Eastside Hockey Manager - Part X Patch 1.5 Edition! (Open Beta)

[xECK29x]

Does anyone know how easy (if possible at all) to modify the NHL HOF restrictions? And is it possible to modify them on an "in-progress" save, or does it need to be done on a new save?

I get that there's no "committee" to decide HHOF nominations, but I'd like to raise 750pts for a forward to 1000 pts, and the defensemen's 550 pts to 750. and maybe clean up the hall in my current save, but no biggie if it's not possible

Believe most of that is hard coded, you can't manually add entries as that table is game code and not a part of the DB. Flinch had a neat idea of populating the HHOF players in game with full career histories for the NHL and then retiring them in August which populates the table but its messy and unreliable.

 

[hoyster]

Well I ran into an unfortunate issue.
I'm currently playing in the SC finals leading 3-0. Now the day before the 4th game, the league roster freeze ends and suddenly my team is 50k over the cap and I'm not allowed to play the fourth game. I've tried to buy-out players, placing players on waivers and sending them to AHL and even traded some of my players, but the team cap hit won't go down. Any ideas what I can do?

 

[francis246]

Well I ran into an unfortunate issue.
I'm currently playing in the SC finals leading 3-0. Now the day before the 4th game, the league roster freeze ends and suddenly my team is 50k over the cap and I'm not allowed to play the fourth game. I've tried to buy-out players, placing players on waivers and sending them to AHL and even traded some of my players, but the team cap hit won't go down. Any ideas what I can do?

go on vacation for a day, let the team handle it

 

[hoyster]

go on vacation for a day, let the team handle it

It doesn't let me go on vacation either.
Ended up resigning from the team and then simming few days...Doesn't seem like the AI did any changes to the team.

 

[xECK29x]

Well I ran into an unfortunate issue.
I'm currently playing in the SC finals leading 3-0. Now the day before the 4th game, the league roster freeze ends and suddenly my team is 50k over the cap and I'm not allowed to play the fourth game. I've tried to buy-out players, placing players on waivers and sending them to AHL and even traded some of my players, but the team cap hit won't go down. Any ideas what I can do?

Edit some contract amounts or change the cap with EHM Assistant then change it back after the SCF ends.

 

[H3ckt1k]

I've somehow completely missed (or saw and forgot) about NhlX...just started reading week today and my day off from work is tomorrow, playing most of the night lol

Some of the expansion teams are really struggling out here, I picked Houston and I'm looking forward to building this team into something legendary from nothing! Always really cool to do a playthough on a team that has next to nothing to start with

 

[H3ckt1k]

Loving whats been happening so far. As expected the new expansion teams are garbage along with seattle. The red wings drafted a defenceman at the end of the second round in the first draft, he went nearly ppg in his 20 games in the ahl right after and now is a proper nhler for them, really like seeing unique things like that happen in the game. I really like the ratings on a lot of the players as well, this seems really well done!

 

[BKarchitect]

Loving whats been happening so far. As expected the new expansion teams are garbage along with seattle. The red wings drafted a defenceman at the end of the second round in the first draft, he went nearly ppg in his 20 games in the ahl right after and now is a proper nhler for them, really like seeing unique things like that happen in the game. I really like the ratings on a lot of the players as well, this seems really well done!

Glad you are enjoying it! Did you playing where the expansion teams start out empty or filled with depth players. Let us know how your Aeros tenure progresses - I know the CPU controlled expansion teams generally take like 5 years to get decent if they start empty, wondering how long it takes a human manager to get an expansion team competitive.

 

[H3ckt1k]

Glad you are enjoying it! Did you playing where the expansion teams start out empty or filled with depth players. Let us know how your Aeros tenure progresses - I know the CPU controlled expansion teams generally take like 5 years to get decent if they start empty, wondering how long it takes a human manager to get an expansion team competitive.

I started with them filled, seemed like a bit much for me to do last night at 2 am or whenever it was lol

We'll see how long it takes!! I try my absolute best to make it as realistic as possible eg only trades that actually make sense/signings that would happen, and I try to not use any tactics other than turning on fighting for everybody. Also will rarely use the assistant to snipe the best players in every draft, so in a lot of my saves I do end up missing on a good amount of picks which honestly just adds to the fun. I've had my fair share of saves that have me as a contender every year after the second or third season, and I don't find that nearly as fun as taking it slower either because I miss on draft picks or just make bad trades that don't work out

 

[H3ckt1k]

Tampa has won the first two cups of the playthrough, making them the first dynasty with 4 straight! After falling from 1st to 4th pick in the first draft we just moved up from 3rd to 1st for this one...hard to decide if I want Bedard or Michkov

 

[BKarchitect]

Thinking I may experiment with mid-season tournament in the NHLX database much like what is proposed in the NBA. Reduces regular season fatigue and adds another premier competition to win a trophy in. I've already got a "play-in" round in the NHLX playoffs those seems another fun way to try and vary things up.

NHLX has 36 teams so I would reduce the regular season to 70 games - with a balanced schedule where everybody plays everybody else twice (one home, one away). This should even things up a bit with the expansion team distribution (QC in the East, HOU, KC and POR currently in the West).

The mid-season cups would actually be two different cups...I'll have the Canada Cup strictly for the 9 Canadian teams. They'll play a quick round robin league setup of 8 games each and then I'm thinking the top 4 advance to a Cup-style championship. Best of 3 for the first round and a simple one game championship game for the Canada Cup trophy. That would be a minimum of 8 games and max of 12 so every Canadian team would have a combined schedule of between 78 and 82 games.

The America Cup would feature 3 pods of 9, divided geographically. Since the balanced regular season schedule will reduce the frequency of some rivalries, this should at least help to have geographically close teams have another avenue to play each other. I'm thinkin the top 2 of each group (so 6) plus 2 highest placed wild-cards would make the Cup portion - so 8 teams. Best of 3 for round one and the semis and a single game Cup title game. That would be a minimum of 8 games and a max of 15 so every American team would have a combined schedule of between 78 and 85 games.

Right now NHLX has a custom schedule of an 84 game regular season. I hand-created it so nobody has more than 2 games in a row or more than 3 over a 5 day period so a schedule load of between 78-85 games for a new regular season + Cup slate should be doable and realistic. It will take some getting used to for regular season stat totals though.

Thoughts on this idea or how to improve it?

 

[GKJ]

I’ve at long last finished the schedule I was working on. Don’t know yet if the juice was worth the squeeze as next season I think some structures will look different, but cool to have a template if I overhaul the teams I picked for my custom league.

is it possible to do a playoff format where I have a one-game playoff? Right now I have 32 teams/4 divisions, but I am trying to have 5 teams make the playoffs with a 4 v 5 qualifier. Also trying to do a 2-3-2 format for 7 game series.

 

[BKarchitect]

I’ve at long last finished the schedule I was working on. Don’t know yet if the juice was worth the squeeze as next season I think some structures will look different, but cool to have a template if I overhaul the teams I picked for my custom league.

is it possible to do a playoff format where I have a one-game playoff? Right now I have 32 teams/4 divisions, but I am trying to have 5 teams make the playoffs with a 4 v 5 qualifier. Also trying to do a 2-3-2 format for 7 game series.

It feels great to spend all the time on a schedule and then actually have it work!

Yes you can do a 1 game playoff series. Not sure about the series formatting.

 

[GKJ]

It feels great to spend all the time on a schedule and then actually have it work!

Yes you can do a 1 game playoff series. Not sure about the series formatting.

When I was playing with the schedule dates I was getting different permutations of the series. When I try to set it for this format though and then I go to sun, the programs just eternally tries to load and stops responding. I figure it’s because of the extra single playoff because I did get it to work without it, but I didn’t intensively work through it (I still haven’t figured out how to use the test mode, I don’t see where that comes in the startup)

 

[efiug]

When I was playing with the schedule dates I was getting different permutations of the series. When I try to set it for this format though and then I go to sun, the programs just eternally tries to load and stops responding. I figure it’s because of the extra single playoff because I did get it to work without it, but I didn’t intensively work through it (I still haven’t figured out how to use the test mode, I don’t see where that comes in the startup)

took me a while to find it too since its in a relatively unintuitive place, its in the top right corner of the selected leagues menu.

 

[GKJ]

took me a while to find it too since its in a relatively unintuitive place, its in the top right corner of the selected leagues menu.

A ha! There it is!

 

[DropKickedMurphy]

NHLX has 36 teams so I would reduce the regular season to 70 games - with a balanced schedule where everybody plays everybody else twice (one home, one away). This should even things up a bit with the expansion team distribution (QC in the East, HOU, KC and POR currently in the West).

I think this opens up a League-wide playoff format, instead of conferences/divisions. If every team in NHLX plays the exact same schedule, then you can truly have a playoff format that follows 1v16, 2v15, etc...

 

[BKarchitect]

I think this opens up a League-wide playoff format, instead of conferences/divisions. If every team in NHLX plays the exact same schedule, then you can truly have a playoff format that follows 1v16, 2v15, etc...

Yup. Already got it up and running. The 70 games and no conferences (let alone divisions) takes some getting used to visually - but as you said, conferences are now irrelevant with a balanced schedule plus the All-Star game is captains-style anyways.

Also got the Canadian Championship up and running...it's really a blast if you like playing as a Canadian GM. It's got a real high reputation (second only to the Stanley Cup) and it's just fun to have another major trophy to compete for as an NHL GM, especially one that carries such significance.

Getting the American Championship up and running now as well - it'll be similar but I am dividing clubs into four geographical pods. Both Championships feature a league-style group stage where you play a home-and-home against your group rivals. I love this setup because while the balanced NHL schedule is a much more fair and even setup for the NHL regular season, you lose some frequency of regional rivals. With the in-season Championships, you gain a lot of that back.

Canadian Championship
- Calgary
- Edmonton
- Montreal
- Ottawa
- Quebec
- Toronto
- Vancouver
- Winnipeg

Opening Round: Home-and-home
Cup Tournament: Four top teams make it; both rounds are a seeded best-of-three

American Championship
Northeast
Boston
Buffalo
New Jersey
NY Islanders
NY Rangers
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh

Southeast
Carolina
Dallas
Florida
Houston
Nashville
Tampa Bay
Washington

Central
Chicago
Colorado
Columbus
Detroit
Kansas City
Minnesota
St. Louis

Pacific
Anaheim
Arizona
Los Angeles
Portland
San Jose
Seattle
Vegas

Opening Round: Home-and-home (within each group)
Cup Tournament: Winner of each of the four groups makes it; both rounds are a seeded best-of-three

The Championships have their group rounds dispersed a bit throughout the season to create a kind of nice rhythm to the scheduling. The Cup phases occur at the end of February right after the Olympic Break (which NHLX has even in non-Olympic years - a rest period to allow players to get fit after a grueling schedule before the final 'push'). This allows the Championships to both be over with about 15 games left in the NHL season - giving clubs time to ramp back up for the actual NHL playoffs.

What I wanted to avoid was chaotic schedule that either took clubs out of regular NHL games for a huge period (I did not want an NHL season that was essentially two separate season with a huge tournament in the middle) but it also avoids having teams jump from NHL to Championship play ever few games. The block of regular season games are 15 to start and end the NHL season and 10 games between each group of Championship matches.

So yeah, even with these "digital players and teams", I'm trying to craft a very customized and sensible season

 

[GKJ]

ok so here are the errors I'm getting trying to do my playoffs. i had it set once where the playoffs did load, but having errors is still bad. (I did have it work when it was just a traditional format.)

CUP_STAGE::map_fixture_tree()-unable to place teams [league]
CUP_STAGE::constructor()-unable to map fixture tree

I also have had sims where I get to the playoffs and the game does just stop responding while pinwheeling and just doesn't do anything.

 

[canary]

Is Quebec a nation in EHM, similar to how Basque is a nation in the various Football Manager games?

I'm wondering if something like Athletic Bilbao's cantera policy could potentially be applied to the Nordiques in a Quebecois-only (or Franco-only) game save/database, or would it be something I would need to do manually.

If there was, I'm assuming there would be no way to account for Francophones from other provinces (i.e. Claude Giroux, Benoit Pouliot) or those who have Quebecois heritage (Patrick Marleau, Jonathan Toews).

 

[BKarchitect]

Is Quebec a nation in EHM, similar to how Basque is a nation in the various Football Manager games?

I'm wondering if something like Athletic Bilbao's cantera policy could potentially be applied to the Nordiques in a Quebecois-only (or Franco-only) game save/database, or would it be something I would need to do manually.

If there was, I'm assuming there would be no way to account for Francophones from other provinces (i.e. Claude Giroux, Benoit Pouliot) or those who have Quebecois heritage (Patrick Marleau, Jonathan Toews).

Already tried it...it's so close to working but the player development and a few other major issues make it impractical at this point in time.

Read about my experience here:
Project NHL 36 - a 2018-19 DB with 36 Team NHL/AHL/ECHL! - Page 12 - EHM The Blue Line

It was fully-featured as a nation, IIHF ranking, international tournaments, all Quebcois turned to Quebec for nationality and QC even as a homegrown club like Athletic Bilbao in La Liga.

It looked great and performed well in certain tasks but ultimately was not sustainable in the sim. This was many years ago now, perhaps I (or somebody else) can eventually take another go but I spent a lot of time on it and it just wasn't quite in the cards.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

I had an earlier post edited by a mod, so let's bump a more direct version:

Sim a few years into the 1.5 beta and half of all the top players are Germans. The other half are Swiss.

An overwhelming number of defensemen have great offensive abilities and terrible defensive abilities.

It's 2047 and the NHL's leader in shutouts had two. The starter for my team had a 3.11 and .898% and the team had the best GAA in the NHL.

Is there a version of the database that attempts to be realistic? This beta is absolute shit.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Already tried it...it's so close to working but the player development and a few other major issues make it impractical at this point in time.

Read about my experience here:
Project NHL 36 - a 2018-19 DB with 36 Team NHL/AHL/ECHL! - Page 12 - EHM The Blue Line

It was fully-featured as a nation, IIHF ranking, international tournaments, all Quebcois turned to Quebec for nationality and QC even as a homegrown club like Athletic Bilbao in La Liga.

It looked great and performed well in certain tasks but ultimately was not sustainable in the sim. This was many years ago now, perhaps I (or somebody else) can eventually take another go but I spent a lot of time on it and it just wasn't quite in the cards.

Did you rename an existing country (if so, which?) or did you create a new Nation record for Quebec?

Did the junior drafts work as expected?

I've found in an earlier version of GUH, non-Canadian or American teams function slightly differently in the sim (ie. signing dates, World Championship) behaved very oddly. I had added a group of Mexican teams, which was neat, but ultimately had a separate set of behaviors than the Canadian or American counterparts.

I posted this on the si games forum about it: Non-USA/Canadian NHL teams - Cannot Loan player in Mexico to another Mexican Team (and some other non-USA/Canada quirks)

 

[BKarchitect]

Did you rename an existing country (if so, which?) or did you create a new Nation record for Quebec?

Did the junior drafts work as expected?

I've found in an earlier version of GUH, non-Canadian or American teams function slightly differently in the sim (ie. signing dates, World Championship) behaved very oddly. I had added a group of Mexican teams, which was neat, but ultimately had a separate set of behaviors than the Canadian or American counterparts.

I posted this on the si games forum about it: Non-USA/Canadian NHL teams - Cannot Loan player in Mexico to another Mexican Team (and some other non-USA/Canada quirks)

I honestly don’t remember, it’s been so long. I think I might have created an entirely new nation which might have thrown a wrench into a few things - although all the tournaments with Quebec worked just fine IIRC. If I recall there were major issues with the QMJHL developing properly as a CHL league and this issues down the road with the player development cycle. It’s a bit fuzzy - I just remember being very excited to get it to work and then 5 years into the sim realizing there were major issues.

 

[xECK29x]

I had an earlier post edited by a mod, so let's bump a more direct version:

Sim a few years into the 1.5 beta and half of all the top players are Germans. The other half are Swiss.

An overwhelming number of defensemen have great offensive abilities and terrible defensive abilities.

It's 2047 and the NHL's leader in shutouts had two. The starter for my team had a 3.11 and .898% and the team had the best GAA in the NHL.

Is there a version of the database that attempts to be realistic? This beta is absolute shit.

Guess it's not for you then bud, it's about a 15 year old game on the backend and we can only control so much with the database.