Eastside Hockey Manager - Part X Patch 1.5 Edition! (Open Beta)

[Dennis Reynolds]

Guess it's not for you then bud, it's about a 15 year old game on the backend and we can only control so much with the database.

That's a flat-out lie on the German/Swiss/bizarre defensman abilities fronts. Bud.

Again: Is there a version of the database that attempts to be realistic?

 

[xECK29x]

That's a flat-out lie on the German/Swiss/bizarre defensman abilities fronts. Bud.

Again: Is there a version of the database that attempts to be realistic?

You can try making one yourself

 

[GagneHanson12]

That's a flat-out lie on the German/Swiss/bizarre defensman abilities fronts. Bud.

Again: Is there a version of the database that attempts to be realistic?

This guy is snappy and didn't even state what DB he's using.....

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

This guy is snappy and didn't even state what DB he's using.....

I did. It was in the earlier post, but a mod thought he had a better idea.

I don't think expecting the database attached to the official public beta to be in the ballpark of believable is at all unreasonable.

 

[GKJ]

I did. It was in the earlier post, but a mod thought he had a better idea.

I don't think expecting the database attached to the official public beta to be in the ballpark of believable is at all unreasonable.

These guys are happy to hear out any errors in their databases, but they do all these updates as passion projects. So, yes, it is unreasonable to expect what you see as perfection or something close to it and being critical about it.

 

[NathanB]

I did. It was in the earlier post, but a mod thought he had a better idea.

I don't think expecting the database attached to the official public beta to be in the ballpark of believable is at all unreasonable.

Its unreasonable if you knew anything about the game at all.

The effort that goes into trying to make the ECK database realistic is immense, but if you think it isnt up to scratch then offer up your vast knowledge and help make it better.

You cant please everyone, there are things in that DB that I dont like, so I make my own and i do things that many others probably wouldnt agree on. So either help or make your own. Saying its absolute shit to a bunch of people, whether beta or DB, who spend their spare time trying to maintain the game, isnt going to get you any friendly responses.

 

[Treb]

I did. It was in the earlier post, but a mod thought he had a better idea.

I don't think expecting the database attached to the official public beta to be in the ballpark of believable is at all unreasonable.

You never mentioned the database you were using, only that it was the 1.5 beta. No one use the default database. It is not made to be realistic. EHM is made with the intent of using custom databases.

The only thing edited out was something against the rules. You know what it was.

 

[canary]

I honestly don’t remember, it’s been so long. I think I might have created an entirely new nation which might have thrown a wrench into a few things - although all the tournaments with Quebec worked just fine IIRC. If I recall there were major issues with the QMJHL developing properly as a CHL league and this issues down the road with the player development cycle. It’s a bit fuzzy - I just remember being very excited to get it to work and then 5 years into the sim realizing there were major issues.

From what I understand, the players were of Quebec nationality and not Canadian? I can't pretend to understand the issues you presented with how the QMJHL did not work but I'd just like to pose the question... Would it have worked any better if it was players maintained Canadian nationality with Quebec as a second nationality (as those eligible for Bilbao are Spanish with Basque second nationality in FM)? And QMJHL and other Quebec clubs were left alone, save for the cantera policy at the Nordiques (maybe we should be calling it the carrière policy, hah!)? Rather than trying to make an entirely new nation with national and junior teams?

I don't know what is necessary in the editor for applying the QC-only policy to the Nordiques, so sorry in advance if I am being obtuse.

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

I had an earlier post edited by a mod, so let's bump a more direct version:

Sim a few years into the 1.5 beta and half of all the top players are Germans. The other half are Swiss.

An overwhelming number of defensemen have great offensive abilities and terrible defensive abilities.

It's 2047 and the NHL's leader in shutouts had two. The starter for my team had a 3.11 and .898% and the team had the best GAA in the NHL.

Is there a version of the database that attempts to be realistic? This beta is absolute shit.

I can try to help you as best as I can.

All DBs are made differently, so they will all act differently deep into the future.

Have you tried the original DB that comes with the game? It doesn't have Vegas or Seattle, but it's a vanilla one with no customization that runs perfectly fine for me.

 

[BKarchitect]

From what I understand, the players were of Quebec nationality and not Canadian? I can't pretend to understand the issues you presented with how the QMJHL did not work but I'd just like to pose the question... Would it have worked any better if it was players maintained Canadian nationality with Quebec as a second nationality (as those eligible for Bilbao are Spanish with Basque second nationality in FM)? And QMJHL and other Quebec clubs were left alone, save for the cantera policy at the Nordiques (maybe we should be calling it the carrière policy, hah!)? Rather than trying to make an entirely new nation with national and junior teams?

I don't know what is necessary in the editor for applying the QC-only policy to the Nordiques, so sorry in advance if I am being obtuse.

Not obtuse I think what I was doing was a little more intense than what you are asking for. I’m still not sure it would work though - I’m not sure the game engine would be able to understand that all Quebec born players should have Quebec as a secondary nationality nor is there a code to make a club restricted to players of a certain secondary nationality…there is for primary only.

 

[GKJ]

I've managed to get to a point in my testing where teams are playing themselves in the playoffs

I can't figure out the formula here, what am I missing? No permutation seems to work no matter what input I have or what 'schedule dates' line I copy

 

[archibalduk]

I've managed to get to a point in my testing where teams are playing themselves in the playoffsView attachment 511907

I can't figure out the formula here, what am I missing? No permutation seems to work no matter what input I have or what 'schedule dates' line I copy

That's a new one on me! Have you checked that you have an even number of teams being drawn into that stage of the playoffs? It almost looks like the game can only find an odd number, resulting in the spare team playing itself.

 

[GKJ]

That's a new one on me! Have you checked that you have an even number of teams being drawn into that stage of the playoffs? It almost looks like the game can only find an odd number, resulting in the spare team playing itself.

I’m trying to only have 5 teams in a divisional playoff, where 4 plays 5 in a one game qualifying round, and 1, 2, 3 go straight to the ‘first round’

 

[NathanB]

I’m trying to only have 5 teams in a divisional playoff, where 4 plays 5 in a one game qualifying round, and 1, 2, 3 go straight to the ‘first round’

Can you screenshot the editor? Probably the rules for picking teams page and the stage where it shoes how many teams for promoted/playoff top/ playoff bottom etc

 

[GKJ]

Can you screenshot the editor? Probably the rules for picking teams page and the stage where it shoes how many teams for promoted/playoff top/ playoff bottom etc

Yeah I can when I get home. I’ve messed with the ‘schedule dates’ so many times that I’m not sure if that current setting will help

 

[GKJ]

@NathanB Here is what I'm looking at. This input is only giving me the the #5 seed in each division a home game, with no opponents and no other playoff scheduling.

 

[NathanB]

OK so what you want to do is similar to what is in place for some European leagues already just with different numbers and obviously with divisions, so this is what I'd do.

On The Stage page for the League/Division ( Screenshot 3) Change the following in the end places - Promoted 0 to 3, Playoff (Top) 5 to 2

On screenshot 4 stage page for the playoff go to the rules side tab and make sure the that -From Prev Stages top Bye is TRUE, From Prev Stages Seeded is TRUE as well make all other Team picking rules FALSE

On screenshot 1, playoff schedule dates change the following - For the Qualifying Round - Extra teams change from 1 to 2
For the Semi Final- Extra Teams change from 4 to 3, Extra Team Start Index change from 0 to 2

Obviously rinse and repeat is its needed for other divisions etc

Let me know if that helps at all

 

[glxss]

Hey guys! I run an online league and we're looking for some new players to join our waitlist. The league was originally created with the purpose of bringing new GMs to online so there's lots of FAQs, resources, and people to help you get started.

If you're not totally sure, you're welcome to come sit in our discord and talk about EHM, hockey, or anything else and get a feel for online play first.

Our discord: Join the Simulation Hockey Association Discord Server!

(sorry if this is against the rules or something, i don't see anything about online leagues lol)

 

[GKJ]

OK so what you want to do is similar to what is in place for some European leagues already just with different numbers and obviously with divisions, so this is what I'd do.

On The Stage page for the League/Division ( Screenshot 3) Change the following in the end places - Promoted 0 to 3, Playoff (Top) 5 to 2

On screenshot 4 stage page for the playoff go to the rules side tab and make sure the that -From Prev Stages top Bye is TRUE, From Prev Stages Seeded is TRUE as well make all other Team picking rules FALSE

On screenshot 1, playoff schedule dates change the following - For the Qualifying Round - Extra teams change from 1 to 2
For the Semi Final- Extra Teams change from 4 to 3, Extra Team Start Index change from 0 to 2

Obviously rinse and repeat is its needed for other divisions etc

Let me know if that helps at all

Looking like fatal errors

 

[BKarchitect]

Loving the new NHLX setup - I'll probably release v1.3 with this new NHL configuration this weekend.

- You'll have two new high-level Cup competitions to play - the NHL Canadian Championship and the NHL American Championship. I highly recommend turning them on if you play the NHL, but you don't have to.

- The NHL regular season is now a 70 game slate. Balanced schedule (home and home versus every team). Conferences and divisions are gone. Standings are a single list. Top 20 make the playoffs but seeds 13-20 play a "play-in" round. So you really want to get into the top 12 to guarantee a spot in the "real" playoffs. The 4 winners of the play-in series join the top 12 seeds to make-up the 16 team playoff field.

- The American Championship features all 28 USA clubs, with a regional 4-group initial round of home-and-home. The winner of each region advances to the playoffs.

- The Canadian Championship has a single group stage of all 8 Canadian clubs playing home-and-home against each opponent. The top four in the group advance to the Cup stage and compete for the chapmionship.

- I gotta say I just love having an extra high-level competition to play for as an NHL GM. In this sim, the Blackhawks finished 18th in the NHL standings but were extra feisty in the American Championship, winning the Central (beating the NHL Stanley Cup Champion Avs among others) while making it to the semi's in the competition. In Canada, the Leafs once again fell short of making it to the Stanley Cup but won the Canadian Championship - so it helps ease the pain of another playoff failure. Lots of fun new scenarios to play out.

- Also full-awards both individual and team for each of the new comps, which gives NHL players more chances to fill their history with cool new achievements.

Right now the Cups are named for respective legends for each country with long resumes of winning trophies and longevity - who also don't already have NHL awards named after them:
- The Chris Chelios Cup for the American Championship
- The Jean Béliveau Cup for the Canadian Championship

Although I am open to ideas for the naming of the Cups!

 

[GKJ]

@BKarchitect it looks like you have the Flames instead of the Flyers in your American cup. Although I don’t blame you, no one wants to watch the Flyers anyways

 

[xECK29x]

Loving the new NHLX setup - I'll probably release v1.3 with this new NHL configuration this weekend.

- You'll have two new high-level Cup competitions to play - the NHL Canadian Championship and the NHL American Championship. I highly recommend turning them on if you play the NHL, but you don't have to.

- The NHL regular season is now a 70 game slate. Balanced schedule (home and home versus every team). Conferences and divisions are gone. Standings are a single list. Top 20 make the playoffs but seeds 13-20 play a "play-in" round. So you really want to get into the top 12 to guarantee a spot in the "real" playoffs. The 4 winners of the play-in series join the top 12 seeds to make-up the 16 team playoff field.

- The American Championship features all 28 USA clubs, with a regional 4-group initial round of home-and-home. The winner of each region advances to the playoffs.

- The Canadian Championship has a single group stage of all 8 Canadian clubs playing home-and-home against each opponent. The top four in the group advance to the Cup stage and compete for the chapmionship.

- I gotta say I just love having an extra high-level competition to play for as an NHL GM. In this sim, the Blackhawks finished 18th in the NHL standings but were extra feisty in the American Championship, winning the Central (beating the NHL Stanley Cup Champion Avs among others) while making it to the semi's in the competition. In Canada, the Leafs once again fell short of making it to the Stanley Cup but won the Canadian Championship - so it helps ease the pain of another playoff failure. Lots of fun new scenarios to play out.

- Also full-awards both individual and team for each of the new comps, which gives NHL players more chances to fill their history with cool new achievements.

Right now the Cups are named for respective legends for each country with long resumes of winning trophies and longevity - who also don't already have NHL awards named after them:
- The Chris Chelios Cup for the American Championship
- The Jean Béliveau Cup for the Canadian Championship

Although I am open to ideas for the naming of the Cups!

I can’t wait to mess around with this!

 

[NathanB]

Looking like fatal errors

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Hmmm shouldnt be an issue with team numbers with what I have amended, You probably need to upload the DB itself then so i can look at all screens easier.

 

[GKJ]

Hmmm shouldnt be an issue with team numbers with what I have amended, You probably need to upload the DB itself then so i can look at all screens easier.

I don’t doubt I’m missing something, I’d be happy to Dropbox it

 

[H3ckt1k]

Nhlx has been a lot of fun so far! Tampa has managed to do something Ive never seen a cpu team do; theyve won 8 of 9 cups and made the finals the year they didnt win, im not sure if it actually matters but it seems like most good free agents prefer to sign with them. They’ll lose a solid player, like old stamkos, but then immediately replace him with a player almost as good in the off season. Its pretty crazy and lots of fun.

Other expansion teams have been struggling, but theyve honestly been making some good trades and solid draft picks. I was comparing all our early round picks the first 5-6 years since we were all bottom barrel teams and I cant even say confidently they I out drafted them, some of their picks have become really good players. In the drafts im noticing by year 2026 ish the talent falls off hard, not many great players but it could just be a couple weak drafts. Also pretty common for after the first round most of the ranked players to be playing in college, which has led to a lot of unranked players from different countries getting drafted. I personally love that, theres solid round picks coming from iceland, different african countries, numerous players from japan, and then of course smaller european nations.

I always try to build my teams with players from “unique” countries, so this has been so much fun so far. Really loving the Nhlx mode!