Dumba hit on Pavelski

[Minnewildsota]

I never said it wasn’t.

Sorry, got posters crossed.

It was someone else that commented on Dumba laughing that I thought was you, but clearly wasn't. My bad.

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

I haven't seen anyone who calls this a dirty hit really say why its dirty. The contact looks shoulder to shoulder and while a touch late it is not an egregious late hit. The real dirty part and Dumba knew it, was Pavelski never seen him. Pavelski was engaged by another player and Dumba shadowed them all the way to the red line. Dumba only turned into Pavelski to make the hit when he could see that Pavelski never looked at him. If Pavelski knew Dumba was there he doesn't turn that way around Hartman. Defensively Dumba should never be there he should have adjusted his position to end up by the right post. Dumba was hunting him to deliver that hit.

 

[bossram]

It was late af and shoulder to chin

Yep. Definitely was an interference, at the least. Puck is gone. The puck literally rolls past Dumba before he initiates his hit. At the time of the hit, Dumba is closer to the puck. Upon seeing the puck go near the net, Nyquist, who is actually closer to Pavelski than Dumba, disengages from Pavelski to begin sorting defensive coverage. Dumba forgoes playing a puck he could get to, instead to level Pavelski. Textbook interference. Based on severity, it could have been a major.

I can see the argument for it being shoulder-to-shoulder, as the angles are hard to tell from. But even if there wasn't direct head contact, it wasn't from lack of trying. Dumba was jumping into the hit and trying to elevate as much as possible. Pretty dirty form.

 

[wmupreds]

This may not be popular here but honestly the NHL needs to do away with this culture and idea of "blowing guys up"

Playing physical is one thing but massive hits for the sake of it is just an injury risk that can ruin guys' lives and careers for no real benefit in the game

 

[roon]

Yea... don't call it a fight to save Kaprizov from a suspension

Dont call what? The non-existent 3rd man penalty or the "fight" that was really just Domi cheap shotting a guy who had a linesman laying on top of him?

 

[SenzZen]

Which one?

A Suter crosschecking a star opponent.

Name a more iconic duo.

 

[bossram]

Repeating yourself doesn’t change it either. From Hartman’s stick. His head snapped back from Hartman’s stick. The pics are posted.
I hate dirty hits. This was shoulder on shoulder not into boards and Dumba fell back. I hope Pav is ok.

I can buy the shoulder-to-shoulder, but the lack of direct head contact wasn't from lack of trying. Dumba leaps into the hit and tries to elevate as much as possible. It's dirty form and he knows it.

Pavelski wasn't even his man. Nyquist is shadowing Pavelski. All Dumba is trying to do is cause damage. If he were actually interested in defending, he would have tried to play the puck that slides past him before he even initiates the hit.

 

[kranuck]

A little late and a bad result, but not dirty. Refs got it right.

late hits are dirty hits.

 

[P10p]

Dumba spending the entire time laughing in the box while a guy gets helped off with a potential brain injury. Minnesota classy as always.

Millions, perhaps Billions of people have a laugh response when in an extremely intense situation. He is not laughing at Pavelski CLEARLY. What an idiotic post.

 

[MuckOG]

This may not be popular here but honestly the NHL needs to do away with this culture and idea of "blowing guys up"

Playing physical is one thing but massive hits for the sake of it is just an injury risk that can ruin guys' lives and careers for no real benefit in the game

Trying to distinguish a hard body check vs "trying to blow a guy up" is pretty tough. When it really comes down to it, aren't all hard body checks an attempt to blow a guy up? This is a fast game and its easier said than done trying to determine what was intent of the player engaging in the hit.

I'm not disputing that Dumba wanted to lay a big time hit on Pavelski, but whats the solution? Should we remove all hard body checks from the game?

 

[Minnewildsota]

I can buy the shoulder-to-shoulder, but the lack of direct head contact wasn't from lack of trying. Dumba leaps into the hit and tries to elevate as much as possible. It's dirty form and he knows it.

Pavelski wasn't even his man. Brodin is shadowing Pavelski. All Dumba is trying to do is cause damage. If he were actually interested in defending, he would have tried to play the puck that slides past him before he even initiates the hit.

How was Brodin shadowing Pavelski on the other side of the ice? He's literally posted up in front of the net.

 

[I Hate Philadelphia]

Millions, perhaps Billions of people have a laugh response when in an extremely intense situation. He is not laughing at Pavelski CLEARLY. What an idiotic post.

 

[wmupreds]

Trying to distinguish a hard body check vs "trying to blow a guy up" is pretty tough. When it really comes down to it, aren't all hard body checks an attempt to blow a guy up? This is a fast game and its easier said than done trying to determine what was intent of the player engaging in the hit.

I'm not disputing that Dumba wanted to lay a big time hit on Pavelski, but whats the solution? Should we remove all hard body checks from the game?

Start calling it like IIHF and other leagues around the world.

When the NHL wanted to reduce clutch and grab, they enforced the rules and now we have a more open game. I'm not saying you'll ever get rid of all the risk or dangerous plays, but there is absolutely a way to reduce it.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Hit was a touch late, but the game is so absurdly fast now it's so hard to really judge watching at home what's maliciously a late hit v not. A 2 minute minor was the right call, sad to see Pavelski so hurt though.

 

[kanucks25]

This may not be popular here but honestly the NHL needs to do away with this culture and idea of "blowing guys up"

Playing physical is one thing but massive hits for the sake of it is just an injury risk that can ruin guys' lives and careers for no real benefit in the game

Injuring players has always been a part of playoff hockey. Nobody wants to "say it" but everybody knows it.

Perhaps it sounds barbaric, especially with what we now know about head injuries, but finishing checks has no other benefit except taking a toll on the other team physically.

They would need to change the rules to make it so you can only physically contact the opposing player if he has the puck with no grace period whatsoever. He either has it or he doesn't.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

I can buy the shoulder-to-shoulder, but the lack of direct head contact wasn't from lack of trying. Dumba leaps into the hit and tries to elevate as much as possible. It's dirty form and he knows it.

Pavelski wasn't even his man. Brodin is shadowing Pavelski. All Dumba is trying to do is cause damage. If he were actually interested in defending, he would have tried to play the puck that slides past him before he even initiates the hit.

LOL. So your argument is that it WAS a clean hit but Dumba really MEANT for it to be dirty... My god this thread is now beyond absurd.

Dallas should be awarded the W. I know they didn't actually score in OT, but it wasn't from lack of trying.

And it wasn't a late hit. He checked him less than 1/2 second after he gave up the puck.

NHL Interference Rule Explained (The Ultimate Guide) - Hockey Response

The NHL rule book states that a player may be legally hit immediately after losing possession of the puck, so this is really a discretionary call by the referee. In general, referees usually allow players to be hit up to approximately 1.5 to 2 seconds after losing possession of the puck.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

The hit was late and it resulted in injury. You have to suspend. It isn't complicated.

You can deliver big hits but they can't be late or you get a penalty. If the hit is late and you injure the guy? You get a game.

 

[Minnewildsota]

LOL. So your argument is that it WAS a clean hit but Dumba really MEANT for it to be dirty... My god this thread is now beyond absurd.

Dallas should be awarded the W. I know they didn't actually score in OT, but it wasn't from lack of trying.

And it wasn't a late hit. He checked him less than 1/2 second after he gave up the puck.

NHL Interference Rule Explained (The Ultimate Guide) - Hockey Response

The NHL rule book states that a player may be legally hit immediately after losing possession of the puck, so this is really a discretionary call by the referee. In general, referees usually allow players to be hit up to approximately 1.5 to 2 seconds after losing possession of the puck.

Well, to be fair, the Wild are trying to win the Stanley Cup so they should just award it to them now.

Why the Wild? I claimed it before any other fan.

 

[TaLoN]

What a beautiful hit and it is pathetic he got a penalty for it

He didn't. He got a roughing call only for getting jumped by Domi.

 

[DL44]

Wasn't a late hit...
When you see it in real time, that is virtually the standard amount of time allowed for hits.

0.5 seconds or less..

That's twice now he's been knocked on 'clean' plays in the playoffs.

 

[cliffclaven]

This may not be popular here but honestly the NHL needs to do away with this culture and idea of "blowing guys up"

Playing physical is one thing but massive hits for the sake of it is just an injury risk that can ruin guys' lives and careers for no real benefit in the game

No real benefit? It completely changed the entire tone of the game and is arguably a big reason Minnesota won.

 

[Minnewildsota]

For timing posterity:

To the best of my ability, I tried to get the frame where Pavelski releases the puck - Time 8:02:

When Dumba makes contact - Time 8:02:

 

[sufferer]

Keep your head up, kid.

 

[bossram]

How was Brodin shadowing Pavelski on the other side of the ice? He's literally posted up in front of the net.

My bad. 28 vs 25. It was Hartman shadowing Pavelski.

 

[Hunter368]

Clean or dirty, that hit now set the tone in this series. Players better keep their heads up and on a swivel, bc there likely will be retribution and then trading back & fourth. Refs better be ready for this series to get rough/dirty, there is the potential for things to get very ugly in a game (or the entire series) if its late in the game and one team has no chance of winning it.