Confirmed with Link: [EDM/DET] Yamamoto and Kostin for Future Considerations

[McDNicks17]

Detroit can feel free to sign him for over $2M if that report is true.

He's all yours.

 

[Soundwave]

Loved his gumption and scored some timely goals but I wont lose sleep over a 4th line player who showed flashes but is replaceable at half the price. Especially one who was using playing in Mordor as his negotiating ploy.

Anyone wasting too much digital ink on this guy is also wasting too much of their time.

"Easily replacable" ... lol which scouting department do you think the Oilers have exactly? Vegas'? They don't.

Kostin was the best buy low move the Oilers had made since getting Pat Maroon in 2016.

It could be several years until they make another find that good. We don't find players like that often at all.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

"Easily replacable" ... lol which scouting department do you think the Oilers have exactly? Vegas'? They don't.

Kostin was the best buy low move the Oilers had made since getting Pat Maroon in 2016.

It could be several years until they make another find that good.

"Buy low" is not $1.7 - $2M for a 4th liner who was playing less than 5 minutes per night in the most critical time of year.

Sorry but you're over-valuing the player a great deal.

Plus anyone using Mordor as a negotiating tool can f*** right off.

 

[Frank the Tank]

The Oilers have to be ruthless with players like Vegas does in the pursuit of winning... No, not like that...

 

[Soundwave]

"Buy low" is not $1.7 - $2M for a 4th liner who was playing less than 5 minutes per night in the most critical time of year.

Sorry but you're over-valuing the player a great deal.

Plus anyone using Mordor as a negotiating tool can f*** right off.

I don't see Kostin as the "bad guy", $1.7 would be entirely reasonable for him especially if it was a 2 year deal.

Nurse and Campbell's ridiculous contracts and overpay on Foegele and Yamamoto are the reasons why we're in this situation, and ultimately Holland is responsible for all that.

Our "depth" is sitting in their bank accounts instead being paid money that they're not worth quite frankly.

Nurse is a 6.85 million D, Campbell is a $3.2 million goalie, Foegele is a 1.7 million player, ditto for Yamamoto, all these guys are grossly overpaid.

 

[Drivesaitl]

If the bolded is true then Holland absolutely made the right decision. I would even say that $1.5M was too high for what he brought.
I would much rather see that money go to Conner Brown.

The question begs to be asked what answers does a Connor Brown serve here? Another smallish player, declining even, and coming off a season long serious ACL injury. Why would we specifically be targeting this player who has just missed a complete full season?

 

[Soundwave]

The question begs to be asked what answers does a Connor Brown serve here? Another smallish player, declining even, and coming off a season long serious ACL injury. Why would we specifically be targeting this player who has just missed a complete full season?

6'0 isn't small, but the other points are valid. Not even sure if he's better than Kostin to be honest if you factor in the ACL injury. Kostin could score 20+ goals too if you stapled him to Draisaitl or McDavid.

 

[nturn06]

Sounds like a coaching issue, lot of these guys don't want to sit on the bench most of the game. It was a little weird that he could get so little traction with Woody though. I suspect he practices poorly considering he barely got a sniff in St.Louis, and even when he looked good in games with Edmonton, struggled to get out of the sub-10 minute crowd.

He also had that tendency to throw out high risk blind passes off the wall in the defensive and neutral zone, probably drove the coaching staff up the wall.

It is either a coaching issue, or our fans overvalue him. Could be both.

Also, the reality is that the Wings have much less offensive talent than us, he simply gets a better chance at ice time because they are not too good.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

I don't see Kostin as the "bad guy", $1.7 would be entirely reasonable for him especially if it was a 2 year deal.

Nurse and Campbell's ridiculous contracts and overpay on Foegele and Yamamoto are the reasons why we're in this situation, and ultimately Holland is responsible for all that.

Our "depth" is sitting in their bank accounts instead being paid money that they're not worth quite frankly.

Nurse is a 6.85 million D, Campbell is a $3.4 million goalie, Foegele is a 1.7 million player, ditto for Yamamoto, all these guys are grossly overpaid.

If your bitching about overpaying Foegele and Yamo but want to overpay Kostin then there is no discussion to be had.

You have your viewpoint and I have mine.

Kostin can go to hell.

The Oilers have to be ruthless with players like Vegas does in the pursuit of winning... No, not like that...

No kidding.

BE RUTHLESS.

But not with that guy...

 

[McDoused]

If Janmark signs for 1M and Ryan is 900k, then Kostin shouldnt be asking for anything more than 1.1M.

 

[Drivesaitl]

"Buy low" is not $1.7 - $2M for a 4th liner who was playing less than 5 minutes per night in the most critical time of year.

Sorry but you're over-valuing the player a great deal.

Plus anyone using Mordor as a negotiating tool can f*** right off.

The thing is Kostin is a talent with a very good shot that was buried on yet another team. Given half a chance he scores goals. 11/57 games in regular season and a pretty amazing 3 goals in playoffs considering his limited minutes. Any usage at all and this was looking like a 20 goal scorer here that could punch donkeys and do anything asked. We paid a complete punter like Yama considerably more and with term.

Kostins EV G/minute played in regular seaosn and playoffs is among best on team. Some team that figures it out will benefit.

That said Kostin got bad advice with the negotiating ploy and NHL is still a small shop. Kostin could be considered toxic now for some clubs.

 

[Oilhawks]

Kostin was one of my favourite players last year. That being said, signing him to an over-inflated contract on a crazy high shooting % is just asking him to be the next (bad) Kassian. If he had better defensive and PK ability, he'd be worth it.

 

[FlameChampion]

If the bolded is true then Holland absolutely made the right decision. I would even say that $1.5M was too high for what he brought.
I would much rather see that money go to Conner Brown.

Detroit probably wont sign him either. Will probably be a UFA and then he will sign with TB/WSH for 1.25m

 

[Soundwave]

If your bitching about overpaying Foegele and Yamo but want to overpay Kostin then there is no discussion to be had.

You have your viewpoint and I have mine.

Kostin can go to hell.

Kostin had equal/better production to Foegele (2.7 million) and Yamamoto (3.1 million) ... yet he's the "bad guy" for asking for 1.7 million?

Yamamoto and Foegele got way more time with Draisaitl and McDavid too to be able to hit their point totals, Kostin is pretty much all bottom 6 time.

 

[nturn06]

I agree that cap is precious. That’s why we should have traded away Foegels 2.75 mil and took a savings on Klim. Everyone saying we couldn’t afford him at 1.5-2 mill…That would have been a million dollar savings if they kept the right guy.

I am not convinced he is a better fit than Foegle. That being said, I would not be surprised is Foegle goes and is replaced by a 750k guy, that would be better than paying KK 2 mils. Especially now when the Oilers can accrue salary.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Kostin had equal/better production to Foegele (2.7 million) and Yamamoto (3.1 million) ... yet he's the "bad guy" for asking for 1.7 million?

Yamamoto and Foegele got way more time with Draisaitl and McDavid too to be able to hit their point totals, Kostin is pretty much all bottom 6 time.

Whatever. He is gone now. Good riddance. Enjoy Omsk or whatever Russian shithole you want to call home.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Kostin had equal/better production to Foegele (2.7 million) and Yamamoto (3.1 million) ... yet he's the "bad guy" for asking for 1.7 million?

Yamamoto and Foegele got way more time with Draisaitl and McDavid too to be able to hit their point totals, Kostin is pretty much all bottom 6 time.

He was close to signing in Russia. He didn't want to be here unless we overpaid him.

The Oilers need to be more cutthroat. You sign here for what we want or see you later.

 

[nturn06]

Kostin had equal/better production to Foegele (2.7 million) and Yamamoto (3.1 million) ... yet he's the "bad guy" for asking for 1.7 million?

Yamamoto and Foegele got way more time with Draisaitl and McDavid too to be able to hit their point totals, Kostin is pretty much all bottom 6 time.

"Look at these bad contracts, he is as good as them" is not an argument which can convince me he is worth keeping.

 

[Soundwave]

If Janmark signs for 1M and Ryan is 900k, then Kostin shouldnt be asking for anything more than 1.1M.

Then how is Foegele getting 2.7 million?

You got 4 guys on this team earning way more than they're worth (Nurse, Foegele, Yamamoto, Campbell) and as a result guys like Kostin, McLeod, are supposed to take less.

Maybe a vet like Ryan is willing to do that because he has a settled family here and has a few million in the bank account already, but you can't expect everyone to do that.

We're basically expecting a bunch of players to take less so that Nurse/Campbell/Foegele can suck up a bunch of cap room they're not earning.

 

[Drivesaitl]

6'0 isn't small, but the other points are valid. Not even sure if he's better than Kostin to be honest if you factor in the ACL injury. Kostin could score 20+ goals too if you stapled him to Draisaitl or McDavid.

If your bitching about overpaying Foegele and Yamo but want to overpay Kostin then there is no discussion to be had.

You have your viewpoint and I have mine.

Kostin can go to hell.



No kidding.

BE RUTHLESS.

But not with that guy...

Foegele and Yams are overpays largely on what they bring. Which isn't much and sure isn't regular. Kostin properly used would be worth 2M. But may be had for less than that.

Imagine people being perturbed that one of the most popular players among fans is just jettisoned for nothing but getting rid of the "honey badger" contract of the worst player on the 2023 Oilers.

This is worse than Maroon and Glencross. Or in the ballpark. Some players no team should let go. You need these players in a lineup.

 

[guymez]

The question begs to be asked what answers does a Connor Brown serve here? Another smallish player, declining even, and coming off a season long serious ACL injury. Why would we specifically be targeting this player who has just missed a complete full season?

Browns numbers suggest that he is a legit top 6 player.
Brown (pre injury) played at a production level at 5x5 similar to Kanes production.
He typically played against the other teams elite players as well.

He plays the PK and the PP and is a very reliable/versatile player.
Paying Brown instead of Kostin is an absolute no brainer for a team that wants to win now.
Its a risk worth taking IMO.

 

[trick91]

Our left wing situation at the moment: Kane, RNH, Foegle, and possible Holloway and Janmark.

Where was Kostin going to play? If he was a right shot, I bet he would have been signed.

 

[McDNicks17]

Kostin had equal/better production to Foegele (2.7 million) and Yamamoto (3.1 million) ... yet he's the "bad guy" for asking for 1.7 million?

Yamamoto and Foegele got way more time with Draisaitl and McDavid too to be able to hit their point totals, Kostin is pretty much all bottom 6 time.

Kostin shot 20% last year. If he shot 10% like he has his entire professional career, we wouldn't be talking about missing those 5 goals.

 

[guymez]

Detroit probably wont sign him either. Will probably be a UFA and then he will sign with TB/WSH for 1.25m

I think (not entirely sure) that all Detroit has to do to retain his rights is to qualify him.
That doesnt guarantee that he wont go to Russia though.

Perhaps someone can confrim.

 

[FlameChampion]

I think (not entirely sure) that all Detroit has to do to retain his rights is to qualify him.
That doesnt guarantee that he wont go to Russia though.

Perhaps someone can confrim.

You're right if Yzerman qualifies him.