Rumor: Ducks trying to unload a contract in order to re-sign Rakell/Lindholm

[wintersej]

Conversely, I would be offering the moon for Lindholm. If you accept the premise that right now Lindholm and Fowler are pretty equal. And that you accept the premise that the Ducks are in win now mode drawing the lines to the Ducks taking an overpayment for Lindholm instead of an underpayment for Fowler is interesting.

 

[paine]

Fowler will be moved in a hockey deal, bieksa/Stoner/despres in a cap dump move. Thats all there is to it.

I could see the Ducks trading Fowler for a 1st + prospect.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

I think Anaheim fans are being way too optimistic on what this deal is going to look like. You're not going to win a trade where the purpose is to shed salary.

that's what I was kinda thinking too... If they wanna move salary and move Stoner, they will have to include a major asset possibly... like a Montour or something. Im thinking something similar to the Bickell/TT trade type thing?

Fowler for a forward(hockey deal)
Stoner/Montour combo for something to shed salary(salary shed deal)

 

[robbieboy3686]

The Ducks have used him with Vatanen the past three years, as a way developing Vatanen and allowing Vats to do his thing. Too busy to look through everyone's roster, but he's a solid player and played very well for us in the playoffs (hurt this past year). Like I said, he's slightly overpaid and I'm not expecting much of a return (probably will add a prospect or pick), but if BM can move some of the players he has in the past (Brewer, Borque, Heatley), this one would be much easier for him to do.

Ty clayton stoner is no waste, he is a solid 5/6 being overpaid a million dollars, he clears the net well, hits, fights and does quite well in the playoffs .

 

[LilySmoov]

Whatever happens, it's gonna be super underwhelming. Nobody get excited.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Conversely, I would be offering the moon for Lindholm. If you accept the premise that right now Lindholm and Fowler are pretty equal. And that you accept the premise that the Ducks are in win now mode drawing the lines to the Ducks taking an overpayment for Lindholm instead of an underpayment for Fowler is interesting.

Lindholm can be a corner stone dmen, has the potential to become a vlasic like player. Fowler is great as a number 2 or 3 but hell never be a #1 on a cup team.


Lindholm is the type of guy you build your defense around, fowler is a complimentary dmen that a team looking for an added boost on their defense or someone to play with their #1 would look at. I actually feel fowler would fit amazing with weber unfortunately I don't think the habs and ducks make good partners.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Not surprised at all by this. They have an internal cap and it makes sense.

 

[eternalbedhead]

Ty clayton stoner is no waste, he is a solid 5/6 being overpaid a million dollars, he clears the net well, hits, fights and does quite well in the playoffs .

The problem with Stoner is that there's a bunch of him out there. In that I mean that it's not that hard to find bottom-pairing stay-at-home defenders in FA, and you don't have to give up value in a trade or at the very least overpay Stoner his salary to do so. Stoner's a solid defenseman, but he's really got negative value at this point.

 

[Crosbysux]

Zero chance of Pastrnak for Fowler. Zero. I'm starting to hate the idea of Spooner, too. Fowler has two years at 4 million left. Then he will want to get paid. Meanwhile, Spooner will be on year two of a Victor Rask type extension. Even without adding a plus to Spooner, the Bruins probably win only one or two of the next 5 years on the deal. If I'm Sweeney, I see there are very few teams with the cap space to take on Fowler, and I am putting the screws to the Ducks.

Boston is an ideal fit due to Pastrnak, Spooner and your guys depth at Forward. There are plenty of teams interested in Fowler and have been associated with him in trade rumors. Teams will make subsequent moves if needed to fit a guy like Fowler in if they have the ability to obtain him. If a team is getting Fowler, you can rest assured it's going to be for a player you wouldn't want to lose. Fowler isn't a rental and there's plenty of time to resign him or trade him if the sides don't get close. You can probably recoup nearly as much from a team looking to make a run for the cup. Getting a top 4 D, especially young, mobile, PMD, typically take a top 6, forward, top prospect and a high pick. If it's to Boston, it starts with one of those two.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I could see the Ducks trading Fowler for a 1st + prospect.

Personally I'm all for that, depending on the team and the prospect coming back(id hope it is at least a guy that could fight for a position in the line up) .... but I'm also a bit on the side of we arnt going to have a good enough team to win a cup with the Getz/Perry Era and we should start building our forward core to go with a good group of young dmen + Gibson. We really lack top superstar power in our forward position for when getz/perry/kesler are done or start slowing down.

 

[wintersej]

Boston is an ideal fit due to Pastrnak, Spooner and your guys depth at Forward. There are plenty of teams interested in Fowler and have been associated with him in trade rumors. Teams will make subsequent moves if needed to fit a guy like Fowler in if they have the ability to obtain him. If a team is getting Fowler, you can rest assured it's going to be for a player you wouldn't want to lose. Fowler isn't a rental and there's plenty of time to resign him or trade him if the sides don't get close. You can probably recoup nearly as much from a team looking to make a run for the cup. Getting a top 4 D, especially young, mobile, PMD, typically take a top 6, forward, top prospect and a high pick. If it's to Boston, it starts with one of those two.

I think you underestimate how painful making a cap clearing move in October is. See Boychuk, Johnny.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Interesting.

I'd imagine this could be the Ducks trying to unload Clayton Stoner. Possibly Fowler.

" significant " stoner, despres, fowler?? would any of these be considered " significant " ? I'm a little worried... Is there any reason to suspect a blockbuster around my all time favorite player Perry happens?!

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

Fowler is absolutely not a cap dump, but the word is out Murray needs to clear money to sign more important guys

He wont sell him off for crap, but he will be getting a lackluster return since everyone knows he will be over a barrel

No different than when Bowman had to dump off Leddy and Sharp in recent years and ran out of time in the offseason and had to move them to the highest bidder, which wasnt offering ideally what he wanted

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

The realistic target for Ducks would be JVR, but if they're looking to shed $$$, he won't be it. Maybe we're looking at Nylander, but Spooner/Pastrnak seem like better options.

You are correct JVR doesn't work but I got to believe with all the young players the Leafs have collected and I am not just talking about the big 3 I am talking in general

With all the young players we have collected there has to be more options then just JVR

 

[Spazkat]

Stoner is not as bad as everyone thinks he is. He is an NHL third pairing defender, that plays physical and is not a liability. The Ducks had the lowest goals against last year and he was a plus 4. He just happens to have the worse contract vs. ability on the Ducks, which is why they are trying to move his contract.

If you had cap room and needed a veteran D-man, would you rather have Stoner and a 2nd for an average prospect, or Despres and give up a top prospect. obviously a speculation, but you get the idea.

Not actually the case... it's Bieksa by a mile. Stoner however, is not in possession of a NMC which makes him the more tradable of the 2. Given a choice, I'd keep Stoner over Bieksa 10/10 times.

 

[VainGretzky]

Taking on Bernier's salary was pretty dumb for Ducks to do imo.

 

[Vipers31]

It's kind of fun to watch. Fans of a dozen teams line up for Fowler, and all maintain that the situation won't see the Ducks get full value. Whether the Ducks have to do something is of minimal influence when the market is as good as this thread indicates.

I think you underestimate how painful making a cap clearing move in October is. See Boychuk, Johnny.

The two 2nds he got weren't really an underpayment for what he was at the time.

 

[ChargersRookie]

Truth be told it's team(S) and it appears to be from since the draft.

 

[Crosbysux]

Taking on Bernier's salary was pretty dumb for Ducks to do imo.

They took on Bernier's cap hit, not his salary. BM knew what he was getting himself into when he acquired Bernier. This isn't a spur of the moment trade everyone is making it out to be.

 

[ginner classic]

Kyle Connor for Cam Fowler

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Kyle Connor for Cam Fowler

I would be on board for something around that... then I assume jets trade trouba for(not sure exactly what they need)

 

[Crosbysux]

Kyle Connor for Cam Fowler

Said the trade is with an east coast team, which would put Jets out of it.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

Kyle Connor for Cam Fowler

I'd do that Connor is a beast and one of the most underrated prospects in hockey. Jets could afford it as well.

 

[SLAYER]

I would be on board for something around that... then I assume jets trade trouba for(not sure exactly what they need)

Im sure you would be. Don't think any Jets fans would be though, certainly not this one.

 

[Mike Jones]

Oh?

Now I understand postmodernism...