Rumor: Ducks trying to unload a contract in order to re-sign Rakell/Lindholm

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Oops got him mixed up with Macrus Peterson.

It would be someone like him. or Julius Natinen

Idk that it would be natinen we don't have much in the way of forwards or centers.


Peterson is someone I'd move with a bad contract, just because we have montour larsson and Theodore coming up.

 

[lindholmie]

To be fair, Kapanen and Dermott aren't really "C+" prospects either

You're right. But the ducks aren't going to downgrade. Ritchie>kapanen. Montour>dermott. No point in that

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

We have 7ish million in cap space, with another 1.7 mil in cap relief when Thompson goes on LTIR. The cap situation isn't that horrendous that people are making it out to be. So there's no force making us take a player that doesn't really fit what we are asking for. A young cheap top 6 left winger for our young cheap #2 defensemen. Jokinen is fine, but trading for him doesn't really help with re-signing Lindholm and Rakell which would be the biggest reason we're trading Fowler.

Is this just another post where we have to accept an offer we don't like because of our cap situation? No thanks, we have gotten better offers from teams, offers that didn't include Cogs as well.

The Panthers don't have what we would want for Fowler.

I haven't seen anything this Summer/Fall that said Anaheim is suddenly a CAP team.
They have an internal budget that Duck's fans seem to want to ignore.
To get the savings that they require (and only ownership knows what this amount is) will probably require one of or any combination of the following:
* Trade Stoner with a significant sweetener for a low pick
* Trade Fowler for a cheap forward and/or pick(s)
* Trade Despres for pick(s) for less than his perceived value because of concussion concerns
* Trade one of Lindholm, Rakell or Vatanen for prospects/picks.

Pick your poison.

 

[Sojourn]

I haven't seen anything this Summer/Fall that said Anaheim is suddenly a CAP team.
They have an internal budget that Duck's fans seem to want to ignore.
To get the savings that they require (and only ownership knows what this amount is) will probably require one of or any combination of the following:
* Trade Stoner with a significant sweetener for a low pick
* Trade Fowler for a cheap forward and/or pick(s)
* Trade Despres for pick(s) for less than his perceived value because of concussion concerns
* Trade one of Lindholm, Rakell or Vatanen for prospects/picks.

Pick your poison.

Well now, that leads to another question:

What would you have seen that says the Ducks are suddenly a cap team? Outside of an actual declaration from management, of course.

Maybe you have seen signs, but you're ignoring them because it doesn't fit your narrative.

 

[dracom]

Well now, that leads to another question:

What would you have seen that says the Ducks are suddenly a cap team? Outside of an actual declaration from management, of course.

Maybe you have seen signs, but you're ignoring them because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Plus, Murray did say he would have more money this off season.

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

Well now, that leads to another question:

What would you have seen that says the Ducks are suddenly a cap team? Outside of an actual declaration from management, of course.

Maybe you have seen signs, but you're ignoring them because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Anaheim has not been a cap team for a few consecutive years so I think it is more of a leap to suddenly think they are a CAP team.
They spent $64,449,421 against the CAP in 2015, as per General Fanager.
This year they have spent $65,479,166 already.
They have already exceeded last years totals without Lindholm and Rakell contracts.
If we conservatively set Lindholm's and Rakell's combined salaries on their new contracts at $8.5 million then I'd expect that at least $4 million (salary in - salary out) has to come off the books hence the list of suggestions that I listed.
You can call this "MY NARRATIVE" if you like but I would say it is probably pretty close to reality.

 

[Exit Dose]

Anaheim has not been a cap team for a few consecutive years so I think it is more of a leap to suddenly think they are a CAP team.
They spent $64,449,421 against the CAP in 2015, as per General Fanager.
This year they have spent $65,479,166 already.
They have already exceeded last years totals without Lindholm and Rakell contracts.
If we conservatively set Lindholm's and Rakell's combined salaries on their new contracts at $8.5 million then I'd expect that at least $4 million (salary in - salary out) has to come off the books hence the list of suggestions that I listed.
You can call this "MY NARRATIVE" if you like but I would say it is probably pretty close to reality.

The owners have already said that they will be spending more this year.

 

[Sojourn]

Anaheim has not been a cap team for a few consecutive years so I think it is more of a leap to suddenly think they are a CAP team.
They spent $64,449,421 against the CAP in 2015, as per General Fanager.
This year they have spent $65,479,166 already.
They have already exceeded last years totals without Lindholm and Rakell contracts.
If we conservatively set Lindholm's and Rakell's combined salaries on their new contracts at $8.5 million then I'd expect that at least $4 million (salary in - salary out) has to come off the books hence the list of suggestions that I listed.
You can call this "MY NARRATIVE" if you like but I would say it is probably pretty close to reality.

That isn't an answer to my question. It's a deflection.

It also reinforces the point that you might be seeing signs, but you're dismissing them.

 

[JetsHomer]

Bieksa is not that bad.


It would be Stefan Noesen NOT Max Jones

No one is going to take Bieksa's awful contract and his NMC that they'll have to protect in the expansion draft.

Sucks that a cash strapped team like the Ducks will have to buy him out but that's what's going to happen

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Ducks can sign Lidholm at 5 and Rackell at 3, add 2 Fs at 600k to make 13, LTIR Thompson and be under the cap barely. If the cap is the secretive budget, they are fine. If not, then they'll need to move Stoner which will not be easy.

 

[Arthuros]

Ducks can sign Lidholm at 5 and Rackell at 3, add 2 Fs at 600k to make 13, LTIR Thompson and be under the cap barely. If the cap is the secretive budget, they are fine. If not, then they'll need to move Stoner which will not be easy.

Well, no, they can't. That's kinda why it's taking so long.

 

[JetsHomer]

Ducks can sign Lidholm at 5 and Rackell at 3, add 2 Fs at 600k to make 13, LTIR Thompson and be under the cap barely. If the cap is the secretive budget, they are fine. If not, then they'll need to move Stoner which will not be easy.

If the Ducks could sign Lindholm for 5m this wouldn't be a discussion. Lindholm won't sign for that or he'd already be signed

 

[Sojourn]

No one is going to take Bieksa's awful contract and his NMC that they'll have to protect in the expansion draft.

Sucks that a cash strapped team like the Ducks will have to buy him out but that's what's going to happen

We've been over this. They won't need to protect Bieksa in the expansion draft. He'll waive, or he'll be bought out. Vegas isn't going to pick him, so it is in Bieksa's best interests to waive.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

If the Ducks could sign Lindholm for 5m this wouldn't be a discussion. Lindholm won't sign for that or he'd already be signed

Then they will have cap problems and secret budget problems. They'll basically have to give Stoner away for nothing.

 

[JetsHomer]

The owners have already said that they will be spending more this year.

Well of course they'd say that, they are already paying more this year than last year - without Lindholm or Rakell signed

 

[nilssont]

Plus, Murray did say he would have more money this off season.

He already blew it on Jared Boll and Mason Raymond ........


....

 

[Smitty426]

Simon Despres carries 3.7m, has positive value as an asset, and can be traded with ease.

Then... if management is refusing to go to the cap. Try for Stoner. Offer a 2nd+stoner for free. If that's not enough add in a B prospect. One of the floor teams will bite, Stoner isn't a terrible player after all. Losing these assets is far less of a blow than losing guys like Fowler for a ELC player when the team is in win-now mode.

At the end of the line very deep beyond imagination, there's the "must trade Fowler for ELC/cheap forward". I'm not saying don't trade Fowler either, but to me that is 100% separate from the cap issues. If Fowler is traded, trade him for an equivalent salary established LW as a positional move. Fowler and the cap issues don't conflict each other at all. He's probably their best "bang for buck" player on the team at 4Mil. Why that spells "trade him to shed cap" is absolutely opposite of logic.

Despres is 5 yrs at $3.7M and not even sure he is the same guy. His value is not positive, neutral at best, otherwise he would have been moved

Stoner will cost you more than a 2nd look at Car. with TT. He is overpaid by $1M as a bottom pair guy for 2 more years. That B guy will be Mountor or Larsson

Fowler is likely moved with Theo coming in to replace him. Get assets for him before expansion.

You guys are in a tough spot

J. Jokinen
2017 2nd round pick
2018 3rd round pick (becomes a 2nd if FLA gets to 2017 ECF)
1 of C. Brickley/L. Shaw/K. Rau

C. Fowler
A. Cogliano

Before Ducks fans rip my head off, YOU guys are the ones that are in cap problems and need the help. I think the value is fairly close but open to counter offers.

Dude that is taking advantage and we took Palms from them!

I haven't seen anything this Summer/Fall that said Anaheim is suddenly a CAP team.
They have an internal budget that Duck's fans seem to want to ignore.
To get the savings that they require (and only ownership knows what this amount is) will probably require one of or any combination of the following:
* Trade Stoner with a significant sweetener for a low pick Agree
* Trade Fowler for a cheap forward and/or pick(s) Agree
* Trade Despres for pick(s) for less than his perceived value because of concussion concerns Agree
* Trade one of Lindholm, Rakell or Vatanen for prospects/picks. Agree

Pick your poison.

Dan is the (smart) Man!
Unfortunately for Ana its pretty much what you have stated and maybe more than one of those options
Rakell sounds like he's back.The Trouba thing is the hangup. When that domino falls, Lindholm will, then Fowler etc

 

[Exit Dose]

Well of course they'd say that, they are already paying more this year than last year - without Lindholm or Rakell signed

No, they said they were upping the budget from what it had been previously, this was months ago. They know that the internal cap has to be higher to keep Lindholm and Rakell. They said and did the same thing when the Ducks needed to sign Getzlaf and Perry. So pointing to last year's budget means nothing.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Then they will have cap problems and secret budget problems. They'll basically have to give Stoner away for nothing.

Their budget issues aren't secret it's been Known for years they are a budget team.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I haven't seen anything this Summer/Fall that said Anaheim is suddenly a CAP team.
They have an internal budget that Duck's fans seem to want to ignore.
To get the savings that they require (and only ownership knows what this amount is) will probably require one of or any combination of the following:
* Trade Stoner with a significant sweetener for a low pick
* Trade Fowler for a cheap forward and/or pick(s)
* Trade Despres for pick(s) for less than his perceived value because of concussion concerns
* Trade one of Lindholm, Rakell or Vatanen for prospects/picks.

Pick your poison.

So with post in mind what would it cost to get Fowler? this team is FULL of young cheap forwards

 

[FrolikFan67]

seeing the earlier florida offer, i don't see that being viable but id offer something around petrovic. get another young d in return, only makes 1.1 this year. rfa after that. plus some picks. if its a young forward they want instead the only thing we could really offer would be marchessault who we just signed, or hunt/rau/hawryluk type prospects. don't see it being us but it'd be nice obviously.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

seeing the earlier florida offer, i don't see that being viable but id offer something around petrovic. get another young d in return, only makes 1.1 this year. rfa after that. plus some picks. if its a young forward they want instead the only thing we could really offer would be marchessault who we just signed, or hunt/rau/hawryluk type prospects. don't see it being us but it'd be nice obviously.

We have no use for another blueliner, completely set even if we move one.

 

[Crosbysux]

We have no use for another blueliner, completely set even if we move one.

Or 2... Or 3

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Their budget issues aren't secret it's been Known for years they are a budget team.

Then what is the number? Oh wait, it's a secret.

 

[Tecumseh]

Then what is the number? Oh wait, it's a secret.

It's generally 10% below that season's set salary cap.