You do realize Kostin played against inferior opponents being on the 4th line.
I liked Kostin but the cap causes casualties for every team. Look at Hyman, Leafs could not afford him. Now Bunting.
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I liked Kostin but the cap causes casualties for every team. Look at Hyman, Leafs could not afford him. Now Bunting.
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But he also had inferior linemates. It's a fact Kostin produced exceptionally well in his role, you only need to look back how other Oilers 4th liners have done in the past decade. However, it's a matter of taste if he'd be worth his new salary. I'd given it a go, but understand different views.
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Can’t blame the guy for wanting to be paid. He hasn’t made much money in his career.
I understand not paying him 2mil though on our limited cap.
Sucks to see him go. Really liked him as an Oiler.
I understand not paying him 2mil though on our limited cap.
Sucks to see him go. Really liked him as an Oiler.
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2mil is maybe a touch high for Koskin, but no doubt he has the potential to earn it. Good for him to get this payday after being waived last year.
Still that's a solid half mil more than the highest the Oil could have given him. Especially when there's guys like Watson, Hathaway, and even Kassian on the market, who can fill his role and should all cost about half.
Still that's a solid half mil more than the highest the Oil could have given him. Especially when there's guys like Watson, Hathaway, and even Kassian on the market, who can fill his role and should all cost about half.
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Good for Klim, but likely too much and definitely too much for a contender like Edmonton to fit on their team
Yzerman valued him even higher since he was willing to eat the Yams buyout just to get this opportunity. I hope Klim does great, doesn’t mean he should’ve been signed here.
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DET needed his grit and 2M is nothing for him. Kostin is still new and has 2nd line upside. Hollan set the bar by letting him go for other UFAs like Janmark, Bjugstad ,Brown etc
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They literally cannot afford him unless they were going to run a short roster which they said they don’t want to do. Cap casualty
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If the coach was good with him playing 13-15mins a night we could have made room for him at 2M.. Campbell buyout being an option.
Fans liked his game more than management it seems.
Campbell buyout is not a realistic option this summer. It won’t happen.
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So it seems there weren't takers for Yamamoto after all. Or the price to move him was higher than the buyout cost.
While I would've kept Kostin it wasn't just about keeping a 1.5-2 million guy (I think the contract situation would've pushed his salary down a bit in the Oilers), but this saved Oilers from having to buy Yamamoto out or using an asset to move him. That makes moving Kostin more understandable.
While I would've kept Kostin it wasn't just about keeping a 1.5-2 million guy (I think the contract situation would've pushed his salary down a bit in the Oilers), but this saved Oilers from having to buy Yamamoto out or using an asset to move him. That makes moving Kostin more understandable.
Wings are pretty much paying 2.9mill for Kostin cause they had to buyout Yamamoto to get him. That’s far far too much.
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Why not? The 1.5 cap penalty for the last 4 years will be such a small % of the cap after major increases the next few years. Meanwhile it frees up well over 3 million the next 2 years when we absolutely need to compete. Blackwood in for Campbell at 800k, sign all the RFAs out there on 2 year deals and load up.
1. I don’t think the Oilers think he’s a lost cause at this point. There is just no guarantee a Blackwood/ Skinner combo gets the job done. They will give Campbell a shot.
2. it would be very rare to buyout a guy signed just a year ago. Edmonton has a tough time attracting free agents and a move like this might not sit well with guys. That reality sucks but it’s true.
3. Dead cap has killed this team lately, don’t think Holland wants more of it.
I just don’t even imagine the team has even really discussed this with any seriousness.
Blackwood has been a bad goalie for 3 years straight. Campbell had an awful season. You grab Blackwood you are almost guaranteeing yourself a bad goalie.
There is also no guarentee those guys sign here. So you buy him out those guys and goalie go other places and suddenly you don’t have a goalie to play with Skinner and you just screwed yourself.
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Being a GM is taking risks. "Risking" that maybe a few out of the dozen quality rfa/low cost UFAs will wanna come to a cup contender and play with mcDrai is a risk, that frankly if you dont take you have no business being a GM.
Blackwood was just one of a few possible low end high pedigree names I coulda pulled out of a hat, but word is injury has heavily impacted his play. If hes healthy Id take that risk as a backup too.
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Not capitalizing on the window will kill this team definitively. Any of the other perceived wrongs will not be taken seriously by anyone if the Oilers win the cup. Players wont care if you dump Campbell for being a bum when you need every dollar to win a cup. Its not like this is a bottom dweller weaseling out of paying a guy. Players would be lined up to sign up for Campbells cap space. Campbell was an .800 goalie last year. No one, not even his agent or other goalies will think thats acceptable performance for over 5m dollars. Dead cap wont matter AT ALL for this team if they dont win in this window.
Buying out Campbell to sign Blackwood and 4th liners won’t do all that much. And arguably could have worse goaltending than if we could keep Campbell. Why not just buyout Nuge, Hyman and Campbell all at once so we can sign Kane, Wheeler and Blackwood. Gotta take risks right?
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The RFAs available fit our window and actually set back the clock a bit. Actual good 24 year old players dont come available in a normal offseason, its a rare opportunity. Arguably, we could not have worse goaltending than Campbell, who scraped the bottom of the league all season long. STAN your heart out bud.
Kane and Wheeler would be the oldest players on our team and perform at a lower level than Hyman and Nuge regularly and especially last season. Your argument is facetious, fallacious, and impetuous.
Anything else?
They aren’t actual good 24 year olds though? If they were they would be qualified.
I’m saying it’s more likely that Campbell rebounds than Blackwood stops being shit
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We should give Klim a standing O when the Wings visit, will miss him, but good for him to land this nice contract
