Confirmed with Link: [EDM/DET] Yamamoto and Kostin for Future Considerations

ManofSteel55

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I don't think a lot of our coaches if this isn't clear. I'd defer to Marchessault and others on what shit our coaching and game plan was. We lose despite of our immense talent.

I was never saying Kostin should be used in shutdown. I was saying the guy can score and gives goalies fits on most of his shots. Quick release laser with good aim.
Sure, he has a good shot. But if you have a good shot but can't be trusted out there, you need to recognize your value, and in this case, it seems like he didn't work to be trusted, and he didn't recognize his value. That's fair for a young guy in some ways, but its also fair to not want to deal with that when you're trying to win championships. He scored some big goals from the fourth line and thinks he should get a chance higher in the lineup, but the fact is that he didn't score enough to be one of those guys that you can overlook the issues like poor positional play and inability to play special teams, and he wasn't defensively responsible enough to use in shutdown situations, so his usefulness is limited on a team where bottom six players need to be versatile and reliable.
 
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This would make me feel better if I had any confidence in the coaching staff or the latest directions the STL Blues have taken over last couple seasons. STL losing this player was a gongshow move. we just repeated.

Could be something else. We'll never know. Or could be NHL being small minded once players are typecast by drafting org. Suspect the latter.
I am mostly in agreement with you though. Became a big fan in short order. Time for a couple of prospects to step up.
 
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Short leash doesn't connote to no leash, and if it does none of those youngers are developing and getting the toi to do that here. In this same thread where all of Broberg, Kostin, Holloway etc were being continually parked, scratched, not played people are suggesting the answer is lavoie? What I'm suspecting is a coach that doesn't like younger players pure and simple. Which is a far cry in a short time from somebody that was coaching in the AHL. Its inexplicable, but hard not to see that young players aren't consistently getting chances here.
Young players need to earn their spot. I think its a coach that wants to win games and have players that can play responsibly. Which is probably a direction from the GM as well. It isn't inexcusable for contending teams to park young guys on the bench or in the minors when they make mistakes. It's actually part of the reason why I'm hoping that we trade Broberg - I don't think he's ready to help us, and I think the longer we hold him, the more his value will drop.
 

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I don't think anyone here is not a fan of Klim Kostin. I loved him.
I didn't hate yammo either. When things were going good he was fun.

But this is where the league is... there is no cap movement... and we have some very highly paid players. Shit happens. We are going to lose players we like.

Hopefully some moves are made and we come out better.

I'm hoping we don't overpay for Connor Brown. I liked him a few years ago... but you gotta be a bit wary with him at this point.
 
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Young players need to earn their spot. I think its a coach that wants to win games and have players that can play responsibly. Which is probably a direction from the GM as well. It isn't inexcusable for contending teams to park young guys on the bench or in the minors when they make mistakes. It's actually part of the reason why I'm hoping that we trade Broberg - I don't think he's ready to help us, and I think the longer we hold him, the more his value will drop.
Kostin was earning his spot time and again, he was all season and playoffs. It wasn't being granted. For whatever reason. I don't know how you earn more than potting 14 goals on limited minutes playing bottomsix, being a constant banger, hard to play against, and punching donkeys. For some individuals any or all of those niches would do. For others it seems that moving mountains wouldn't do it. Not like the first time carnival this club didn't even recognize what they had.
 

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Kostin was earning his spot time and again, he was all season and playoffs. It wasn't being granted. For whatever reason. I don't know how you earn more than potting 14 goals on limited minutes playing bottomsix, being a constant banger, hard to play against, and punching donkeys. For some individuals any or all of those niches would do. For others it seems that moving mountains wouldn't do it. Not like the first time carnival this club didn't even recognize what they had.
Typically you earn more ice time by playing a sound, smart game and by doing what the coaches tell you to do. I know, you're going to rant and rave about coaching again, but maybe the player holds some responsibility there too.

It comes down to this, according to rumours. Apparently Kostin priced him out of being a fourth liner here. Hopefully he is happy getting a shot at increasing his role on a bad team, but I expect he will look back in a few years and wish he had taken the million to stay here.
 

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well I heard rumours we were buying Yamo out or that it would cost us a pick for a team to take Yamo… so this is better.

Sad to see Klim leave tho… or maybe he was the sweetner that Detroit wanted with Yamo?
 

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I think that at this point in time on this team $1.5M is too much for what Kostin brings which is essentially sheltered bottom six 5x5 minutes.
BTW...I purposely didnt address the +/- stat you mentioned because its just not reliable in terms of gauging a player.

The team is obviously in win now mode and with the cap situation I just think the money is better spent on Conner Brown. A legit top 6 player with versatility (something Kostin is not) is a much better bang for the buck.
My guess (and nothing more) is that the Kostin camp was looking for a 3 year deal that averaged around 2.2 Million per season.

Considering that the average NHL salary is now approaching 3.5 Million per season (?? -don't know the latest figures) they may have seen that as a reasonable demand. Players and agents (of course) see it as "their needs" and typically are not interested in a team's cap constraints.

Ultimately it just didn't work for the Oilers who may have viewed it as a possible Kassian part 2 drama.

As for the KHL-- well tell the team bus driver not to get too close to the border. Some of the military patrols and check stops might be looking for volunteers.
 
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Need to be harder in negotiating the Nurse and Campbell deals.
There's nothing to be done about those contracts now. All you can do is not keep making the same mistakes moving forward, and I think not caving to Kostin's ask is a good start.
 

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Yamamoto yes... we knew that was coming. But Kostin...for nothing? I really liked his game and thought with proper use had a tremendous upside. Played like a cheap version of Kane... and as we all know we need grit. Let's see how they'll plug that hole......
I just hope they don’t put plugs in the holes…
 
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Sucks to lose both of these guys. Both scored big goals on this recent playoff run and both showed glimmers of solid potential along the way. The salary cap is a cruel mistress, but that's the reality of being a competitive team.
 

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Young players need to earn their spot. I think its a coach that wants to win games and have players that can play responsibly. Which is probably a direction from the GM as well. It isn't inexcusable for contending teams to park young guys on the bench or in the minors when they make mistakes. It's actually part of the reason why I'm hoping that we trade Broberg - I don't think he's ready to help us, and I think the longer we hold him, the more his value will drop.
The farther along we get with this franchise, the more apparent it becomes that this isn't how it works.

Kailer Yamamoto's value didn't drop because we held onto him too long. It dropped because he grew to a player who earned a contract that exceeded his usefulness.

Philip Broberg even as a bottom pairing defenseman holds more value to Edmonton than he does as a trade chip today, which probably is something around a 2nd round pick.

Players like Kulak and Ceci (and Barrie) present an issue when trying to improve in a limited cap environment. Because it's easy for other teams to see the point when their contracts become an issue. It won't take much for their contracts to be viewed as negative value. Broberg is long, long way from that point.

Acquiring defensemen of that calibre comes at a considerably low cost. The 2nd that we paid for Kulak is at the very high end of what it takes. Replacing prospects on the otherhand is exceptionally difficult in a time where many of those assets are moving out every year to improve the main roster.
 
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The farther along we get with this franch8se, the more apparent it becomes that this isn't how it works.

Kailer Yamamoto's value didn't drop because we held onto him too long. It dropped because he grew to a player who earned a contract that exceeded his usefulness.

Philip Broberg even as a bottom pairing defenseman holds more value to Edmonton than he does as a trade chip today, which probably is something around a 2nd round pick.

Players like Kulak and Ceci (and Barrie) present an issue when trying to improve in a limited cap environment. Because it's easy for other teams to see the point when their contracts become an issue. It won't take much for their contracts to be viewed as negative value. Broberg is long, long way from that point.

Acquiring defensemen of that calibre comes at a considerably low cost. The 2nd that we paid for Kulak is at the very high end of what it takes. Replacing prospects on the otherhand is exceptionally difficult in a time where many of those assets are moving out every year to improve the main roster.
Holland said today he won't trade Broberg this summer, for what that's worth. A 21 year old bottom pairing defenceman is one thing. a 22 year old, verging on 23 year old bottom pairing defenceman next year..... good chance that guy's a bust. If Broberg doesn't have himself a dominant season on the bottom pair, he's not worth much of anything.
 

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Yammo's concussions took a toll on him and he hasn't been the same player. Some said it would take a pick to get rid of his contract and the future considerations means we will get something (probably nothing of value) back instead.

I liked Klim but he wasn't going to re-sign and we weren't going to qualify him so he was gone anyway.

Holland did well in this trade.
 

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Don’t like this trade at all for the Oilers, but the real loser of this deal are the people who spent $250 on a Kostin jersey
 
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Holland said today he won't trade Broberg this summer, for what that's worth. A 21 year old bottom pairing defenceman is one thing. a 22 year old, verging on 23 year old bottom pairing defenceman next year..... good chance that guy's a bust. If Broberg doesn't have himself a dominant season on the bottom pair, he's not worth much of anything.
His draft pedigree and physical traits will give him plenty of opportunity to find his footing. You're right though, it's time for him to take that next step. If he doesn't grab the spot this season, there might be a chance he's the guy in the trade for the upgrade.
 

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I dunno, seems like our coaches saw it. He was never used in shut down scenarios. He was very sheltered. There's nothing extreme about that.
As for this argument, we need to be careful.

Remember these were coaches that couldn’t recognize that they need to start a different goalie whose been improving and playing minutes in difficult situations in the playoffs, rescuing the rookie that’s been ridden hard and out away wet, because he’s too wedded to a single narrative.

Not saying you are wrong but I am saying that Woody and his group have proven themselves to be myopic at critical times. It could be that the same happened with Klim during the playoffs.

It wouldn't surprise me. It would be interesting to see the NHL's reaction if he eventually resigned with the Oilers at $850K !
It would be even more interesting to see what HFOils reaction is.
 
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