Dumba hit on Pavelski

[NyQuil]

Frontier justice take from a Dallas journalist:

Dallas Stars need ‘Marchment’ justice on Minnesota Wild’s Matt Dumba for Pavelski hit

Minnesota’s Matt Dumba dirty hit in Game 1 on the Stars’ Joe Pavelski requires old-school hockey justice, Mac Engel writes.

ca.news.yahoo.com

 

[Sheppy]

We need to stop doing this thing where we analyze everything at 60 frames per second.

 

[ijuka]

How on earth is this roughing? Could see interference, maybe.

 

[Minnewildsota]

My bad. 28 vs 25. It was Hartman shadowing Pavelski.

lol you still got it wrong. 28 is Nyquist. Hartman is 38.

 

[TaLoN]

How on earth is this roughing? Could see interference, maybe.

Roughing was for the scrum with Domi.
No penalty at all for the hit.

 

[cliffclaven]

How on earth is this roughing? Could see interference, maybe.

He got the roughing when domi jumped him

 

[Ban Hammered]

Nah, if it's only a 2 minute penalty might as well be open season. Especially on Dumba and that other slimy POS that was 3rd man in on a fight

3rd man in might have been called...if it was a fight. Wasn't called that way though, so no 3rd man.

 

[bossram]

LOL. So your argument is that it WAS a clean hit but Dumba really MEANT for it to be dirty... My god this thread is now beyond absurd.

Dallas should be awarded the W. I know they didn't actually score in OT, but it wasn't from lack of trying.

And it wasn't a late hit. He checked him less than 1/2 second after he gave up the puck.

NHL Interference Rule Explained (The Ultimate Guide) - Hockey Response

The NHL rule book states that a player may be legally hit immediately after losing possession of the puck, so this is really a discretionary call by the referee. In general, referees usually allow players to be hit up to approximately 1.5 to 2 seconds after losing possession of the puck.

"...the player in possession of the puck may be checked legally, provided the check is rendered immediately following his loss of possession".

Pavelski lost possession. The puck goes past Dumba before Dumba starts bracing to hit Pavelski. Dumba intentionally forgoes playing the puck to hit a guy without the puck. It's interference. There is no rule saying 1.5 to 2 seconds is legal in the rulebook.

And yeah. Dumba was trying to elevate. I said that I don't think he made direct head contact, but he was trying to hit Pavelski as high as possible. That's just describing what happened. If you're mad at a banal description of the video, that's on you.

I'm not a Dallas fan. I call it as I see it.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

The hit was late and it resulted in injury. You have to suspend. It isn't complicated.

You can deliver big hits but they can't be late or you get a penalty. If the hit is late and you injure the guy? You get a game.

No penalty, no game and no suspension. The refs reviewed it, the league reviewed it and that was the outcome. So, you're wrong.

 

[Minnewildsota]

"...the player in possession of the puck may be checked legally, provided the check is rendered immediately following his loss of possession".

Pavelski lost possession. The puck goes past Dumba before Dumba starts bracing to hit Pavelski. Dumba intentionally forgoes playing the puck to hit a guy without the puck. It's interference. There is no rule saying 1.5 to 2 seconds is legal in the rulebook.

And yeah. Dumba was trying to elevate. I said that I don't think he made direct head contact, but he was trying to hit Pavelski as high as possible. That's just describing what happened. If you're mad at a banal description of the video, that's on you.

I'm not a Dallas fan. I call it as I see it.

Then you need to look at the screen caps I posted. Dumba initiates the hit not even a second after Pavelski dishes the puck.

 

[bossram]

lol you still got it wrong. 28 is Nyquist. Hartman is 38.

Yes, I am still wrong. Couldn't see the number clearly in screencaps or short clips.

But seeing as that is the only thing you take issue with, I will assume you agree with the rest of my assessment. As the number of the player is largely irrelevant to the description of what happened. Thank you for the affirmation.

No penalty, no game and no suspension. The refs reviewed it, the league reviewed it and that was the outcome. So, you're wrong.

When looking at the outcome of any potential disciplinary action, I wouldn't be appealing to the authority of DOPS ("the league", in this case).

I don't think it's a suspension worthy hit. But DOPS are uniformly morons with no consistent rationale or really any idea of what they're doing. Parros is a neanderthal.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

"...the player in possession of the puck may be checked legally, provided the check is rendered immediately following his loss of possession".

Pavelski lost possession. The puck goes past Dumba before Dumba starts bracing to hit Pavelski. Dumba intentionally forgoes playing the puck to hit a guy without the puck. It's interference. There is no rule saying 1.5 to 2 seconds is legal in the rulebook.

And yeah. Dumba was trying to elevate. I said that I don't think he made direct head contact, but he was trying to hit Pavelski as high as possible. That's just describing what happened. If you're mad at a banal description of the video, that's on you.

I'm not a Dallas fan. I call it as I see it.

There was no interference penalty called. Not on the ice and not after the refs and Toronto reviewed it. He is not being suspended because there was no intent to injure.

No penalty. No suspension. Ergo, clean hit. Those are the facts.

 

[Minnewildsota]

Yes, I am still wrong. Couldn't see the number clearly in screencaps or short clips.

But seeing as that is the only thing you take issue with, I will assume you agree with the rest of my assessment. As the number of the player is largely irrelevant to the description of what happened. Thank you for the affirmation.

No, you just seem to be wrong about so many things. It's hard to pick just one. Like, late? I posted screen caps that Dumba initiated the hit not even a second after Pavelski moved the puck but you seem to ignore that post, so why bother trying to inform you on that?

 

[bossram]

Then you need to look at the screen caps I posted. Dumba initiates the hit not even a second after Pavelski dishes the puck.

Again, 1-2 seconds is not the bar for "being late" or interference in the rulebook.

Also, I'm not going to take the rationale of a clearly biased Minnesota fan at face value.

No, you just seem to be wrong about so many things. It's hard to pick just one. Like, late? I posted screen caps that Dumba initiated the hit not even a second after Pavelski moved the puck but you seem to ignore that post, so why bother trying to inform you on that?

Why do you ignore that your reasoning for not being interference (the time elapsed) is not actually a rationale in the rulebook?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Maybe a hair late but i think the right call was made. The injury occurred when his head his the ice, looked bad.

 

[63firebird]

I love how the whole ESPN crew condemned the hit as predatory. But the refs amazingly made the correct call . Leah Hextall calling it a head shot.
This is what a predatory, blindside, attempt to injure dirty hit looks like.

 

[OVO16]

Clean or dirty, that hit now set the tone in this series. Players better keep their heads up and on a swivel, bc there likely will be retribution and then trading back & fourth. Refs better be ready for this series to get rough/dirty, there is the potential for things to get very ugly in a game (or the entire series) if its late in the game and one team has no chance of winning it.

Outside of Faksa, Dallas wasn't really hitting like that.

I dont think Dallas has the guns to match physically.

 

[63firebird]

This may not be popular here but honestly the NHL needs to do away with this culture and idea of "blowing guys up"

Playing physical is one thing but massive hits for the sake of it is just an injury risk that can ruin guys' lives and careers for no real benefit in the game

I agree totally. Predatory hits should be removed.https://youtu.be/tKSVnrQ9fBY

 

[Minnewildsota]

Again, 1-2 seconds is not the bar for "being late" or interference in the rulebook.

Also, I'm not going to take the rationale of a clearly biased Minnesota fan at face value.


Why do you ignore that your reasoning for not being interference (the time elapsed) is not actually a rationale in the rulebook?

Have you read the rulebook?

A “late hit” is defined as a hit where the opponent has released the puck and the offending player does not make immediate contact with the opposing player. Immediate contact is best described as contact occurring within a maximum distance of an arm and stick length between the puck carrier and the player delivering the check, at the instant the puck has been released.

Dumba was in that distance.

 

[63firebird]

Frontier justice take from a Dallas journalist:

Dallas Stars need ‘Marchment’ justice on Minnesota Wild’s Matt Dumba for Pavelski hit

Minnesota’s Matt Dumba dirty hit in Game 1 on the Stars’ Joe Pavelski requires old-school hockey justice, Mac Engel writes.

ca.news.yahoo.com

What a clown.

 

[lomiller1]

Repeating yourself doesn’t change it either. From Hartman’s stick. His head snapped back from Hartman’s stick. The pics are posted.

How are you going to see something like that from a still pic? Answer, you can't. You need to look at how violently the head gets snapped back. A stick will cause you to flinch, but it won't drive a players head back with that type of force. The only thing that can impact that much impact is Dumba's shoulder.

 

[AKL]

No penalties, no fines, no suspensions, yet people still crying bloody murder over a good, hard, clean hit.

Keep your head up grandpa.

 

[Minnewildsota]

How are you going to see something like that from a still pic? Answer, you can't. You need to look at how violently the head gets snapped back. A stick will cause you to flinch, but it won't drive a players head back with that type of force. The only thing that can impact that much impact is Dumba's shoulder.

lol tell that to anyone who's gotten a stick to the face.

 

[sepster]

Have you read the rulebook?

A “late hit” is defined as a hit where the opponent has released the puck and the offending player does not make immediate contact with the opposing player. Immediate contact is best described as contact occurring within a maximum distance of an arm and stick length between the puck carrier and the player delivering the check, at the instant the puck has been released.

Dumba was in that distance.

NHL Rulebook? Irrelevant, inadmissible.

 

[bossram]

Have you read the rulebook?

A “late hit” is defined as a hit where the opponent has released the puck and the offending player does not make immediate contact with the opposing player. Immediate contact is best described as contact occurring within a maximum distance of an arm and stick length between the puck carrier and the player delivering the check, at the instant the puck has been released.

Dumba was in that distance.

1. Then why do you keep referencing this 1-2 second rationale? Now you pivot to citing the "arm and stick length" reasoning. You're pivoting/moving the goal posts because your original reasoning was wrong.

2. "...at the instant the puck has been released". The instant the puck was released, Dumba had not yet got into his brace position to hit Pavelski.

I'm also not really going to give Dumba the benefit of the doubt here. He has a history of dirty hits. Including an extremely dirty head shot on O'Connor two weeks ago.

NHL Rulebook? Irrelevant, inadmissible.

Except this same guy, for multiple posts, was citing a 1-2 second rule as coming "from the rulebook", when it wasn't.