Confirmed Signing with Link: [EDM] Kris Russell (1 year, $3.1M)

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Mcnotloilersfan

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Great, enjoy a guy who's best skill is jumping in front of picks. Tons of fans like heart and soul guys who just aren't very effective.

34 point season. 21st last year in puck retrieval (behind only elite names).

Why do you keep arguing something that you have no facts to support? When others are constantly throwing facts your way proving you wrong?
 

93LEAFS

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34 point season. 21st last year in puck retrieval (behind only elite names).

Why do you keep arguing something that you have no facts to support? When others are constantly throwing facts your way proving you wrong?
Guess you ignored the link to the possession numbers I posted by linking his hockey reference page. He is a terrible possession player. Even if you use Fenwick he is a bad player which ignores blocked shots.
 

PatrikOverAuston

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Guess you ignored the link to the possession numbers I posted by linking his hockey reference page. He is a terrible possession player. Even if you use Fenwick he is a bad player which ignores blocked shots.

So that still doesn't answer the question of how he managed to accrue 29+ points on two occasions without "any" skill besides blocking shots.
 

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So that still doesn't answer the question of how he managed to accrue 29+ points on two occasions without "any" skill besides blocking shots.
He got more than 29 points once, which was fueled by a 11.2 OISH% at 5 on 5, that isn't sustainable. Those numbers aren't great either for someone who gets over 200 minutes of PP time.
 

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He doesnt need to be the Karlsson for the oilers blocking shots and pitching in around 20-35 pts for them is enough. If he can do that and provide solid defence (doesnt have to be Tanev either) this signing will be well worth it for them.
 

Mcnotloilersfan

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He got more than 29 points once, which was fueled by a 11.2 OISH% at 5 on 5, that isn't sustainable. Those numbers aren't great either for someone who gets over 200 minutes of PP time.

Oh come on. The other season the guy was referring to was a 29 point season in 68 games. You're REALLY reaching here. :laugh:

Advanced stats don't paint a clear picture of a player at all. They're a tool to use, but sometimes not even all that helpful. If those are all you're going to use, while ignoring the hard stats in his favour, then you are clearly just here with an agenda.
 

PatrikOverAuston

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He got more than 29 points once, which was fueled by a 11.2 OISH% at 5 on 5, that isn't sustainable. Those numbers aren't great either for someone who gets over 200 minutes of PP time.

He had 29 points in 13-14, which is certainly "29+". But again, your advanced stats still don't explain your statement that he cannot skate, shoot or pass at an NHL level. There are numerous other players with major skill deficiencies that never come close to jobs in the show, never mind produce that much offense.

So again, I ask, how is it possible?
 

Mcnotloilersfan

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He doesnt need to be the Karlsson for the oilers blocking shots and pitching in around 20-35 pts for them is enough. If he can do that and provide solid defence (doesnt have to be Tanev either) this signing will be well worth it for them.

no... but I mean it would be great if he could :sarcasm::naughty:
 

aufheben

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Oh come on. The other season the guy was referring to was a 29 point season in 68 games. You're REALLY reaching here. :laugh:

Advanced stats don't paint a clear picture of a player at all. They're a tool to use, but sometimes not even all that helpful. If those are all you're going to use, while ignoring the hard stats in his favour, then you are clearly just here with an agenda.
There's nothing really advanced about it, the other team takes a million shots when he's on the ice.
 

93LEAFS

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He had 29 points in 13-14, which is certainly "29+". But again, your advanced stats still don't explain your statement that he cannot skate, shoot or pass at an NHL level. There are numerous other players with major skill deficiencies that never come close to jobs in the show, never mind produce that much offense.

So again, I ask, how is it possible?
Please show me exactly where I said this, you either confusing me with someone or making things up, I suspect the latter. I said his most known skill is jumping infront of pucks, which isn't really a positive thing. What I said was, he isn't a good player and I stand by that, he's a bottom pairing guy who has inflated offensive numbers due to undeserved power play time. He constantly gets hemmed in his own zone, and is forced to use the option of last resort (jumping infront of shots). Yakupov can skate, shoot and pass at an NHL level, it doesn't make him a good player.
 

PatrikOverAuston

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Please show me exactly where I said this, you either confusing me with someone or making things up, I suspect the latter. I said his most known skill is jumping infront of pucks, which isn't really a positive thing.

Actually what you said was:

Great, enjoy a guy who's best skill is jumping in front of picks.

Obviously if his best skill is standing in shooting lanes, he can't do anything else at a high or even adequate level. That doesn't jive with him besting many other NHLers in goals, assists, points etc. etc. etc., nor does it jive with his usage by three different teams- all of which also deployed him regularly in the playoffs.

Your one-note take isn't valid, just like an Oilers fan proclaiming him a #3 would not be. The truth is somewhere in between "no skills l0lz" and "top pairing!!!!11".
 

93LEAFS

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Actually what you said was:



Obviously if his best skill is standing in shooting lanes, he can't do anything else at a high or even adequate level. That doesn't jive with him besting many other NHLers in goals, assists, points etc. etc. etc., nor does it jive with his usage by three different teams- all of which also deployed him regularly in the playoffs.

Your one-note take isn't valid, just like an Oilers fan proclaiming him a #3 would not be. The truth is somewhere in between "no skills l0lz" and "top pairing!!!!11".
It is his best skill. That doesn't mean he can't skate, shoot or pass. Great reading comprehension.
 

Mcnotloilersfan

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There's nothing really advanced about it, the other team takes a million shots when he's on the ice.

link?

Please show me exactly where I said this, you either confusing me with someone or making things up, I suspect the latter. I said his most known skill is jumping infront of pucks, which isn't really a positive thing. What I said was, he isn't a good player and I stand by that, he's a bottom pairing guy who has inflated offensive numbers due to undeserved power play time. He constantly gets hemmed in his own zone, and is forced to use the option of last resort (jumping infront of shots). Yakupov can skate, shoot and pass at an NHL level, it doesn't make him a good player.

How was his powerplay time undeserved? Is shotblocking his most known skill or is that again just part of your agenda? He's known for playing a quality 2 way game with elite puck retrieval skills.

Yakupov can do those things, but can't put them together at the NHL level. Russell can.
 

93LEAFS

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link?



How was his powerplay time undeserved? Is shotblocking his most known skill or is that again just part of your agenda? He's known for playing a quality 2 way game with elite puck retrieval skills.

Yakupov can do those things, but can't put them together at the NHL level. Russell can.
Because he doesn't produce that well for a guy who gets those minutes. Enjoy him, but he's a bottom pairing guy, if that. He gets constantly hemmed in his own zone, if his passing or skating skills were as good as people think he wouldn't get constantly trapped.

And his fenwick and corsi stats show that teams take a million shots when he's on the ice.
 

aufheben

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link?



How was his powerplay time undeserved? Is shotblocking his most known skill or is that again just part of your agenda? He's known for playing a quality 2 way game with elite puck retrieval skills.

Yakupov can do those things, but can't put them together at the NHL level. Russell can.
http://www.sportingcharts.com/nhl/stats/player-blocks-statistics/2015/
http://www.sportingcharts.com/nhl/stats/player-blocks-statistics/2014/
http://www.sportingcharts.com/nhl/stats/player-blocks-statistics/2013/
 

93LEAFS

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If you want to pretend you didn't say what you did, why bother saying it in the first place?
I admitted i said his best skill was jumping in front of pucks? Where did I say he couldn't skate, pass or shoot. You clearly love exaggerating other peoples basic statements into your own narrative.

So, I ask again. Show me exactly where I said he couldn't skate, shoot or pass? Because I didn't, and you know this.
 

vendetta

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I like the signing for the oikers.. tho I question if he plays Rd effectively? I wanted him on left side bottom pair for panthers..
 

Jeti

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How did a player who went unsigned all summer get a $3.1M deal right before the season starts? Could they really not have negotiated down? What were his alternatives at this point?
 
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