GDT: ECF: Game 4 - New York Rangers @ Florida Panthers, 8pm ET, ESPN

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Siddi

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Interesting note from the NY Post paywall newsletter:

How to evaluate a scoreless draw​

Zibanejad made a fair point in response to questions about his line’s struggles on offense, noting he, Kreider and Filip Chytil have played Aleksander Barkov’s line to a 0-0 draw during their shared minutes in the series.

The Panthers have generated the majority of chances in those crucial minutes: The Rangers account for just 35.71 percent of expected goals over 23:06 when Zibanejad and Barkov have shared the ice at five-on-five.

But there’s something to be said for the fact that the scoresheet itself has been even, though the Rangers of course want better than that.

“It’s a fine balance,” Zibanejad said. “Beause it’s good to be responsible defensively. When you don’t score, it’s not a good thing offensively. You’re playing against a guy that can do both and a line can do both. So I think at the end of the day, as long as you get the wins, it’s obviously on an individual standpoint, you want to do whatever you can to play your best game, to contribute. But some games, at times, you just have to be able to value and more see what the scenarios in the game or the shifts within the game, how they are.

“We know their line, and obviously Barkov won the Selke [Trophy], too. So that part of his game obviously makes it harder for us, but at the same time, he’s been scoring at a pretty high rate, too. For us, we’re not trying to go out there and play 0-0, but at the same time, if we don’t get the offense that we want and expect, then we have to make sure that we have a defensive responsibility to be accountable to as well.

“Because of that, the suggestion [that] we just try to go more on the offensive track and shoot for offense, I don’t know if that’s gonna be the best for us.”

This is exactly what I wrote last night. People see him not scoring in this series and go all waah waah but what they fail to see is that he is keeping the other teams best player off the score sheet. The same player some posters here want on the team instead of Mika.

Once again, why do you guys think Paul Maurice decided to not ice Barkovs line against Mika after game 2? Barkov has all of 2 points in this series and both of them came in game 3 when he got away from Mika. For all of the great offence Trocheck provided this playoffs so far he is not on Mikas level when it comes to defence.

Mika is showing great leadership and unselfishness by providing what the team needs to win and if that means less scoring for him individually then so be it.

I dont know about you guys but that is what I want from my #1 center.
 
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Larrybiv

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Game three is historically the most important in a seven game series. We got that one out of the way.

I am hoping the guys come out loose and ready to go and Florida is feeling the heat.
Correct me if I am wrong but, think about how many teams had a 2-0 lead and won the 3rd. Like we did vs Carolina. So, those wins have to be included, right? So, wouldn't that ADD to the total of 66% winning the series? If true, I think that 66% could be a little misleading.
All in all though, it means we only have to be 2-2 from here on out. Whereas Florida has to win 3 of 4. Big difference.
 

Kovalev27

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It would help our poweprlay get into a rhythm if we got more than two.

The officiating has legit been kind of crazy.

I think this is the biggest issue. We’re getting like no reps. The refs have basically swallowed rbe whistles on us since we started lighting up Carolina. It’s ridiculous need reps to get going.

But I’ll tell you what. If we do get going this series is over.
 

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Correct me if I am wrong but, think about how many teams had a 2-0 lead and won the 3rd. Like we did vs Carolina. So, those wins have to be included, right? So, wouldn't that ADD to the total of 66% winning the series? If true, I think that 66% could be a little misleading.
All in all though, it means we only have to be 2-2 from here on out. Whereas Florida has to win 3 of 4. Big difference.
All these stats are inflated by series that were never close, yes.
 
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Chytilmania

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I honestly have a meh feeling.

I’m usually decent with it. Hopefully I’m wrong and we head back to MSG up 3-1
In years past this is a 2-0 or 5-2 loss. Let the other team get back into the series when we have a chance to get a good lead. But we swept the Caps and went up 3-0 on the Canes so maybe this year is different?? Maybe this year one of our (scoring) stars puts the team on his back?
 

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So the PP is 0-8. That doesn’t mean they should make changes. Every time they slump there the local geniuses call for changes. The coach decides not to and there they go getting hot again. Over reaction by fans as usual.
Yeah, DailyFaceoff has an interesting video on our PP struggles. Just pointed out a couple little things they're not doing right at the moment, like Mika drifting from his usual spot and getting too close to the goal line for the one timer and Panarian not being fast enough when he goes for the hide and seek play. Noted the Panthers PK is really good with lots of pressure similar to the Canes, but if we were a little sharper on the execution we'll get the chances.
 
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Laviolette - our Yoda - has a strategy planned

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Synergy27

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This feels too soon. Would be nice to have an extra day off here.

Would like to see the guys play significantly better tonight but that’s a lot to ask given the injuries and I’m sure fatigue.

Florida’s feeling it too though.

A win tonight would be AMAZING!
 

Larrybiv

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I would love a blow out to break their spirit and put doubt into.their minds. It would make everything being said about this series wrong.

Panthers are just too physical the Rangers can't keep up. We can do that too, if we wanted to.
Panthers are the best team remaing. We won the Prez. trophy, so how could that be true?
They are mentally stronger because they went to the cup last year. And got swept by Tampa the year before. We beat Tampa TWICE, and we all know the rest. What does that have to do with this year?

Blah blah blah...Yeah, blah, blah, blah.
My 2 cents
 

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According to the internet, and if it is on the internet it must be true, there is no way Florida is losing 2 in a row at home. SOOO, since the Rangers just called up 13 players from Hahtfahd, why not play them and let the regulars get extra rest for thursday. If they are going to lose anyway, why not?
 

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Interesting note from the NY Post paywall newsletter:

How to evaluate a scoreless draw

Zibanejad made a fair point in response to questions about his line’s struggles on offense, noting he, Kreider and Filip Chytil have played Aleksander Barkov’s line to a 0-0 draw during their shared minutes in the series.

The Panthers have generated the majority of chances in those crucial minutes: The Rangers account for just 35.71 percent of expected goals over 23:06 when Zibanejad and Barkov have shared the ice at five-on-five.

But there’s something to be said for the fact that the scoresheet itself has been even, though the Rangers of course want better than that.

“It’s a fine balance,” Zibanejad said. “Beause it’s good to be responsible defensively. When you don’t score, it’s not a good thing offensively. You’re playing against a guy that can do both and a line can do both. So I think at the end of the day, as long as you get the wins, it’s obviously on an individual standpoint, you want to do whatever you can to play your best game, to contribute. But some games, at times, you just have to be able to value and more see what the scenarios in the game or the shifts within the game, how they are.

“We know their line, and obviously Barkov won the Selke [Trophy], too. So that part of his game obviously makes it harder for us, but at the same time, he’s been scoring at a pretty high rate, too. For us, we’re not trying to go out there and play 0-0, but at the same time, if we don’t get the offense that we want and expect, then we have to make sure that we have a defensive responsibility to be accountable to as well.

“Because of that, the suggestion [that] we just try to go more on the offensive track and shoot for offense, I don’t know if that’s gonna be the best for us.”

I mean that’s a fair point but, but that doesn’t excuse his horrible play on the pp and panarin’s complete ineptitude for the last, what, 6 or 7 games?
 
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