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Friedman: Dylan Larkin requests trade, Part II

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I think it's a little presumptive to say that it's highly unlikely. This guy in particular will never agree, but if Yzerman calls up a playoff team with aspirations of contending and says Larkin for your Desnoyers-tier prospect 1 for 1, I firmly believe the other GM is accepting it without a second thought. The thing is, Yzerman may be looking for multiple pieces, and that could be the hang up if we are looking at this particular tier. If Utah finds it hard to build a package with Desnoyers headlining, then there might just be a more valuable deal to be built, whether with Utah or with another organization.

I do think that it would behoove some posters here to read some of the reporting and theorizing being produced by people who are somewhat connected and have a better sense of what the cost would be. The fact that you don't see articles asking if Larkin could justify returning a single top prospect is rather telling


"The Ducks would likely be reluctant to part with top prospect Roger McQueen, but a package built around McTavish and defense prospect Stian Solberg could tempt Detroit."


"Detroit gets: F Tij Iginla, F Barrett Hayton, 2027 first-round pick
Utah gets: F Larkin
Pronman: Utah can clearly offer the most compelling package to Detroit, given its plethora of premium young assets. We didn’t include Caleb Desnoyers or Dmitri Simashev, as it would be tough to get Utah to include them, but center Cole Beaudoin could certainly be in this deal. Iginla is a legit projected top-six scorer, and Hayton is a quality NHL center."

"Detroit gets: G Jesper Wallstedt, F Danila Yurov, F Charlie Stramel
Minnesota gets: F Larkin, G Sebastian Cossa
Pronman: This is the most complicated package, but Minnesota’s best future asset is a goalie, while Detroit is already dealing with a hard decision on what to do with Cossa, who will be waiver eligible. This deal would also require a dose of humility from Detroit, which had its choice of the first-round goalies in 2021 and opted for Cossa.
Minnesota parts with three A-level young assets but gets one back in Cossa, who is a very good young goalie. Yurov and Stramel both project as long-term third-line centers or second-line wingers with different play styles: Yurov is more of a skill player, and Stramel is big and highly physical."


"But whether the Wild can pull off another blockbuster is a bit more complicated for one main reason:

They don’t have a ton of trade chips.

“You know how many teams are going to be in on Dylan Larkin?” said former NHL GM Craig Button, now TSN’s director of amateur scouting. “Here’s the problem for the Minnesota Wild. I don’t think they can get Dylan Larkin for what other teams are going to be able to offer Detroit. That’s the cold, hard reality.

“They don’t have the pieces. Too many other teams have the pieces. If I’m Steve Yzerman, it’s not worth it.”

The Wild exhausted a lot of their trade capital in the Hughes mega deal in mid-December, trading top prospect Zeev Buium, Marco Rossi, Liam Ohgren and their 2026 first-round pick. Sure, there are solid prospects left, like Charlie Stramel and Danila Yurov. But it’s debatable whether those are the kinds of chips that can get you somebody like Larkin on an affordable contract."

Lolz that’s awful for Utah
 
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“ a package built around McTavish and defense prospect Stian Solberg could tempt Detroit."
from Solberg’s Wikipedia page:

He began playing defence at 14, when a teammate urinated in the shower and the coach gave Solberg his roster spot as punishment.[1]

Good thing Coach was there monitoring the situation… wtf
 
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I think the problem is that trading him sort of signals the Yzerplan has failed. Steve obviously doesn't want to move him. They're trying to win now.
I don't think that's true at all. It depends on what he's traded for. I'm not saying this would happen, but if he got traded for Hischier straight up would it mean it failed?

Or if they got a young center that broke out in 2 years that fit into the age group of Seider/Raymond more would it be a fail?

Lets say they get McTavish and Solberg or something along those lines... next year McTavish bounces back similar to Zegras when he got out of Anaheim. In 2 years time, McTavish is a 70 point center and Solberg is on your second pair.... is that a fail?

Its impossible to say this honestly until the trade plays out.
Detroit fans would expect MORE than Yurov, Stramel, and 2 1sts?

That's 4 1sts total, which is what it took to get Quinn Hughes.
Lol... yeah Yurov Stramel and 2 1sts is the same as the Hughes package. Sure

Stramel had 8 points in the NCAA 2 years ago ffs
 
Trade offers indicate what teams are willing to pay for a version of larkin thats 26 instead of 30.

So you'd take those offers and make them smaller.

And more importantly than the value, is the centerpieces. You can see which players are going to be out there, and which players have been made untouchable.

Players that are untouchable for Thomas are certainly not going to become available for Larkin

Thomas is closer to being 27 than Larkin is to 30. Not that I suspect math is your strong suit.

And before you comment suggesting that I think that Larkin being "only 3 years older" somehow makes them worth the same, I'm not. I am just going to point out when you aren't being accurate, honest or transparent.
 
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I don't think that's true at all. It depends on what he's traded for. I'm not saying this would happen, but if he got traded for Hischier straight up would it mean it failed?

Or if they got a young center that broke out in 2 years that fit into the age group of Seider/Raymond more would it be a fail?

Lets say they get McTavish and Solberg or something along those lines... next year McTavish bounces back similar to Zegras when he got out of Anaheim. In 2 years time, McTavish is a 70 point center and Solberg is on your second pair.... is that a fail?

Its impossible to say this honestly until the trade plays out.

Lol... yeah Yurov Stramel and 2 1sts is the same as the Hughes package. Sure

Stramel had 8 points in the NCAA 2 years ago ffs
Yeah I get that. If he had that kind of return I would be shocked.
 
This is one of those places that if you're Larkin, you hope that another team will step up but ultimately are probably fine with going to if this drags out for a long time. Up and coming playoff team, warm weather yadda yadda

Wings can get a package they're happy/don't feel like they're setting on with McTavish ++
These are my exact thoughts as well “ listen Stevie Y I’m not thrilled about it, but I’ll go to Anaheim because I’m definitely not going to Utah “ etc
 
Yeah I get that. If he had that kind of return I would be shocked.
Like I said, let it play out. Every report is that Yzerman isn't going to get bullied, Friedman is saying he's going to get an Eichel like return, and there hasn't been a guy like this signed long term traded in a long time.

HFboards posters making up trade values in threads isn't the real world.
These are my exact thoughts as well “ listen Stevie Y I’m not thrilled about it, but I’ll go to Anaheim because I’m definitely not going to Utah “ etc
It doesn't check all the boxes, but it checks a lot of them for sure. Larkins probably getting shit on any time he's out and about right now too. I wouldn't expect him to accept something like this immediately, but he might be worn down by the end of summer
 
This is one of those places that if you're Larkin, you hope that another team will step up but ultimately are probably fine with going to if this drags out for a long time. Up and coming playoff team, warm weather yadda yadda

Wings can get a package they're happy/don't feel like they're setting on with McTavish ++
With that kind of attitude, he can kick rocks I don’t want him.

Assuming it’s legit
 
The guy who attached a 2nd to Walman is apparently now going to get a sweet return on a guy who requested a trade and has a list of like 3 teams. OK.

Same guy who traded Kyle Quincey for the first he later used to draft Vasilevskiy.

And made the series of trades tied to St. Louis that returned Ryan Callahan and ultimately the pick that became Anthony Cirelli.

Or the trade of Drouin for Sergachev and a 2nd.

He's got a long history of making trades, some really good, some really bad. Can't really use them as a guarantee either way.
 
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Thomas is closer to being 27 than Larkin is to 30. Not that I suspect math is your strong suit.

And before you comment suggesting that I think that Larkin being "only 3 years older" somehow makes them worth the same, I'm not. I am just going to point out when you aren't being accurate, honest or transparent.
The trade discussions reported about involving Thomas primarily occurred during this past season, thomas's age 26 season.
 
Same guy who traded Kyle Quincey for the first he later used to draft Vasilevskiy.

And made the series of trades tied to St. Louis that returned Ryan Callahan and ultimately the pick that became Anthony Cirelli.
Looking at the outcomes of unknown draft picks on picks traded long before the draft (only where convenient) to justify a GMs trade negotiation skills is disingenuous
 
I'd guess it's more than 50% that he starts next season on the wings just without the c. I dont see stevey making his team significantly worse To make Larkin happy. Maybe closer to the trade deadline someone will trade a high end center prospect for him.
 
Looking at the outcomes of unknown draft picks on picks traded long before the draft (only where convenient) to justify a GMs trade negotiation skills is disingenuous

Value is only value when you declare it to be value, I got it.
The trade discussions reported about involving Thomas primarily occurred during this past season, thomas's age 26 season.

And who could forget that when you trade for 26 year old Thomas, he is barred from ever getting older from that point forward. But Larkin is essentially one foot in his grave and loses one point per second that ticks off the clock.
 
So you ask for a trade and want to call the shots on where you go, thus sinking your value to the Red Wings. His attitude is probably not endearing him to the rest of the league right now.
 
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Value is only value when you declare it to be value, I got it.


And who could forget that when you trade for 26 year old Thomas, he is barred from ever getting older from that point forward. But Larkin is essentially one foot in his grave and loses one point per second that ticks off the clock.
Yes buying a players age 26-31 seasons are significantly more valuable than buying a players age 30-34 seasons
Value is only value when you declare it to be value, I got it.
trade value should be looked at in the context of the assets at the time, especially when it comes to future picks and even more so later picks

Evaluating a GMs ability to draft is an entirely different discussion and has nothing to do with trades.

And again you're only gonna do it one way.

Did you know Yzerman gave up Brock Faber for Theodor Niederbach and Sam Stange!
That he gave up jordan binnington for erik brewer
That he gave up Wyatt Johnson for Cossa
 

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