Confirmed with Link: [EDM/CAR] Jesse Puljujarvi for Patrik Puistola

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It seems, on a fundamental level, you don't understand how the cap system works.
No, I do. Read @oobga comment. Fundamentally getting capspace is a pyrrhic victory of the slightest kind which only addresses an issue in the first place because a veteran GM has somehow managed to paint himself into a cap corner.

Maybe you don't understand how Pro team asset management works. Which is understandable perhaps being a fan of this org who are kind of terrible at it.
 
I don't think Jesse will do much in Carolina, he will probably will create for the 1st while being relieved he has been traded but will revert back to what he is a soft shot big body that is a poor puck handler
 
One player has his contract expiring at the end of the season, the other doesn’t. He needed cap, he took the deal he saw and the guy who played far less minutes than the other. Doesn’t matter if you think the coach is dumb or not. Any GM moves the player playing less.


Again, if he is so good, some other team would have offered morels amazing the obsession this fan base has for nothing players but shit on our actual good ones.

Jesse was in a spot where only a team that values analytics to an extreme would show real interest. Carolina has put out the feelers for years from the sound of it, and everyone knows you never have to pay Holland close to full value for anything. They've had bigger fish to fry, but I don't doubt they kept prodding to make sure they were top of the list when Holland was finally ready to sell the bottom, like he usually does with everything (also elite at buying tops).

Sounds like NJ was interested, but they landed a much bigger analytics god in Meier. For sure Jesse was a hard move too with the cap hit, plus we put zero effort in showcasing him. This is really just a full on bottom sell as we're desperate to make a splash. Hope we actually get one or it's extra sad.
 
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I mean this is just not true. First season (19-20) he was around 1 ppg every month. 20-21 he struggled, but was only terrible in May, otherwise paced pretty consistently. Last year, bad January and February, otherwise 0.5 a game and then red hot in March.

This year's been tough, but if sticks around he'll hopefully have 20 games to turn it around a bit. The fact that he's getting a ton of chances makes me think another hot streak is possible. He's been way better than you're willing to admit.
This season Yams has had 1mth that were around .5ppg 4 where his production is next to non existent.

Last season Yama was stone cold for almost all of October, November, December. He got 2G 3A in last 3 games of the month in Dec 2021 that muddy the stats. But Yama as recently as last season had only 6pts in first 28 games of the season while playing mostly topsix. This season he hasn't been anything. 2020-21 Yams was awful. One really has to go back to 19-20 to see potential upside.
 
This season Yams has had 1mth that were around .5ppg 4 where his production is next to non existent.

Last season Yama was stone cold for almost all of October, November, December. He got 2G 3A in last 3 games of the month in Dec 2021 that muddy the stats. But Yama as recently as last season had only 6pts in first 28 games of the season while playing mostly topsix. This season he hasn't been anything. 2020-21 Yams was awful. One really has to go back to 19-20 to see potential upside.
They both suck
 
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No, I do. Read @oobga comment. Fundamentally getting capspace is a pyrrhic victory of the slightest kind which only addresses an issue in the first place because a veteran GM has somehow managed to paint himself into a cap corner.

Maybe you don't understand how Pro team asset management works. Which is understandable perhaps being a fan of this org who are kind of terrible at it.
:facepalm: You want to use Puljujarvi to litigate Holland's failures as GM because you're angry because "Yamo short"

Yeah, that's dumb. None of that is new or helpful or anything other than tedious.

The Edmonton Oilers getting $3M of cap space on February 28th, 2023 "Should" be a Boon, because they can add to an area of need. If that doesn't happen, there are larger problems, than Jesse leaving town or Yamo Short.

They both suck
Also this.
 
This season Yams has had 1mth that were around .5ppg 4 where his production is next to non existent.

Last season Yama was stone cold for almost all of October, November, December. He got 2G 3A in last 3 games of the month in Dec 2021 that muddy the stats. But Yama as recently as last season had only 6pts in first 28 games of the season while playing mostly topsix. This season he hasn't been anything. 2020-21 Yams was awful. One really has to go back to 19-20 to see potential upside.
You’d think with all your posts that the two players wouldn’t have the same number of points while one has played 20 fewer games oh and is also a plus player combined to the other guys team worst minus.

They’re both junk. Yamamoto just happens to be slightly better junk while also having a more difficult to move contract.
 
This season Yams has had 1mth that were around .5ppg 4 where his production is next to non existent.

Last season Yama was stone cold for almost all of October, November, December. He got 2G 3A in last 3 games of the month in Dec 2021 that muddy the stats. But Yama as recently as last season had only 6pts in first 28 games of the season while playing mostly topsix. This season he hasn't been anything. 2020-21 Yams was awful. One really has to go back to 19-20 to see potential upside.
I don't understand how you can say you have to go back to 19-20 to see upside, but then last season he had 25 points in 39 games after the allstar break with 12 goals. Those are solid numbers.

Especially since we're talking about him within the context of comparing him to Puljujarvi, who has 11 goals in his last 100 games, compared to Yamamoto's 20. In the last 82 Yamo has literally doubled Puljujarvi's production, even with the awful season he's having this year.

I agree that it's probably best to move on from both of them, especially considering the team's current cap structure.
 
You’d think with all your posts that the two players wouldn’t have the same number of points while one has played 20 fewer games oh and is also a plus player combined to the other guys team worst minus.

They’re both junk. Yamamoto just happens to be slightly better junk while also having a more difficult to move contract.
You'd think one player was constantly playing in topsix with the best players in the world and getting appreciable minutes and the other parked in bottomsix and getting limited minutes because the head coach doesn't have a clue.

I don't see either how Yama's increasing amount of instances where he can't even play or be dressed is some kind of benefit. I'll take the guy that can play every night and bang every night. Not the one who is near having his career ended by concussions that we are stuck with. thanks.
 
I don't understand how you can say you have to go back to 19-20 to see upside, but then last season he had 25 points in 39 games after the allstar break with 12 goals. Those are solid numbers.

Especially since we're talking about him within the context of comparing him to Puljujarvi, who has 11 goals in his last 100 games, compared to Yamamoto's 20. In the last 82 Yamo has literally doubled Puljujarvi's production, even with the awful season he's having this year.

I agree that it's probably best to move on from both of them, especially considering the team's current cap structure.
Last season in entirely was 40pts playing with the best players in the world. With much of last season, the first 28games, the player being a footnote. Just saying every season Yama has long spells where he can't be relied on either. But one was for some reason signed for a two year extention that is a contract that is untradeable.
 
You'd think one player was constantly playing in topsix with the best players in the world and getting appreciable minutes and the other parked in bottomsix and getting limited minutes because the head coach doesn't have a clue.

I don't see either how Yama's increasing amount of instances where he can't even play or be dressed is some kind of benefit. I'll take the guy that can play every night and bang every night. Not the one who is near having his career ended by concussions that we are stuck with. thanks.
Puljujarvi had significantly more time with McDavid this year than Yamamoto. Connor was his most common line mate at forward 5v5. He also played more with Nuge and has had plenty of time with Draisaitl.

Yet all that extra time and 20 more games and he still couldn’t manage to out produce Yamamoto.

I want good players in the lineup. That’s not pulju.
 
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Puljujarvi had significantly more time with McDavid this year than Yamamoto. Connor was his most common line mate at forward 5v5. He also played more with Nuge and has had plenty of time with Draisaitl.

Yet all that extra time and 20 more games and he still couldn’t manage to out produce Yamamoto.

I want good players in the lineup. That’s not pulju.
I do not understand where this idea of Puljujarvi being stuck in the bottom six is coming from. His most common line mate over the last two seasons has been McDavid, and it's not even close. Then Hyman and Draisaitl. Dude was given every chance to succeed. Only recently has he been relegated to the bottom of the lineup.

Which, by the way, will happen to Yamamoto as well if he doesn't start playing better.

BTW, Yamamoto has had half as much time with McDavid, and has spent much more time playing with Nugent-Hopkins than Puljujarvi has, which I think we can agree is a step down from the big two. I understand we have some Draisaitl fans in the building, but let's not pretend that Puljujarvi didn't get his chances.
 
I do not understand where this idea of Puljujarvi being stuck in the bottom six is coming from. His most common line mate over the last two seasons has been McDavid, and it's not even close. Then Hyman and Draisaitl. Dude was given every chance to succeed. Only recently has he been relegated to the bottom of the lineup.

Which, by the way, will happen to Yamamoto as well if he doesn't start playing better.

BTW, Yamamoto has had half as much time with McDavid, and has spent much more time playing with Nugent-Hopkins than Puljujarvi has, which I think we can agree is a step down from the big two. I understand we have some Draisaitl fans in the building, but let's not pretend that Puljujarvi didn't get his chances.
Since Woody has come here as headcoach the topsix looks and minutes for Pulju steadily declined. In recent months they have declined severely.

Pulju has had far less chance with Draisaitl than Yama has had, who for most of his career has been glued to his hip. Much to my dismay
 
Since Woody has come here as headcoach the topsix looks and minutes for Pulju steadily declined. In recent months they have declined severely.

Pulju has had far less chance with Draisaitl than Yama has had, who for most of his career has been glued to his hip. Much to my dismay
Don't know what to tell you man, Puljujarvi has played more with McDavid than any other forward this year, and has 100 minutes with Draisaitl too (during which time they were horrible together).
 
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He'll be happy there...

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