Confirmed with Link: [EDM/DET] Yamamoto and Kostin for Future Considerations

belair

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I think we can sign better fits to be honest.

He's too small for the bottom 6 and didn't work well enough in our top 6. He can go get bigger minutes and opportunity on a worse team
If he's available to us at under $1m, you do it. All that matters is that he's affordable depth. Even his poor season last year exceeds the value of an $850k contract.

He plays 16+ minutes a night, he PKs, he's aggressive on the forecheck and he has chemistry with the elites. We didn't trade him away because of the fit. We traded him because we couldn't afford him.
 

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If he's available to us at under $1m, you do it. All that matters is that he's affordable depth. Even his poor season last year exceeds the value of an $850k contract.

He plays 16+ minutes a night, he PKs, he's aggressive on the forecheck and he has chemistry with the elites. We didn't trade him away because of the fit. We traded him because we couldn't afford him.
And I’m saying I think there are better players worth taking a flyer on in FA. We know what Yamamoto is - he’s largely ineffectual for long stretches and doesn’t fit in well in the bottom 6. If we’re getting Brown I really don’t see a role for Yamamoto here.
 

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And I’m saying I think there are better players worth taking a flyer on in FA. We know what Yamamoto is - he’s largely ineffectual for long stretches and doesn’t fit in well in the bottom 6. If we’re getting Brown I really don’t see a role for Yamamoto here.
At $850k that contract would be buriable though. They can sign a dozen of those contracts. And as it stands, Yamamoto would probably still play in the top nine, even with Connor Brown.
 
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At $850k that contract would be buriable though. They can sign a dozen of those contracts. And as it stands, Yamamoto would probably still play in the top nine, even with Connor Brown.
I guess he could be a last resort option. I’d personally prefer someone who’s bigger, more physical and could provide a different dimension, especially with Kostin out. I’d honestly be inclined to give Lavoie a real look over signing him.

The playoff numbers are what really sour me on bringing him back. He’d be a good addition to the locker room but not much else IMO.
 

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Stauffer really pondering on Wilkins show last night if Yamo gets bought out.

Nevermind, see it was posted.

Just made me wonder if Stauffer was saying that so he can back Holland and say "look he got rid of a guy no one wanted for nothing"
 

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Stauffer really pondering on Wilkins show last night if Yamo gets bought out.

Nevermind, see it was posted.

Just made me wonder if Stauffer was saying that so he can back Holland and say "look he got rid of a guy no one wanted for nothing"
But he didn't get rid of him for nothing. He gave up a 4th line player that contributed more than he was being paid.
Holland now needs to once again replace him. If say much greater chance we get an Archibald than a kostin.
 
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But he didn't get rid of him for nothing. He gave up a 4th line player that contributed more than he was being paid.
Holland now needs to once again replace him. If say much greater chance we get an Archibald than a kostin.
Exactly this. Now the impossible mission is to find somebody better or as good as Kostin for cheap. Which players are those, and most of our cheap fill have been misses rather than hits.
 

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Exactly this. Now the impossible mission is to find somebody better or as good as Kostin for cheap. Which players are those, and most of our cheap fill have been misses rather than hits.
Except Kostin wasn’t going to be cheap enough for the Oilers to afford.

It sucks losing Kostin and the Oilers wanted to keep him but not at any price.
 
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But he didn't get rid of him for nothing. He gave up a 4th line player that contributed more than he was being paid.
Holland now needs to once again replace him. If say much greater chance we get an Archibald than a kostin.
And when the same player allegedly seeks to increase his salary significantly, the value of said player changes (defined as player impact per amount of the salary cap allocated).
 

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My RNH rookie jersey is the only one I have ever bought.

Though I did buy a Smyth teeshirt and I have a ball cap he signed.
(all volunteer stuff giveaways)

I guess he could be a last resort option. I’d personally prefer someone who’s bigger, more physical and could provide a different dimension, especially with Kostin out. I’d honestly be inclined to give Lavoie a real look over signing him.

The playoff numbers are what really sour me on bringing him back. He’d be a good addition to the locker room but not much else IMO.
Id prefer a good hockey player.
 

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Except Kostin wasn’t going to be cheap enough for the Oilers to afford.

It sucks losing Kostin and the Oilers wanted to keep him but not at any price.
Yet the Oilers have, and have had several players at much higher sticker price that have accomplished far less, particularly in playoffs. Many of the teams supposed leaders, who ARE in topsix and who are extremely well paid contributed no shows in the playoffs while Kostin somehow scored 3 EV goals and had dominating shifts albeit far too few of them. Theres a longlist of top players on this team that were putrid in the playoffs but we're paring one of the cheapest contracts on the team, and that would still be one of the cheapest contracts on the team.

Should we count the list of playoff no shows that make a lot of money here?
 
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Yet the Oilers have, and have had several players at much higher sticker price that have accomplished far less, particularly in playoffs. Many of the teams supposed leaders, who ARE in topsix and who are extremely well paid contributed no shows in the playoffs while Kostin somehow scored 3 EV goals and had dominating shifts albeit far too few of them. Theres a longlist of top players on this team that were putrid in the playoffs but we're paring one of the cheapest contracts on the team, and that would still be one of the cheapest contracts on the team.

Should we count the list of playoff no shows that make a lot of money here?
Count how many you can actually move first
 
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Well we have no factual reason to believe Kostin was asking for that. If we go that way we could use it after each bad trade. Like Bouchard is traded for a 2nd rounder and we say would it be better we'd signed him for 15 million for 3 years and so on 😊
Yeah, its interesting that those that just want to deride kostins contribution now have such a flimsy position that they now need to make up that he was asking for 3M longterm. its like a noise factory. As per usual in support of any decision the org makes. Kostin is a very useful player, the type anybody should want. He made all the contributions asked of him and more. He exceeded the EV scoring of all but two players on the team in the playoffs. But now he's chopped chicken liver that "we can easily replace".

Kostin in his paltry 7mins/game of play matched the EV scoring contribution of even Connor McDavid. he exceeded everybody but Draisaitl. Everybody.

Hyman scored 1EV playoff goal. Nuge 1, Yama 1, Kane had 2, all played in topsix and all had far more minutes. Kostin MATCHED the scoring of 3 of our topsix forwards COMBINED but he's of limited value and we can't afford him...
 
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Agreed…it stings a bit to lose Kostin…Yamamoto wasn’t going to move the needle. Honestly this team needs to upgrade the backend and the goaltending….it’s a tired old story, I’m not optimistic
Its a strange story too as most contending teams that suddenly have to pare down their roster because they've drastically overspent are coming off a cup win. We haven't won shit, we've never won more than 8 playoff games (half the amount of a cup win) and we're fireselling talent we can't afford. Ironically one we signed just last season.

Hard pressed to think the Oilers will be better next season while having to drop players, cap, and having nothing to spend on help. remembering that the team was essentially short players much of the season due to cap constraints.

So that we're going to need to be riding some rooks and ELC's that our coaching staff are reluctant to even play. What a mess.
 
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Except Kostin wasn’t going to be cheap enough for the Oilers to afford.

It sucks losing Kostin and the Oilers wanted to keep him but not at any price.
If Kostin went to the KHL the Oilers would still retain his rights for three more years. Next year they may well have been able to afford him. So it was an option to let him go.

I still find it hard to assess value right now. Reilly Smith gets a 3rd and Corey Perry gets a 7th then signs for $4M. 3rd rounders and 7th rounders are for all intents very similar in value. How do these jibe?? Why would a team like Chicago not have taken Yamamoto without a sweetener?
 
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If Kostin went to the KHL the Oilers would still retain his rights for three more years. Next year they may well have been able to afford him. So it was an option to let him go.

I still find it hard to assess value right now. Reilly Smith gets a 3rd and Corey Perry gets a 7th then signs for $4M. 3rd rounders and 7th rounders are for all intents very similar in value. How do these jibe?? Why would a team like Chicago not have taken Yamamoto without a sweetener?
Chicago should've done the trade we did with Detroit. They would've gotten some added toughness with potential to actually grow.

Now these guys they are traded for and signing they can't do nothing with other than play them this year. There is no moving Foligno and Perry at deadline unless a third team gets involved.
 
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Drivesaitl

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Just some bizarre comments from Holland. Bemoaning the lack of contract space to keep players yet he signed guys like Campbell, Yama, etc to overpays to set up his own situation that he's complaining about. Also states that he likes Yama, felt that he was improving, the thought process is convuluted.


At least Yzerman knows what Kostin is. One of the GM's does. They have all kinds of uses for Kostin and plan to use him in bigger roles. "we haven't figured out yet where Yama fits" lol, complete opposite views.

Of course Detroit see Kostin as the value, and Yama the contract they had to add in order to obtain Kostin. Kostin will sign in Detroit and the GM is telling him that he'll get his minutes.
 

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My parents bought me a Brodziak jersey for my birthday.

He was traded a couple months later. Haven't gotten a name on a jersey since.
I had the same situation with a CuJo jersey back in the day. Got a year and half of wear out of it before he left, but I only get jerseys with names on them if I know they will be guys I reminisce about, like Hemsky. Or just ones I pull off the clearance rack. I got a Pajaarvi for 20 bucks after he was already traded.
 

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haha. Couldn't help it. The post opened up the reply. I actually liked Brodziak but not enough to buy a jersey. I'm cheap too, I bought a Smyth jersey on sale with Drillers patch and all. My favorite Jersey, the Dark Blue. Still wear it. I'm never in fashion and don't care.
 
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Drivesaitl

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I wouldn't care, he was my favourite Oiler.
Gotcha. yet another depth player that this org didn't appreciate. Brodziak was a decent player that was let go. A long line of depth players that were.

I had the same situation with a CuJo jersey back in the day. Got a year and half of wear out of it before he left, but I only get jerseys with names on them if I know they will be guys I reminisce about, like Hemsky. Or just ones I pull off the clearance rack. I got a Pajaarvi for 20 bucks after he was already traded.
This is a new low. usually the onsale price is 60bucks. lol. Paajarvi wasn't worth much thats for sure.

Jebus you could leave that jersey in the front yard and nobody would take it.

Cujo on the other hand is a collectible.
 
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Gotcha. yet another depth player that this org didn't appreciate. Brodziak was a decent player that was let go. A long line of depth players that were.


This is a new low. usually the onsale price is 60bucks. lol. Paajarvi wasn't worth much thats for sure.

Jebus you could leave that jersey in the front yard and nobody would take it.

Cujo on the other hand is a collectible.
He's also kind of a celebrity in Vegreville where my dad grew up.
 

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