Confirmed with Link: [EDM/CAR] Jesse Puljujarvi for Patrik Puistola

[guymez]

Both Foegele and Yamamoto do more than goal score. They PK too and our Centres like playing with them because they get to pucks first and know what to do with it when they get it

I agree.
I like Yamo. He plays a gritty game and has an abundance of courage for a small player but (based on what we have seen so far) I just dont think that his body will hold up.

 

[guymez]

Being able to communicate effectively with your line mates helps immensely. How many Finns on that Carolina team? How many on the Oilers?

We should have taken Sergachev in that draft like I wanted, but it is what it is.

Jesse really hurt his development by not prioritizing learning English.

 

[Slats432]

Being able to communicate effectively with your line mates helps immensely. How many Finns on that Carolina team? How many on the Oilers?

We should have taken Sergachev in that draft like I wanted, but it is what it is.

That explanation works for a few months. At some point you can either perform together or not. Maybe the atmosphere and familiarity will help him, but again, I am not optimistic for him. I wish he succeeds there, but won't hold my breath.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Jesse really hurt his development by not prioritizing learning English.

It's deeper than that. Prime example is I watched the last 2 Carolina games w/ him and Aho.

JP was the first person off that line every shift. A few shifts easily by 30 seconds.

That screams his lack of awareness. We all know line changes are somewhat planned for icetime but ultimately the icetime of a players shift breaks down situationally. So for JP to be the first one off 99% of the time, that shows he clearly isn't on the same page as his line

A few times when Aho dumped expecting JP to chase...JP skated laterally for some reason.

JP definitely plays his own brand of hockey that even language may not resolve

 

[Travis093]

It's deeper than that. Prime example is watched the last 2 Carolina games w/ him and Aho.

JP was the first person off that line every shift. A few shifts easily by 30 seconds.

That screams his lack of awareness. We all know line changes are somewhat planned for icetime but ultimately the icetime of a shift breaks down situationally. So for JP to be the 1st one off 99%, that shows he clearly isn't on the same page as his line.

A few times when Aho dumped expecting JP to chase...JP skated laterally for some reason.

JP definitely plays his own brand of hockey that even language may not resolve

I noticed that quite a bit in his edmonton time

 

[bobbythebrain]

Also...Carolina play by play announcer after a JP board play in which he fell for the umpteenth time in a game

"Jesse is a big man..6'4..looks kinda nimble"

 

[AM]

I've read a few media articles, players' comments and Carolina's fans comments and it seems clear he's looked good in these games. However, I think it's way way early to say where it will go. On the other hand he's not an Oiler anymore and it was time to let Puljujarvi go. If he does well that'll actually get some props to the Oilers in my eyes as trading him to Carolina was a fair move by Holland. It's possible agents and other teams players notice things like this which would be a small plus to the Oilers.

Hopefully he has some success.

 

[Whyme]

Hopefully he has some success.

As his supporter I hope so, but I'm prepared for anything now. I've been fighting to show it's rather been his on/off that's the problem so I'm a bit worried what happens if he doesn't get results soon. He could've had a couple of points in the first two games with Aho, but the 3rd game was his least productive one so we'll see where it goes.

 

[McTonyBrar]

It's deeper than that. Prime example is I watched the last 2 Carolina games w/ him and Aho.

JP was the first person off that line every shift. A few shifts easily by 30 seconds.

That screams his lack of awareness. We all know line changes are somewhat planned for icetime but ultimately the icetime of a players shift breaks down situationally. So for JP to be the first one off 99% of the time, that shows he clearly isn't on the same page as his line

A few times when Aho dumped expecting JP to chase...JP skated laterally for some reason.

JP definitely plays his own brand of hockey that even language may not resolve

That's a pretty good way of explaining why some players find his game very unpredictable (Leon and McDavid etc)

 

[The Nuge]

I agree.
I like Yamo. He plays a gritty game and has an abundance of courage for a small player but (based on what we have seen so far) I just dont think that his body will hold up.

Ya he’s a guy I wouldn’t sign too far past 30

That's a pretty good way of explaining why some players find his game very unpredictable (Leon and McDavid etc)

He’s more predictable defensively than he is offensively which seems odd at first, but the more I think about it the more it kind of makes sense to me. Tipp liked to teach players how to defend and then let them use their instincts once they have the puck. Jesse didn’t know what to do with the puck. He’s like a reverse Nail

 

[McTonyBrar]

Ya he’s a guy I wouldn’t sign too far past 30



He’s more predictable defensively than he is offensively which seems odd at first, but the more I think about it the more it kind of makes sense to me. Tipp liked to teach players how to defend and then let them use their instincts once they have the puck. Jesse didn’t know what to do with the puck. He’s like a reverse Nail

Exactly. Or he did know what to do with the puck but was too slow to make the play. I saw that a lot too. He always sometimes had games where he'd try to do too much or he'd do less to play it safe (I think that's why Carolina is noticing those quick shifts off the ice)

 

[McShogun99]

He needs to stay in North America during the off season and train at Bio Steel and hire a skills coach to work with all off season. There's still a lot of potential with him and hopefully he succeeds. Carolina is very smart and tight with their cap and won't qualify him at his current rate but i think it will be the best place for him if he's willing to sign for less.

 

[Frank the Tank]

Jesse really hurt his development by not prioritizing learning English.

I remember during the draft it was highlighted that Jarmo went back to Finland and interviewed Jesse's elementary school teachers. He then passed on Puljujarvi at the draft. It had me wondering: 1) why would you track down someone's teachers from over a decade ago, and 2) what did he learn that may have caused him to pass over the consensus #3 player?

 

[bobbythebrain]

Ya he’s a guy I wouldn’t sign too far past 30



He’s more predictable defensively than he is offensively which seems odd at first, but the more I think about it the more it kind of makes sense to me. Tipp liked to teach players how to defend and then let them use their instincts once they have the puck. Jesse didn’t know what to do with the puck. He’s like a reverse Nail

He's not that good defensively tbh. His defense is a by product of abandoning his linemates on cycles and leaving the zone early, that does not make one a "good" defensive player.

If JP was indeed good at defense, you would see him making countless more plays in his own zone. But you never do unless the dman wraps the boards towards him. What you never see is him pick off passes regularly, or go low to break up a play. What you never see is him strip a guy and take off.

Has he done these things once in awhile? Sure he has. But if you watch any good defensive forward you see them take pucks off guys with control several times a game.

Just last game there was a play where JP skated out of the zone early and Jarvis looked back to find him but had to eat the puck against a double team. JP was literally playing defense while his line was on offense.

 

[Leonardlizard]

There's nothing like seeing him blast a slapshot into the goalie's crest on someone else's top line.

 

[ZJuice]

Jesse’s PTSD from getting scolded by Connor kicked in and he could only think “STAY ONSIDE”

 

[bobbythebrain]

Aho line pointless in 3 games w/ JP. But remember...he's so good defensively he makes every line better

 

[KCC]

Aho line pointless in 3 games w/ JP. But remember...he's so good defensively he makes every line better

It's interesting how EDM's bottom 6 is suddenly so much better and contributing since JP was traded and how the Canes are now struggling with him in the line up. Shocking. /s

 

[Ruok]

It's interesting how EDM's bottom 6 is suddenly so much better and contributing since JP was traded and how the Canes are now struggling with him in the line up. Shocking. /s

Small sample size but I noticed that too.

 

[booyakasha]

so,
Has Jesse lit the world afire, now that he's out of the constraints of Edmonton?
expecting hat tricks every game now that he is able to express his skill

 

[bobbythebrain]

so,
Has Jesse lit the world afire, now that he's out of the constraints of Edmonton?
expecting hat tricks every game now that he is able to express his skill

Losing JP might be one of the Oilers greatest blunders. We all still mourn the day we let Martin Marincin and his complete defensive "elitness" go for nothing. Advanced stats are never wrong

 

[guymez]

I remember during the draft it was highlighted that Jarmo went back to Finland and interviewed Jesse's elementary school teachers. He then passed on Puljujarvi at the draft. It had me wondering: 1) why would you track down someone's teachers from over a decade ago, and 2) what did he learn that may have caused him to pass over the consensus #3 player?

Thats really interesting.
I wasnt aware that Jarmo did that. Maybe he was trying to determine Jesses work ethic around non hockey aspects...like maybe he was wondering about the language issue. Just grasping at straws with that but it would be interesting to hear his reasoning.

The NHL game is a hard enough adjustment for most players. I cant imagine how hard it would be if you couldnt communicate effectively.

I posted this back in Jesses 2nd or 3rd year with the team when he was still struggling mightily to communicate in English.
I just didnt understand why a player, who is about to make the most important career decision in his life, doesnt realize that learning the language should be an absolute priority. Not only that...how is it that seemingly none of Jesses advisors (agents..etc) communicated that to him.
I cant imagine that nobody said anything to him (including Oilers Management) so I think the onus is on the player and IMO Jesse really undermined his chance at NHL career by dropping that ball.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Losing JP might be one of the Oilers greatest blunders. We all still mourn the day we let Martin Marincin and his complete defensive "elitness" go for nothing. Advanced stats are never wrong

I looked up the Marincin thread… it’s an interesting read haha.

 

[3IR]

I looked up the Marincin thread… it’s an interesting read haha.

I’m always curious in situations like this where the advanced stats show really well, but the results aren’t there, whether they were never going to put it together, or if being in that situation for so long contributes to them not reaching this “potential” they appeared to have, but only showed in some aspects.

JP played some stretches of good hockey, but took a massive step back this year in every way, and definitely appeared to be in his own head, while also having the pressure of the Edmonton media/fanbase. I wonder if him having been traded last offseason instead, even to Carolina, would have different results?

There’s just such a mental aspect to the game that it’s hard to imagine a player succeeding if they aren’t in a good headspace for a long time.

Either way, I think we can all agree we’ve looked excellent since the trade, and we certainly appear to have come out on top for the cap space alone. That said, I wish him luck. He’s hard not to cheer for when he looks like he’s got the attitude of a puppy.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

I feel like such a fool for believing that Puljujarvi wouldn't be a fixture in this forum now that he's finally on another team in a different conference. But alas there is no escape.