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I thought the leafs need RHD? Don't you have Reilly and Gardiner on the left side?
Rumor: Ducks trying to unload a contract in order to re-sign Rakell/Lindholm
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I thought the leafs need RHD? Don't you have Reilly and Gardiner on the left side?
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Are you gonna tell me that not all crows are black?
I'm sure that's what they're interested in but compromises are likely going to have to happen to move a contract or two at this stage of the game. They're going to have to make some moves to get Rakell and Lindholm signed while getting under the cap at a minimum and some budget figure they have. And it may make sense for them to retain salary because they may not need to move the entirety of a particular contract under the right circumstances. They currently have a salary figure of 64.85 after you deduct the 2 mil Bernier bonus they didn't pay for. If their budget number is say 70 million and they need 9 million to get Rakell and Lindholm under contract, if they move Fowler and Stoner, they wouldn't need to dump the entirety of both Fowler and Stoner's contracts and could hold on to possibly 3 million or so.
But again, it all depends on what their budget increase gets them to. If it's 70 million, they can make all that work but if it's only like 67 million then retaining isn't an option.
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I think Anaheim fans are being way too optimistic on what this deal is going to look like. You're not going to win a trade where the purpose is to shed salary.
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OK. we will see. Way too optimistic about this one for me. I think it takes a 1st.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Cam Fowler $4 million Tomas Tatar $2.75 million so Anaheim would be saving about $1,25 million on the deal. Not sure if it really helps either team as Detroit would still be that much over. Maybe with LTIR we might just make it.
I believe we have 7.5 mil in space right now, so it depends on how much space is needed to resign both (close to 10 million it appears). It'd be tight if we got Tatar.
Ducks have way too many Dmen as is, they are not going after a defensive player.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Anaheim wont need another D back so no need to move Beaulieu. And i doubt if Andrighetto is much of an upgrade on their top 6 not sure if Montreal is good trading partners here.
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Well there are players as good as Stoner sitting at home right now without contracts who could be signed for 1 year under a million. So what GM in his right mind would trade for Stoner with 2 years left at 3.25 unless something really worthwhile was coming with him.
The fact that as good or better options exist for much cheaper basically makes Stoner as useless as Bickell.
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As much as I would love to get Fowler, I just don't see it happening. Detroit is in a tough spot and we are right up against the cap. I guess if Fowler is coming back we need to get rid of a D, maybe trade Smith for draft picks or prospects.
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Yup as of now it looks like Spooner from Boston in a deal for Fowler makes the most sense for both clubs here. Tatar would probably be too much seeing that Lindholm wants north of $6 million and Rakell it sounds like he wants a hefty pay raise as well.
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Did they forget, or did they rightly assume what Montour says is irrelevant? They aren't going to move an established defenseman to make room for Montour before he even has a single NHL game under his belt.
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With LTIR you currently have around $300,000 in cap. With that trade you'd be $900,000~ over it. That's not somewhere you want to be this close to the season.
Someone else did mention salary retention but it does seem we agree thats not a realistic scenario here to accomplish what Murray needs
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Then i doubt Fowler would be going to NJ seeing that Anaheim would need to shed salary and NJ doesn't have a top LW making less then Fowler so more then likely NJ would be out.
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You're also assuming Anaheim is going to get fair value in a trade they are compelled to make. You don't win those kind of trades.
Look at what Leddy and Boychuk brought back. That's the kind of trade this would be.
Nobody was saying that something of value couldn't or wouldn't go with him but his value relative to Bickell's is not equivalent. In other words, the Ducks won't have to add so much or take so much less to offload that contract as the Hawks did for Bickell. A Fowler-Stoner package is worth more than Teravainen-Bickell in part because Stoner is still an NHL caliber player and Bickell isn't. Plus, the Ducks probably have slightly more flexibility than Chicago did.
So no, the fact that there are maybe as good or better options out there doesn't make Stoner as useless as Bickell. A team can still get NHL play out of Stoner. They can't out of Bickell and trying to be dismissive about that fact is kind of silly.
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Detroit is currently $4.2 million over the cap, With Franzen+Vitale+Jurco on LTIR that saves us around $6 million so that gives us around $1.8 million adding Ouellet and his $700,000 salary we're at about $1.1 million under the cap until Jurco comes off sometime in November. Then about $200,000 under. Unless we can move Smith for a prospect or pick i doubt we can afford to take on Fowler's salary.
Phil Di Guiseppe + 2nd
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Fowler
PDG could easily be a 40+ point LW on Anaheim next year and is on an ELC. Canes add to a position of strength and eventually move out a D for a F.
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Fowler
PDG could easily be a 40+ point LW on Anaheim next year and is on an ELC. Canes add to a position of strength and eventually move out a D for a F.
With the signing of Quincey, NJ can't take on any more d-men unless another one is heading back. They already have Greene, Severson, Lovejoy, Moore, Merrill, and Quincey as proven NHLers with Santini, Auvitu, Mozik, Gormley, and Helgeson as guys that either have NHL experience or probably deserve it at some point this year. Obviously there are question marks on a lot of those guys, but even considering that they have pretty full cupboards. One of Moore or Merrill probably needs to be going the other way if they are bringing in Despres or Stoner.
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