Confirmed with Link: [EDM/DET] Yamamoto and Kostin for Future Considerations

[Drivesaitl]

Browns numbers suggest that he is a legit top 6 player.
Brown (pre injury) played at a production level at 5x5 similar to Kanes production.
He typically played against the other teams elite players as well.

He plays the PK and the PP and is a very reliable/versatile player.
Paying Brown instead of Kostin is an absolute no brainer for a team that wants to win now.
Its a risk worth taking IMO.

We wouldn't be getting Brown pre injury. We'd be getting Brown off one of the worst knee injuries you can have, and relative to the sport of hockey. To miss an entire season this was some extensive knee damage.

Brown was injured in October and didn't even start trying to skate at all until March. For a pro athlete thats a massive recovery time. Sounds like complete ACL tear among other damage. Even with partial ACL tears I know how debilitating these are. Chances are he's never the same. Caps shopping him being further indication they are in the know.

Certainly in anycase paying a player and selectively obtaining a player that was out a complete season and hasn't played a game in forever is not a "no brainer" Connor Brown at this point would be a longshot I wouldn't want.

 

[McDoused]

Kostin had equal/better production to Foegele (2.7 million) and Yamamoto (3.1 million) ... yet he's the "bad guy" for asking for 1.7 million?

Yamamoto and Foegele got way more time with Draisaitl and McDavid too to be able to hit their point totals, Kostin is pretty much all bottom 6 time.

You realize how bad your logic is right? You're basically arguing that other players were handed bad contracts so this guy should also get a bad contract.

We just dumped Yamamoto because of his contract for nothing. Foegele might have to go as well because of his contract as well.

Kostin never scored 20 goals in this league. Hes never hit 30 points. He doesnt PK. He doesnt drive play.

If a player and his agent are dumb enough to use those as comparables and ignore the market then they are shooting themselves in the foot.

It's like when Florida got hosed by trading their 1st rounder for Ben Chiarot and then fans thought everyone could fetch a 1st. Just because someone makes a bad deal doesnt mean it sets the market. Look at all the other comparable players and they are making around 1M, especially those on competitive teams. Janmark and Ryan had better seasons than Kostin and set the standard here in Edmonton.

You cant overpay 4th liners. Heck go grab Reaves, Blueger, Hathaway, Watson or someone who is willing to take a little less to be on a good team.

 

[PBandJ]

Much love to Yams. Dude tried his damnedest, just doesn't have the finishing or the durability. Wishing him all the best.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Kostin shot 20% last year. If he shot 10% like he has his entire professional career, we wouldn't be talking about missing those 5 goals.

14 goals in reg and playoffs. A lot more if the player actually got correct usage and minutes. Even in the Yams spot Kostin fills the net. Even if a drop in shooting percentage more toi and better usage means more shots and the goals. Not like the only thing Kostin was bringing. Bigtime banger and fighter and hard to play against. We just got a lot softer as a club, again.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

14 goals in reg and playoffs. A lot more if the player actually got correct usage and minutes. Even in the Yams spot Kostin fills the net. Even if a drop in shooting percentage more toi and better usage means more shots and the goals. Not like the only thing Kostin was bringing. Bigtime banger and fighter and hard to play against. We just got a lot softer as a club, again.

You love your invented narratives.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

14 goals in reg and playoffs. A lot more if the player actually got correct usage and minutes. Even in the Yams spot Kostin fills the net. Even if a drop in shooting percentage more toi and better usage means more shots and the goals. Not like the only thing Kostin was bringing. Bigtime banger and fighter and hard to play against. We just got a lot softer as a club, again.

Signing guys coming off shooting heaters is always a risky bet.

Not that it mattered since he didn't want to sign here.

 

[McDoused]

As of this moment we "downgraded" from Kostin to Holloway while clearing 3.5M+ in cap.

I take that all day.

14 goals in reg and playoffs. A lot more if the player actually got correct usage and minutes. Even in the Yams spot Kostin fills the net. Even if a drop in shooting percentage more toi and better usage means more shots and the goals. Not like the only thing Kostin was bringing. Bigtime banger and fighter and hard to play against. We just got a lot softer as a club, again.

What makes you think he even wanted to sign here? Spector and Holland both came out and said he'd rather play in Russia if the Oilers didnt overpay.

Not sure who they thought they were negotiating with.

 

[KCC]

14 goals in reg and playoffs. A lot more if the player actually got correct usage and minutes. Even in the Yams spot Kostin fills the net. Even if a drop in shooting percentage more toi and better usage means more shots and the goals. Not like the only thing Kostin was bringing. Bigtime banger and fighter and hard to play against. We just got a lot softer as a club, again.

We will see what happens in Detroit if he's given a top 6 role and gets nightly minutes. He has all the tools. He's big, he's tough, great hands and he's only 24. IMO I do think he will become a solid player as time goes on. EDM trades for him, he is everything they need in a player and they give him away for nothing because Holland doesn't know how to manage a cap. lol. Fantastic. The way I look at it, if he wanted 1.7 mill or whatever it was, if he could have replaced Yammo that's a hell of a deal for a top 6 guy if he continues his growth. But a moot point now.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

As of this moment we "downgraded" from Kostin to Holloway while clearing 3.5M+ in cap.

I take that all day.



What makes you think he even wanted to sign here? Spector and Holland both came out and said he'd rather play in Russia if the Oilers didnt overpay.

Not sure who they thought they were negotiating with.

I wish it didn't take Holland so long to learn what negotiations are but hopefully he's finally learned.

 

[OddManRush]

In what world is a guy with the toughness, tools, and age of Kostin not worth a single asset in the NHL

 

[McDNicks17]

In what world is a guy with the toughness, tools, and age of Kostin not worth a single asset in the NHL

When he says he's going to Russia if you don't pay him double what he's worth.

And technically Yamo was probably negative value, so Kostin was worth something.

 

[McShogun99]

Kostin should have bet on himself and signed a 1 year deal here for around a million. He would have had a chance to play in spurts with McDrai and that could have boosted his numbers and next pay day. Instead he choose to be forgotten in Russia and it's current unstable situation. If he does sign with Detroit he will play bottom six and put up nowhere near the numbers he would have here. I think him and his agent made a horrible decision.

Yamo has been in a decline since the covid year and his size made him almost useless in the playoffs but I think he gets 20-20 next season if he stays healthy.

 

[McDoused]

In what world is a guy with the toughness, tools, and age of Kostin not worth a single asset in the NHL

Have you not been paying attention? We are in the cap world where good players are given away for free.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Foegele and Yams are overpays largely on what they bring. Which isn't much and sure isn't regular. Kostin properly used would be worth 2M. But may be had for less than that.

Imagine people being perturbed that one of the most popular players among fans is just jettisoned for nothing but getting rid of the "honey badger" contract of the worst player on the 2023 Oilers.

This is worse than Maroon and Glencross. Or in the ballpark. Some players no team should let go. You need these players in a lineup.

Any 4th liner who wants to willingly play in Russia over a Cup Window Oilers can f*** off as far as I’m concerned.

 

[Roof Daddy]

We wouldn't be getting Brown pre injury. We'd be getting Brown off one of the worst knee injuries you can have, and relative to the sport of hockey. To miss an entire season this was some extensive knee damage.

Brown was injured in October and didn't even start trying to skate at all until March. For a pro athlete thats a massive recovery time. Sounds like complete ACL tear among other damage. Even with partial ACL tears I know how debilitating these are. Chances are he's never the same. Caps shopping him being further indication they are in the know.

Certainly in anycase paying a player and selectively obtaining a player that was out a complete season and hasn't played a game in forever is not a "no brainer" Connor Brown at this point would be a longshot I wouldn't want.

Is it really that big a risk when his contract will be structured around bonuses for games played? I think his base will likely be in the 1-1.5 range, with all bonuses totalling 1.5-2. If he hits the threshold to cash in on all those bonuses, you’re very happy. If you’re correct and his play is compromised as a result of his injury, then he’s probably waived and it’s just chalked up to a swing and a miss.

The one thing that is guaranteed, so long as he’s in the lineup he’ll be giving you all the same qualities Hyman brings…. But to your point, it may look like Hyman the final month of the season (where he was clearly nursing an injury).

I still take that player over Kostin or Yammi.

 

[guymez]

We wouldn't be getting Brown pre injury. We'd be getting Brown off one of the worst knee injuries you can have, and relative to the sport of hockey. To miss an entire season this was some extensive knee damage.

Brown was injured in October and didn't even start trying to skate at all until March. For a pro athlete thats a massive recovery time. Sounds like complete ACL tear among other damage. Even with partial ACL tears I know how debilitating these are. Chances are he's never the same. Caps shopping him being further indication they are in the know.

Brown is a UFA so the Capitals have little to no leverage on the player. How can they 'shop' a player with 2 days left on his contract?

Regarding the ACL tear...with all due respect you are not in a position to make a definitive statement of his injury.

My understanding is that its a minimum of 6-8 months of rehab time to increase the chances of a complete recovery. Apparently the vast majority of re-injuries happen because the athlete did not put in the necessary time to properly rehab the injury. They came back too soon.
Brown has had the 6-8 month time frame and more if he needs it. There was no need to push things and come back early when his season was done.

As I said...if I am Holland I absolutely take the risk in signing a legit top 6 player like Brown to a short term incentive heavy contract.

 

[McDoused]

Kostin should have bet on himself and signed a 1 year deal here for around a million. He would have had a chance to play in spurts with McDrai and that could have boosted his numbers and next pay day. Instead he choose to be forgotten in Russia and it's current unstable situation. If he does sign with Detroit he will play bottom six and put up nowhere near the numbers he would have here. I think him and his agent made a horrible decision.

Yamo has been in a decline since the covid year and his size made him almost useless in the playoffs but I think he gets 20-20 next season if he stays healthy.

They absolutely overplayed their hand.

I'm really surprised Kostin prioritized money over fit. He seemed to really like it here but at the end of the day you cant force players to sign here. Holland gave him and offer and he didnt want to sign it.

Reminds me when AA was given an offer and chose to test free agency only to make less money. Although I guess it all worked out for him in the end because hes making a lot of money on one of the worst teams in the league.

We want guys that prioritize winning.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Any 4th liner who wants to willingly play in Russia over a Cup Window Oilers can f*** off as far as I’m concerned.

Thats fair, but we don't know all the details or if Kostin was told by the coaching staff to look at other options. judging from his usage, and especially late season in playoffs it seems clear coaches were looking off the play. All the stranger in that he was one of the leading playoff scorers for the club while hardly getting minutes.

Kostin could have recognized, and wouldn't be wrong, that he was somehow considered chopped shit by the coaching staff. you know what I think of the coaching staff.

Anyway, thanks for the response.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Better than buying Yamamoto out, not gonna complain about it

This. There's a whole lot of "bent over" talk for a guy the entire fanbase wanted to fire into the moon all season and a guy who apparently priced himself out of the lineup.

 

[McDoused]

Brown is a UFA so the Capitals have little to no leverage on the player. How can they 'shop' a player with 2 days left on his contract?

Regarding the ACL tear...with all due respect you are not in a position to make a definitive statement of his injury.

My understanding is that its a minimum of 6-8 months of rehab time to increase the chances of a complete recovery. Apparently the vast majority of re-injuries happen because the athlete did not put in the necessary time to properly rehab the injury. They came back too soon.
Brown has had the 6-8 month time frame and more if he needs it. There was no need to push things and come back early when his season was done.

As I said...if I am Holland I absolutely take the risk in signing a legit top 6 player like Brown to a short term incentive heavy contract.

I'd give Washington a 7th round pick to get browns rights and sign him to that bonus heavy contract.

 

[Drivesaitl]

As of this moment we "downgraded" from Kostin to Holloway while clearing 3.5M+ in cap.

I take that all day.



What makes you think he even wanted to sign here? Spector and Holland both came out and said he'd rather play in Russia if the Oilers didnt overpay.

Not sure who they thought they were negotiating with.

You mean other than Kostin being the most thrilled to be here player on the ice almost any home game the duration of the time he was here? I've rarely seena player that was brought in communicate so much joy about being here during, before, and after games. BAsically any time seen. Something here doesn't add up and there had to be frustration with the abject lack of usage. The player wanted to play. The coaching staff for reasons unknown had other ideas.

My take is something soured at some point in playoffs. I can understand that from a player pov Kostin could be upset if he was. Heres a gamer, on a scoring tear, and he's not even seeing the ice. I'd be wondering too.

Only 3 Oilers forwards scored more goals than Kostin in playoffs and on an EV minute played basis kostin scored as much as anybody.

Kostin scoring this season prorated to around 17 goals. With any added toi at all hes' a 20something goal scorer on a full season. Kostin was also scratched games, again fro reasons unknown.

 

[guymez]

I'd give Washington a 7th round pick to get browns rights and sign him to that bonus heavy contract.

I would too.
I really like the player and being that he had ample time to recover from his injury I think that there is a very good chance the Oilers get a high quality player for nothing.
Creating room for Brown by not overpaying a limited player like Kostin is an easy choice to make IMO.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Teams were paying picks to dump players.

It was more that he was seeking too much money for a 4th line player that can't play special teams.

This is important to remember as well. Kostin didn't kill penalties. Our coaching staff likes bottom sixers who kill penalties. Given how our pk was for most of the year, I'm fine with Kostin going if the guy/guys we bring in to replace the guys we are losing from the bottom six are guys who can play special teams. If the Connor Brown rumours are true and his injury didn't destroy his mobility, maybe he will help that area.

I am concerned that we're likely looking at two rookies in the lineup (I'm still counting Holloway here). That's not what a team looking to push for a cup does. Although we can always get some depth at the deadline I suppose.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Brown is a UFA so the Capitals have little to no leverage on the player. How can they 'shop' a player with 2 days left on his contract?

Regarding the ACL tear...with all due respect you are not in a position to make a definitive statement of his injury.

My understanding is that its a minimum of 6-8 months of rehab time to increase the chances of a complete recovery. Apparently the vast majority of re-injuries happen because the athlete did not put in the necessary time to properly rehab the injury. They came back too soon.
Brown has had the 6-8 month time frame and more if he needs it. There was no need to push things and come back early when his season was done.

As I said...if I am Holland I absolutely take the risk in signing a legit top 6 player like Brown to a short term incentive heavy contract.

Thanks for the time and reply. Just disappointed that we lost my favorite forward acquisition since Pat Maroon. I Loved Klim Kostin here. Was such a constant joy to see him on and off the ice. I'll probably take some time to look at it different ways. We'll see what the Dollar amount pans out to be in Detroit or elsehere. But again I loved this guy. So many sad moments being an Edmonton sports fan in recent decades.

 

[Louis Cypher]

I don't get this at all. Did I miss something about Kostin? He was starting to look like are old Pat Maroon. Was he asking the moon or something?

Yammo alone should have been for futures. This totally sucks.