Rumor: Ducks trying to unload a contract in order to re-sign Rakell/Lindholm

[Sojourn]

I don't think Sojourn was saying that he expects Lindholm to sign for the exact amount a Ristolainen.

No, definitely not. Comparable doesn't mean identical. It just means that they'll point to that contract in negotiations.

Considering the contract that Rielly signed, and now Ristolainen, I think Murray has a stronger argument than Lindholm's side who will, likely, be pointing to the Ekblad contract. The Ekblad contract continues to look more like an anomaly, and Ristolainen's new contract just seems to reinforce that.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

But this was mentioned just this afternoon.

That is totally ****ing unacceptable Hampus.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

No, definitely not. Comparable doesn't mean identical. It just means that they'll point to that contract in negotiations.

Considering the contract that Rielly signed, and now Ristolainen, I think Murray has a stronger argument than Lindholm's side who will, likely, be pointing to the Ekblad contract. The Ekblad contract continues to look more like an anomaly, and Ristolainen's new contract just seems to reinforce that.

I can get behind that.

So if Lindholm signs for say 5 million per year, what gives on the ducks roster?

I'm assuming that Stoner and Despres have been shopped already.

And Rakell needs a contract.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

That is totally ****ing unacceptable Hampus.

Agreed. Shouldn't that been figured out a while ago?

 

[Sojourn]

I can get behind that.

So if Lindholm signs for say 5 million per year, what gives on the ducks roster?

I'm assuming that Stoner and Despres have been shopped already.

And Rakell needs a contract.

Well, if we're just talking about Lindholm, they should be able to sign him without any necessary changes. Adding Rakell changes that.

The answer is... I don't know. Stoner being in the AHL gives us another, something like $950,000. Nate Thompson is out long-term, and he's another $1.6m. He'll be put on LTIR, and they'll be able to go over the cap by that much. It would be really tight, if nothing else changes.

I'm not completely sure Despres has been shopped. Stoner, yes, absolutely, but Despres is a player that it made sense to wait and see how he looked before doing so. Unless there are rumors going around that I've just missed. But as far as Despres goes, it was reasonable to expect Murray to try to hold on to him for at least a little bit, until we can/could see how he looked heading into the season.

The easy, and obvious answer is that Fowler is moved. The problem with that is that, if your goal is creating space, he's not necessarily the best option. Moving him isn't just about creating space, but getting a good return. That return will cost money. The space saved depends on the player who would be coming to Anaheim. If Fowler were moved, and a player getting similar salary came to Anaheim, the Ducks are in the exact same position of needing more space.

So, we're back to the answer being: . If Murray's goal, at this point, is simply to make room, I don't think Fowler is that guy. Not unless the return is a much cheaper player, who would need to have very good upside to justify moving Fowler for them. If it is simply about making room, I'd guess that Murray just sells cheaply on someone like Despres. Anaheim may still need to make a move at some point to add another scoring forward, but that's something that can be done during the season, and Murray may even improve the return if Fowler has a strong start to the season, like he did last year.

 

[tsanuri]

That is totally ****ing unacceptable Hampus.

It's really not on him.
He can't have paperwork when he doesn't have a job. And not being signed means he's unemployed.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Well, if we're just talking about Lindholm, they should be able to sign him without any necessary changes. Adding Rakell changes that.

The answer is... I don't know. Stoner being in the AHL gives us another, something like $950,000. Nate Thompson is out long-term, and he's another $1.6m. He'll be put on LTIR, and they'll be able to go over the cap by that much. It would be really tight, if nothing else changes.

I'm not completely sure Despres has been shopped. Stoner, yes, absolutely, but Despres is a player that it made sense to wait and see how he looked before doing so. Unless there are rumors going around that I've just missed. But as far as Despres goes, it was reasonable to expect Murray to try to hold on to him for at least a little bit, until we can/could see how he looked heading into the season.

The easy, and obvious answer is that Fowler is moved. The problem with that is that, if your goal is creating space, he's not necessarily the best option. Moving him isn't just about creating space, but getting a good return. That return will cost money. The space saved depends on the player who would be coming to Anaheim. If Fowler were moved, and a player getting similar salary came to Anaheim, the Ducks are in the exact same position of needing more space.

So, we're back to the answer being: . If Murray's goal, at this point, is simply to make room, I don't think Fowler is that guy. Not unless the return is a much cheaper player, who would need to have very good upside to justify moving Fowler for them. If it is simply about making room, I'd guess that Murray just sells cheaply on someone like Despres. Anaheim may still need to make a move at some point to add another scoring forward, but that's something that can be done during the season, and Murray may even improve the return if Fowler has a strong start to the season, like he did last year.

Thanks for the response.

Despres seems like the obvious choice to me, but who knows.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

It's really not on him.
He can't have paperwork when he doesn't have a job. And not being signed means he's unemployed.

I'm not buying all of that. He could at least be in NA while waiting to work out the details. He's not indigent. And he already has job offers. He could easily be in the country while seeking new employment.

 

[Ginu]

I'm not buying all of that. He could at least be in NA while waiting to work out the details. He's not indigent. And he already has job offers. He could easily be in the country while seeking new employment.

Not if you're not a US citizen or permanent resident.

 

[wintersej]

Now you're deluding yourself. Ristolainen's deal will absolutely be viewed as a comparable.

But any more of a compatible than Hamilton? It was another deal in the same range. Ekblad is the outlier, but everyone else is within a million. If you think Lindholm is better than Risto, and you should, what has changed? Linholm still should be asking for closer to 6 than 5.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Not if you're not a US citizen or permanent resident.

Not what? He's worked in this country for the last 3 years. He's a RFA which means he can sell his services to any team in the league. He could easily be in the country soliciting work, or even on vacation.

 

[Benedict Kovalchuk]

Not what? He's worked in this country for the last 3 years. He's a RFA which means he can sell his services to any team in the league. He could easily be in the country soliciting work, or even on vacation.

Seriously? Soliciting work or being on vacation =/= being employed. Blame the GM on this one.

 

[hizzoner]

Seriously? Soliciting work or being on vacation =/= being employed. Blame the GM on this one.

Ristoleinen had no contract but came to Buffalo and with Sabres consent practiced with them. Different laws in California>

 

[Freaky Styley]

Whatever the case, the visa issues are not the players problem. They are the GMs and/or agents. Players are paid to play, things like visas are why agents exist.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Seriously? Soliciting work or being on vacation =/= being employed. Blame the GM on this one.

Yes, seriously. He could be here and ready to go which is way better than being in Sweden an extra week or two. Gosh, he might even be able to attend meetings and maybe even practice with the team which he can't do from Sweden. I'm sure Bob deserves plenty of blame, but Hampus needs to mitigate any lost time as much as possible. Unless it's just about the money and punching the clock.

 

[bleuetbio]

Whatever the case, the visa issues are not the players problem. They are the GMs and/or agents. Players are paid to play, things like visas are why agents exist.

and what about Rackell's visas?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Send Fowler our way you need to clear money we need a top 4 D let's get it done.

 

[caliamad]

But any more of a compatible than Hamilton? It was another deal in the same range. Ekblad is the outlier, but everyone else is within a million. If you think Lindholm is better than Risto, and you should, what has changed? Linholm still should be asking for closer to 6 than 5.

I think the problem is he is asking for closer to 6.5 and the ducks were offering 5.5. I think if they agreed for 6 years at 5.75 - 6 they should both be very happy.

 

[Sojourn]

Ristoleinen had no contract but came to Buffalo and with Sabres consent practiced with them. Different laws in California>

It's federal.

 

[tsanuri]

Ristoleinen had no contract but came to Buffalo and with Sabres consent practiced with them. Different laws in California>

It's federal.

But the country of origin can also play a role in it also.

 

[Gargyn]

Seems clear to me Trouba should be Boston bound, Fowler Winnipeg bound and picks and prospects or young winger and picks to Anaheim. Seems to address all those teams needs.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I'd still take on Stoner for Hunwick+ if the right pieces came back with Stoner. You guys can move Fowler elsewhere though. I'd rather go after Trouba or nobody at all.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I'd still take on Stoner for Hunwick+ if the right pieces came back with Stoner. You guys can move Fowler elsewhere though. I'd rather go after Trouba or nobody at all.

So you would rather have nobody than Fowler? Meaning you would rather have Matt Hunwick than Cam Fowler.

You can't be serious

 

[Mypetrobot]

So I haven't followed this closely... Will the ducks have to shed a contract by game 1 regardless of these two signing?

Also to the people blaming a player on visa issues is crazy. I can't believe someone would blame a player on something out of their control.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

So I haven't followed this closely... Will the ducks have to shed a contract by game 1 regardless of these two signing?

Also to the people blaming a player on visa issues is crazy. I can't believe someone would blame a player on something out of their control.

Pretty sure as it stands rakell and lindholm won't be there for game 1.... so we will hopefully be getting an extended look at larsson