Rumor: Ducks trying to unload a contract in order to re-sign Rakell/Lindholm

[SeaOfBlue]

So you would rather have nobody than Fowler? Meaning you would rather have Matt Hunwick than Cam Fowler.

You can't be serious

Well really it would be I'd rather have Marincin or Carrick than paying whatever the price is for Fowler. Hunwick isn't playing top 4; he's playing bottom pairing with Polak most likely. I have no problems with that, but if we acquire a Stoner, some defenseman has to go the other way and I'd say Hunwick is the obvious choice.

 

[Sojourn]

So I haven't followed this closely... Will the ducks have to shed a contract by game 1 regardless of these two signing?

Also to the people blaming a player on visa issues is crazy. I can't believe someone would blame a player on something out of their control.

No. They are under the cap now.

And it is in the player's control. Are you suggesting Lindholm couldn't be in the United States right now? I don't believe that's the case at all. My understanding is that he could be here, as long as he was working within a certain period of time.

Meaning, if Lindholm misses games because it takes time to get the Visa sorted out, it's absolutely on him. He should be here now, getting ready for the season, and trying to make sure he doesn't miss games.

 

[ffh]

No. They are under the cap now.

And it is in the player's control. Are you suggesting Lindholm couldn't be in the United States right now? I don't believe that's the case at all. My understanding is that he could be here, as long as he was working within a certain period of time.

Meaning, if Lindholm misses games because it takes time to get the Visa sorted out, it's absolutely on him. He should be here now, getting ready for the season, and trying to make sure he doesn't miss games.

isn't that the point of not coming over to put extra pressure on the ducks to sign him earlier so that he could get all that paperwork done before the season starts. he doesn't have many bullets but not to use the only one he might have would be foolish.

 

[Sojourn]

isn't that the point of not coming over to put extra pressure on the ducks to sign him earlier so that he could get all that paperwork done before the season starts. he doesn't have many bullets but not to use the only one he might have would be foolish.

It's possible. I don't know.

But the end result is that he hurts the team he is playing for, and wants to succeed with. It's one thing to do that during preseason, but we're about to start the real season now. He should be here. Delaying the inevitable, and it is inevitable because he's an RFA and it's not as if he's requested a trade, and hurting the team in the process, doesn't send a good message in my opinion.

My feeling is that he should be here, ready to play Game 1. If he isn't signed by then, fine. But the second he's signed, he should be available to play.

 

[boredmale]

Any chance the Ducks would be open to trading Silfverberg to open up capspace?

 

[Mypetrobot]

isn't that the point of not coming over to put extra pressure on the ducks to sign him earlier so that he could get all that paperwork done before the season starts. he doesn't have many bullets but not to use the only one he might have would be foolish.

I don't know immigration laws but I supposed he could be here on a tourist visa until his work visa gets approved?

Bass off of this: http://www.immihelp.com/visas/pvisa/p1-visa-athlete-athletic-team-member.html

He doesn't have a contract so then it goes to the two types of evidence. Which is then reviewed and decision made.

 

[ScarTroy]

Any chance the Ducks would be open to trading Silfverberg to open up capspace?

I don't think Silf would be a cap dump. He has his inconsistencies but when he is on, he is damn good. Unless it's for an upgrade I don't see the point in trading him. So to answer the question, no I don't think he'd be traded to open cap space.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Any chance the Ducks would be open to trading Silfverberg to open up capspace?

I can't see it at all, he's not someone the Ducks can afford to part with.

 

[boredmale]

I don't think Silf would be a cap dump. He has his inconsistencies but when he is on, he is damn good. Unless it's for an upgrade I don't see the point in trading him. So to answer the question, no I don't think he'd be traded to open cap space.

I figured as much, looking at the Ducks roster seems like Despres makes the most sense trading if they want to open the caproom up

 

[Mypetrobot]

Here's a more detailed article about visas and nhl players.

http://m.acc.com/legalresources/quickcounsel/hcfparituswtcsc.cfm?

 

[A Pointed Stick]

Don't despair. Just do like every other GM out there. Have an injury!

"Fatsenburger was just placed on long term IR after a deadly bout of toenail fungus."

 

[Sojourn]

Don't despair. Just do like every other GM out there. Have an injury!

"Fatsenburger was just placed on long term IR after a deadly bout of toenail fungus."

I like the way you think. Someone needs to steal Bieksa's shower sandals.

 

[robbieboy3686]

" It is said that lemieux asked for 8years 60 million dollars" orange county register article just now

http://m.ocregister.com/articles/ducks-731851-rakell-lindholm.html

 

[Beckett]

" It is said that lemieux asked for 8years 70 million dollars" orange county register article just now

http://m.ocregister.com/articles/ducks-731851-rakell-lindholm.html

WTFrazier!

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

" It is said that lemieux asked for 8years 70 million dollars" orange county register article just now

http://m.ocregister.com/articles/ducks-731851-rakell-lindholm.html

How come my link says $60M?

 

[robbieboy3686]

How come my link says $60M?

Yea i misclicked sorry *60

 

[KaseMeOutside]

" It is said that lemieux asked for 8years 70 million dollars" orange county register article just now

http://m.ocregister.com/articles/ducks-731851-rakell-lindholm.html

it's 8 years 60 million, aka he wants what ekblad got

ducks are obviously not going to give him that, so hopefully they meet in an area good for both sides

 

[me2]

I like the way you think. Someone needs to steal Bieksa's shower sandals.

http://canucksarmy.com/2011/12/5/higgins-attacked-by-zombies-is-now-infected

Higgins is your man.

 

[JetsFan815]

How do we know that Lindholm hasn't privately asked for a trade? Esp after the Skambud comment, there might be some bad blood there

 

[Sojourn]

How do we know that Lindholm hasn't privately asked for a trade? Esp after the Skambud comment, there might be some bad blood there

We don't. Just like we don't know that Laine hasn't asked for a trade. Or Ehlers. Or Scheifele. Or Connor. Or Trouba. Oh wait.

We don't know. But if we're speculating, the possibility is that a lot of players have asked for trades. The likelihood of that is slim. If trade requests were that common, we'd hear about it. Safe bet? He hasn't asked for a trade, because there is no need. RFA's get signed the vast majority of the time, with little issue. Yes, even when the negotiations take longer.

To be clear, the first paragraph was a joke. It's absurd to speculate about trade requests at this point. Keep dreaming.

 

[Sojourn]

As for Lindholm(or Lemieux's) request, he can ask for the moon. It doesn't mean he'll get it.

Unless GM's start paying by Corsi statistics, there is no way to justify $7.5m for Lindholm. Zero. Not based on his offensive numbers. Not based on his TOI. Not based on his role on the team. He's a good, young defenseman, and I certainly won't deny that, but $7.5m is silly money, and it was silly money for Ekblad too.

 

[ForzaFCBAnaheim]

I think this article, and what's being quoted, is quite misleading though. I strongly doubt he's still asking for Ekblad's money. All more recent reports seem to suggest he has lowered his asking price. It could be that the 8 year - $60M, or close to it, was their initial asking price, but that could just have been at the start of negotiations.

The OC Register Ducks beat writer doesn't report much groundbreaking news regarding contract negotiations and FA signings and such. He more just rehashes what has been reported before. And Bob McKenzie and others have reported that Lindholm's agent used Ekblad as comparable before, but have lowered their demands since. It's speculated/believed to be below $6M/year now.

In conclusion, this article in the OC Register just writes old news. Nothing recent. I'm confident both parties are closer to a contract than at the start of the summer. I think Lindholm will end up signing for about $5.75M/year on a 6-year contract, slightly higher than Ristolainen's contract (more FA years).

 

[Ducks in a row]

Any chance the Ducks would be open to trading Silfverberg to open up capspace?

Ducks need to improve our forward group so we trade Silfverberg this shouldn't need to be asked.

 

[duckpuck]

Does anyone know if contracts for unsigned players are prorated based on portion of the season missed? For example, if Rakell can't play for a few more weeks due to medical reasons, doesn't it make sense for the Ducks to delay the signing until he's cleared to play (not to mention to confirm he fully recovers)? In effect, do the ducks get a bit of cap relief for this year due to the holdouts?

 

[Pia8988]

Does anyone know if contracts for unsigned players are prorated based on portion of the season missed? For example, if Rakell can't play for a few more weeks due to medical reasons, doesn't it make sense for the Ducks to delay the signing until he's cleared to play (not to mention to confirm he fully recovers)? In effect, do the ducks get a bit of cap relief for this year due to the holdouts?

That would be a grade A way to piss off a player.