Yes, actually. The team is not trading Vatanen before he even plays a game of his new extension. The right side looks pretty weak without him. Trading him doesn't make much sense at all right now.
Rumor: Ducks trying to unload a contract in order to re-sign Rakell/Lindholm
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Yes, actually. The team is not trading Vatanen before he even plays a game of his new extension. The right side looks pretty weak without him. Trading him doesn't make much sense at all right now.
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Didn't the Sens do that to Hossa when they extended him and then traded him the next day for Heatley?
Setoguchi is the only example I can come up with. It would be pretty unprecedented.
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I'm pretty sure there is precedent for it, but it's pretty uncommon.
Personally, I don't care too much if a player was just re-signed. If Murray feels that he can improve the team by making a trade, he should do it. Unless a player has a NTC/NMC in his contract, I have zero issue with a player being traded after being signed. That's professional sports. If a player has a NTC/NMC, and is immediately asked to waive, that's another thing. I think there is a bit of bad faith in those situations.
But re-signing a player isn't a promise that they will remain with the team. It just guarantees they get paid for their services.
We can't, I made a google doc with various scenarios here, all the scenarios have us trading Smith for picks/prospects to clear some cap and since he is the odd man out if we have Fowler. To be clear Smith is not part of the trade to Anaheim, I know they don't need D.
So if the trade happens before season start we end up $857,498 over the cap, after the season starts we end up $980,834 over the cap.
It's to bad it's two cap bound teams because a man that for Fowler trade makes a ton if sense.
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It's a tough position. Despres concussion + long term contract makes him hard to move. If you move Fowler before you sign Lindholm, you give Lindholm lots of leverage. Plus, many of the interested teams view Fowler as a plan B or C (Trouba, Shattenkirk, etc). Been saying for a while that Ducks are screwed here.
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Hard to judge a coaches system when they had the pile of crap hockey team that was the Toronto Maple Leafs on the ice trying to execute it.
That was a cap move for tagging space. Back when Burke was in charge he convinced ownership to open their wallets...
How much are the Ducks paying Boudreau to not coach the team this season? Ownership could have used that money to re-sign their players.
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Pretty sure it's none. It's not like a player buyout. Since he signed a new contract with Min, his deal with Ana is voided.
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That's not how it works. Coaches contracts are guaranteed. It would be like if a player was bought out and then signed a new contract, the new contract doesn't mean the player won't get money for the buyout
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Nothing Minnesota is paying him more than we would have been so we don't have to pay him anything.
Not true. We would have to pay him if he didn't find another coaching gig. By giving him permission to speak with another team and him then getting hired lets us off the hook for the amount he gets for his new job. If he gets more in the new job we pay nothing.
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That's not how it works, either. In order for him to start working for the Wild, both sides had to agree to terminate the contract with the Ducks. That could theoretically include a settlement to make up for him earning less at his next job, but that isn't the case here, from what we know (rather the opposite).
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Get real Anaheim needs to add a top 6 LW not trade one away. And i don't see Perry waiving for NJ any ways.
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Trades with both Winnipeg and Anaheim.
Detroit Red Wings- Winnipeg 2nd round pick or D man prospect that might not be a fit in Winnipeg.
Winnipeg Jets- Brendan Smith
Detroit Red Wings- Cam Fowler.
Anaheim Ducks- Anthony Mantha+Winnipeg's 2nd round pick
Detroit clears some cap space by trading Brendan Smith to Winnipeg. Anaheim gets a cheap ELC in Anthony Mantha for their top 6 or 3rd line and Detroit brings home Cam Fowler.
Detroit Red Wings- Winnipeg 2nd round pick or D man prospect that might not be a fit in Winnipeg.
Winnipeg Jets- Brendan Smith
Detroit Red Wings- Cam Fowler.
Anaheim Ducks- Anthony Mantha+Winnipeg's 2nd round pick
Detroit clears some cap space by trading Brendan Smith to Winnipeg. Anaheim gets a cheap ELC in Anthony Mantha for their top 6 or 3rd line and Detroit brings home Cam Fowler.
I'm a Wings fan but I have no idea how you arrive at Smith having 2nd round pick value. He's a 6/7 on the very bad Wings defense and his contract is over at the end of the year. If the Wings could get any pick they would be lucky. The rest of the league doesn't buy into the Red Wing fan think that says Babcock and Blashill scratch him because they're idiots. Would you pay a 2nd for ANY other teams 6/7?
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How do you figure that Smith is a 6/7? Smith is paired with DDK on the top line in preseason and Smith could be paired with DDK on the 1st pairing when the season starts. Smith is actually pretty good when paired with DDK and if you look at Smith's corsi numbers he's one of our better D men. Smith is in no way a 6/7 in Detroit granted that Blashill and Babcock have moved him to the press box from time to time but Smith is one of our better D men and with both Kronwall and Ericsson ailing i think Smith will get more playing time on the top pairing. I think Smith could command a 2nd or 3rd rounder rather easily.
I'm going to be so ****ing pissed if (probably when) Fowler is traded for something like this.
I do wonder if the pre-season has made Murray re-think trading Fowler. It's early, but Fowler has easily been best defenseman, and on top of that, Theodore, who many see as someone to help fill Fowler's void, has struggled. Unfortunately our ******** of a GM probably waited too long to where there's no other choice.
From Toronto, assuming the Cowen buy out remains where it is, Id say you could see a deal being made!
Bieksa (if he would agree to a move) plus a good prospect, for Polak? ($2,250,000)
Anaheim cheds 1.75 million this year and 4 the year after. The Leafs replace one bottom pairing RHD with another, who is about comparable.
The cost associated to me, would be improving a prospect. I.e. trading a B+ prospect for a C+ prospect.
Montour for Travis Dermott?
Richie for Rychel or Kapanen?
Bieksa (if he would agree to a move) plus a good prospect, for Polak? ($2,250,000)
Anaheim cheds 1.75 million this year and 4 the year after. The Leafs replace one bottom pairing RHD with another, who is about comparable.
The cost associated to me, would be improving a prospect. I.e. trading a B+ prospect for a C+ prospect.
Montour for Travis Dermott?
Richie for Rychel or Kapanen?
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