly? It's not like the Leafs have much cap space opening up this offseason. In fact, the only money they have freeing up (Kessel's retention, two cheap UFA's - which aren't really freeing anything up as those guys need to be re-signed or replaced for similar money) doesn't cover the increase Reilly's contract. Are we expecting Dubas to make a big trade? And that's not even considering the new contracts for any RFA's like Sandin and Liljegren. It's going to be hard for Toronto to keep Campbell, especially if he keeps putting up the numbers he has so far this season.

Campbell is fully expected to stay

 

[ManofSteel55]

Campbell is fully expected to stay

That doesn't answer my concern. I'll ask again. With what money? I'm seriously asking, not trying to be confrontational about it. Is Dubas planning on trading one of his big contracts? Are the Leafs expecting the cap to go up significantly?

 

[KevinRedkey]

Mrazek is Marleau all over again.
He won't cost as much to get rid of, but I really don't see the Leafs being able to dump him for free, which hinders the future signing of Campbell.

Oilers say no quite easily here.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

That doesn't answer my concern. I'll ask again. With what money? I'm seriously asking, not trying to be confrontational about it. Is Dubas planning on trading one of his big contracts? Are the Leafs expecting the cap to go up significantly?

I don't know what their plan is, if I had to guess I would guess Marazek is moved in the off season and either a cheaper guy is brought in or the backup job is given to Woll if he continues to show he can play.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I don't know what their plan is, if I had to guess I would guess Marazek is moved in the off season and either a cheaper guy is brought in or the backup job is given to Woll if he continues to show he can play.

If that's the plan, I hope it works out for you guys, but moving a $4M backup goalie with term isn't easy. Edmonton was trying for years to get rid of theirs.

 

[Chayos]

People seem to forget history. Holland ran Mrazek out of town in Detroit already, so I am sure he is not going there. Good luck with that BTW, should be no problem dumping a overpriced goaltender in this market. Maybe Dubas can do better than Holland with Koskinen.

 

[ManofSteel55]

People seem to forget history. Holland ran Mrazek out of town in Detroit already, so I am sure he is not going there. Good luck with that BTW, should be no problem dumping a overpriced goaltender in this market. Maybe Dubas can do better than Holland with Koskinen.

Holland is a hard one to figure out with goalies. He never seemed happy with Mrazek in Detroit, but he never made a big play to upgrade on him either. Then he was rumoured to have made him an offer (not sure if it was a legit rumour) this past summer, but obviously not the best one out there. Edmonton's goaltending looks bad on paper, but he seems content with it and seemed to defend his decision to keep (or inability to move) Koskinen this past summer. I don't know how to gauge what Holland thinks of goalies.

 

[seanlinden]

It's an interesting bit of timing, that's forsure... and what 20 games can do for a value-swing.

Rewind to the offseason...

From the Oilers -- I'm sure Holland would have loved to trade Koskinen for nothing, to sign Mrazek for $3.8m.

From the Leafs -- Would the Leafs have taken Koskinen at $700k retained rather than sign Mrazek for 3 years, probably not. They wanted a guy to be a tandem goalie with Campbell.

Fast forward to today...

For the Oilers -- Koskinen is playing really well, Mrazek hurt again.

For the Leafs -- Jack Campbell appears to be lined up for #1 goalie money and a #1 goalie role long term. Mrazek's $3.8m next year is a concern. A guy on an expiring deal likely more appealing.

Ultimately, I don't think the Leafs are all that concerned about Mrazek though. He's 29 years old, and he'll eventually recover / get some game action behind a pretty solid defensive team. At $3.8m he's an "easy" tandem goalie for most teams. He's not a 39 year old Patrick Marleau at $6m with a full NMC.

 

[Leaf Fans]

That doesn't answer my concern. I'll ask again. With what money? I'm seriously asking, not trying to be confrontational about it. Is Dubas planning on trading one of his big contracts? Are the Leafs expecting the cap to go up significantly?

Cap will go up a bit. Dubas and Pridham will find the space. It night be through trade or whatever. " With what money?" Has been asked for three years now. It was a reason why people argued that Riely Nash was Toronto's big deadline deal and why Toronto couldn't do anything in free agency. While I don't have an answer exactly I do know that like every team they will be willing to give up a player if the like another one better for the team.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Edmonton turns this down pretty damned easily.

 

[coopooter]

Campbell is fully expected to stay

It’s his only chance at a big contract and expect the Grubauer contract to be the starting point

 

[EK392000]

Mrazek is made of glass and wouldn't be a good gamble for a team with playoff aspirations

 

[Dache]

Toronto says no.

Some Toronto fans.

 

[Dache]

You believe he signed Mrazek just to turn around and dump him because he knew all along he had to sign Campbell?
Was Mrazek a mistake he now needs to correct since he didn't realize he'd have to sign Campbell?

Maybe he didn’t know all along that Campbell would play so great this year. Maybe at the time he wanted insurance. There’s a ton of reason why. Campbell getting a raise is almost a foregone conclusion at this point. No one is claiming to know for a fact what Dubas is it was thinking. But crapping all over anyone that takes a reasonable guess at it is silly. Why be on this site if things bother you so much.

 

[34]

Koskinen is awful. The Oilers D and goaltending are some of the worst in the NHL.

No way Toronto does this.

 

[34]

Some Toronto fans.

ALL Toronto fans.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Some Toronto fans.

Yup. In fact when I wrote the post, it was just me.

 

[Dache]

ALL Toronto fans.

Impossible for you to know the opinion of all Toronto fans.

 

[34]

Impossible for you to know the opinion of all Toronto fans.

Are you trying to be funny? Koskinen is brutal!

 

[Dache]

Are you trying to be funny? Koskinen is brutal!

Not at all. Mostly pointing out how if a non leaf fan makes a “leaf fan” claim he’s bombarded with “not all leaf fans are a hive mind” yet many leaf fans make the same type of claims. Koskinen definitely has moments of poor play. As does Mrazek. However in this deal the team with Koskinen would be able to rid themselves of him at the end of the year.

 

[voxel]

Mrazek is cap dump and will prevent the Leafs from resigning Campbell.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Impossible for you to know the opinion of all Toronto fans.

And all Edmonton fans. However, the question was designed for people to attempt to give opinions on what the team would do. Of course, we are all individuals and lack the ability to speak for the team itself including all of its fans.

 

[34]

Mrazek is cap dump and will prevent the Leafs from resigning Campbell.

Mrazek is better than every goalie in the Edmonton system.

 

[nturn06]

Mrazek is cap dump and will prevent the Leafs from resigning Campbell.

Yea, but did you see how amazing Mrazek's advanced stats looked last season...