Confirmed with Link: [EDM/DET] Yamamoto and Kostin for Future Considerations

[oobga]

Klim was a 1-2 month run with McDavid or Drai (because of injury or maybe he just plays well) away from a massive payday if he signed 1 year cheap. Overplayed his hand IMO. Clearly Holland had zero patience for the angles his agent was trying to play with running off to Russia. Good luck to him in detroit, or the KHL I guess.

Liked Yams, but his progress was just looking too rough with all the injuries and concussion issues. Get that we couldn't keep giving the little cap space we have to him. Hopefully Brown is cheap, or a youngin can step up like Holloway.

 

[Ibanez]

This trade should serve as a Stark reminder just how bad we are in cap hell. We had to give 2 players away

I don’t know how it’s calculated so I’m not going to pretend to be in the know. However I really hope we see cap movement next year. The lack of any real increase in 3 years is overall feeling like it’s crippling the league.

 

[brentashton]

At least we can settle the debate.

Pulju returned more in a trade therefore he was better all along.

I need to go to emergency. I’m laughing in stitches.

 

[McShogun99]

Don’t like this trade at all for the Oilers, but the real loser of this deal are the people who spent $250 on a Kostin jersey

I thought Kostin would be an Oiler for at least a few more years but he got greedy.

Stauffer suggesting Detroit is buying out Yams?

It doesn't make sense since Edmonton didn't add a sweetener. Unless Kostin was the sweetener.

 

[Bank Shot]

Yamamoto yes... we knew that was coming. But Kostin...for nothing? I really liked his game and thought with proper use had a tremendous upside. Played like a cheap version of Kane... and as we all know we need grit. Let's see how they'll plug that hole......

Why do you think Kostin has tremendous upside?

He played 200+ games in the AHL and averaged 36 points over an 82 game season there.

 

[MoontoScott]

I don’t know how it’s calculated so I’m not going to pretend to be in the know. However I really hope we see cap movement next year. The lack of any real increase in 3 years is overall feeling like it’s crippling the league.

No matter how much you increase the cap I guarantee you the GMs will spend it. Cap space will IMHO remain a problem for decades.

 

[bellagiobob]

 

[Frank the Tank]

Last year numerous people were upset that the Oilers spent $6M on Puljujarvi and Yamamoto, who both didn't pull out of their career tail spins. It was mentioned frequently that the smarter play would have been to spend that money on value UFAs (e.g., Strome, Domi, Steel).

Their money has been shed this off-season (without having to add a significant sweetener) as the league enters another flat cap summer. Now Holland will have to pursue numerous value UFAs to fill holes in the Oilers line-up created by the loss of Puljujarvi, Yamamoto, and Kostin.

 

[The Panther]

I was quite surprised when Holland signed both Yamamoto and Puljujarvi to multi-year deals. I know what he was thinking / hoping for, but I think the smarter thing then would be to have picked only one of them and traded the other (each had higher value then than now).

Anyway, I'm sorry to see Klim Kostin go. I really like the player.

What I feel is, if the club was in a different period of development (earlier or later than the seeming Cup-window they're in now), they'd maybe choose to develop Kostin and part ways with Evander Kane, who is Kostin's more talented (but much older) counterpart.

But since the club is in "win-now!" mentality, they want to sign the veteran guys who Holland knows will produce. Kostin, who is a very inconsistent player, is more of a gamble.

We just have to hope this won't turn out to be another Adam-Graves-in-1991 where Kostin goes on to become an elite power-forward with 35-to-50-goal seasons in front of him. (Please God, don't let that happen again...!)

Have to say, though... I think Kostin got some bad advice. His career was going nowhere when the Oilers acquired him, and he had a good run here. He scored well, considering how little ice-time he got. He filled several important roles on the club, and he was a clear fan-favorite. At this time, he's probably not worth what he was asking (whatever it was).

Loved Yamamoto on-and-off (never more than early 2020!), but I understand why they're frustrated. Far too inconsistent, and --- just like Puljujarvi --- an utter lack of a scoring touch.

Anyway, two 24-year-old forwards suddenly gone. This is getting to be an older club, which Holland likes.

Now, they just have to win the Cup!

 

[Oilers333]

lol this place is as bad as twitter sometimes.

Fans- "Omg that Yamo contract was terrible now were going to have to attach picks to offload the cap space"

Ken Holland- Gets a team to take Yamos contact for nothing by attaching a 4th liner who wasn't resigning here anyways.

Those Same Fans- "Omg I cant believe we didn't get value for Yamo and had to attach a player who we werent qualifying and was going to be too expensive for us anyways"

"Man Ken Holland is so bad at his job even though before him we were a garbage organization with two great players and now with Holland we are cup contenders. Wow he is terrible wah wah wah"

 

[MessierII]

Short leash doesn't connote to no leash, and if it does none of those youngers are developing and getting the toi to do that here. In this same thread where all of Broberg, Kostin, Holloway etc were being continually parked, scratched, not played people are suggesting the answer is lavoie? What I'm suspecting is a coach that doesn't like younger players pure and simple. Which is a far cry in a short time from somebody that was coaching in the AHL. Its inexplicable, but hard not to see that young players aren't consistently getting chances here.

I agree he deserved more of a shot but at the end of the day this was still the most opportunity and most personal success he’s had in the NHL. He’s choosing to walk away from it for a few hundred grand. It’s bad advice from his agent but it’s disappointing on his part as well.

 

[I am the Liquor]

If the goal is to make the team worse, this is a smashing success.

 

[Yuke]

Short leash doesn't connote to no leash, and if it does none of those youngers are developing and getting the toi to do that here. In this same thread where all of Broberg, Kostin, Holloway etc were being continually parked, scratched, not played people are suggesting the answer is lavoie? What I'm suspecting is a coach that doesn't like younger players pure and simple. Which is a far cry in a short time from somebody that was coaching in the AHL. Its inexplicable, but hard not to see that young players aren't consistently getting chances here.

LOL. Coach doesn't give young players chances, yet many complained Woody counted on his rookie goaltender too much in the playoffs.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Buy 1 regular sized player get the second 1/2 off.

This was Detroit taking on Kostin with a requirement to pick up Yamamoto. Good time to be a value shopper with any cap space. Yzerman gets a nice bottom six player with size, skating and bite who is finally putting his game together. He can either execute a cheap buy-out on Yamamoto or ride this player to see if his game comes back - sell-off at the deadline or even re-sign cheaply reset as a third line energy player.

In Covid cap era we've seen a trend in cheap, replacement fringe roster players who cycle around on small money and term deals. Hate to lose Kostin but we'll see if the Oil are indeed a destination for players.

 

[midnightcopper]

His three of a kind beat my pair...I've got a Kailer and Ethan Bear. Wait...I've got a Gretzky from the 80's. That trumps his Kostin. Unfortunately three favorites that left.

 

[Broberg Speed]

I was quite surprised when Holland signed both Yamamoto and Puljujarvi to multi-year deals. I know what he was thinking / hoping for, but I think the smarter thing then would be to have picked only one of them and traded the other (each had higher value then than now).

Anyway, I'm sorry to see Klim Kostin go. I really like the player.

What I feel is, if the club was in a different period of development (earlier or later than the seeming Cup-window they're in now), they'd maybe choose to develop Kostin and part ways with Evander Kane, who is Kostin's more talented (but much older) counterpart.

But since the club is in "win-now!" mentality, they want to sign the veteran guys who Holland knows will produce. Kostin, who is a very inconsistent player, is more of a gamble.

We just have to hope this won't turn out to be another Adam-Graves-in-1991 where Kostin goes on to become an elite power-forward with 35-to-50-goal seasons in front of him. (Please God, don't let that happen again...!)

Have to say, though... I think Kostin got some bad advice. His career was going nowhere when the Oilers acquired him, and he had a good run here. He scored well, considering how little ice-time he got. He filled several important roles on the club, and he was a clear fan-favorite. At this time, he's probably not worth what he was asking (whatever it was).

Loved Yamamoto on-and-off (never more than early 2020!), but I understand why they're frustrated. Far too inconsistent, and --- just like Puljujarvi --- an utter lack of a scoring touch.

Anyway, two 24-year-old forwards suddenly gone. This is getting to be an older club, which Holland likes.

Now, they just have to win the Cup!

Puljujarvi was signed to a one year deal.

 

[ManofSteel55]

If the goal is to make the team worse, this is a smashing success.

That depends on how he spends the cap space

 

[iCanada]

It wouldn't surprise me. It would be interesting to see the NHL's reaction if he eventually resigned with the Oilers at $850K !

If Holland pulls that off I'd tip my hat honestly.

That's creativity to gain cap.

 

[iCanada]

lol this place is as bad as twitter sometimes.

Fans- "Omg that Yamo contract was terrible now were going to have to attach picks to offload the cap space"

Ken Holland- Gets a team to take Yamos contact for nothing by attaching a 4th liner who wasn't resigning here anyways.

Those Same Fans- "Omg I cant believe we didn't get value for Yamo and had to attach a player who we werent qualifying and was going to be too expensive for us anyways"

"Man Ken Holland is so bad at his job even though before him we were a garbage organization with two great players and now with Holland we are cup contenders. Wow he is terrible wah wah wah"

Ultimately fans are upset about losing a fan favorite in Kostin.

Idk I think the deal makes sense, it's just hard to process that emotion. All of us really liked Kostin.

 

[Oilers333]

Ultimately fans are upset about losing a fan favorite in Kostin.

Idk I think the deal makes sense, it's just hard to process that emotion. All of us really liked Kostin.

Yah I get it. I liked Kostin too. But the facts are right there in front of all of us.

They weren't qualifying him because of the worry that the Arb would award him too much money.

He was using his offer from the KHL as leverage and they weren't close in negotiations. He wanted more money that we don't have. So we used him as a sweetener to offload Yamo without having to include picks.

The way people react is just so crazy and overboard sometimes it really makes them look like they have no clue at all how salary cap and negotiations work. Its wild.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

It wouldn't surprise me. It would be interesting to see the NHL's reaction if he eventually resigned with the Oilers at $850K !

I think we can sign better fits to be honest.

He's too small for the bottom 6 and didn't work well enough in our top 6. He can go get bigger minutes and opportunity on a worse team

 

[I am the Liquor]

Yah I get it. I liked Kostin too. But the facts are right there in front of all of us.

They weren't qualifying him because of the worry that the Arb would award him too much money.

He was using his offer from the KHL as leverage and they weren't close in negotiations. He wanted more money that we don't have. So we used him as a sweetener to offload Yamo without having to include picks.

The way people react is just so crazy and overboard sometimes it really makes them look like they have no clue at all how salary cap and negotiations work. Its wild.

Nice story….you have no idea what is going on…regurgitating the party line is hardly facts…

 

[I am the Liquor]

I think we can sign better fits to be honest.

He's too small for the bottom 6 and didn't work well enough in our top 6. He can go get bigger minutes and opportunity on a worse team

Agreed…it stings a bit to lose Kostin…Yamamoto wasn’t going to move the needle. Honestly this team needs to upgrade the backend and the goaltending….it’s a tired old story, I’m not optimistic

 

[tiger_80]

Losing Kostin for nothing just doesn't make much sense to me. I don't understand what management is seeing that we don't.

Would it be better if they signed him for 3 million for 4 years, or something. Clearly they were not comfortable paying him what his camp was asking. He may well become a top 6 forward one day or he could be out of the NHL next season.

Hopefully that allows them to re-sign Janmark.

 

[Whyme]

Would it be better if they signed him for 3 million for 4 years, or something. Clearly they were not comfortable paying him what his camp was asking. He may well become a top 6 forward one day or he could be out of the NHL next season.

Hopefully that allows them to re-sign Janmark.

Well we have no factual reason to believe Kostin was asking for that. If we go that way we could use it after each bad trade. Like Bouchard is traded for a 2nd rounder and we say would it be better we'd signed him for 15 million for 3 years and so on