Rumor: Ducks trying to unload a contract in order to re-sign Rakell/Lindholm

[Ducks Nation*]

Did someone just compare pre-madonna schultz to montour. Good thing Montour is developing the right way and not crying about not playing top line minutes on the Ducks already. Trade me! Waaaahhhhhh

 

[JetsHomer]

Did someone just compare pre-madonna schultz to montour. Good thing Montour is developing the right way and not crying about not playing top line minutes on the Ducks already. Trade me! Waaaahhhhhh

When did Schultz request a trade?

 

[Kahvi]

Did someone just compare pre-madonna schultz to montour. Good thing Montour is developing the right way and not crying about not playing top line minutes on the Ducks already. Trade me! Waaaahhhhhh

For a minute I thought something had happened between Madonna and Schultz, and that ruined his development

 

[Henkka]

Let's play with some salaries to help the Ducks.

Fowler (4.0M) + Stoner (3.25M) to Detroit

Tatar (2.75M) + Ericsson (4.25M) + Pulkkinen (809k) to Anaheim

Detroit eats Stoner and Anaheim get real usage for those millions.

Tatar - Getzlaf - Pulkkinen
Cogliano - Kesler - Silfverberg
Raymond - Rakell - Perry
Garbutt - Vermette - Bergenheim
(Wagner, Boll, LTIR-Thompson)

Lindholm - Manson
Ericsson - Vatanen
Despres - Bieksa
(Theodore, Holzer)

 

[Kalv]

Let's play with some salaries to help the Ducks.

Fowler (4.0M) + Stoner (3.25M) to Detroit

Tatar (2.75M) + Ericsson (4.25M) + Pulkkinen (809k) to Anaheim

Detroit eats Stoner and Anaheim get real usage for those millions.

Tatar - Getzlaf - Pulkkinen
Cogliano - Kesler - Silfverberg
Raymond - Rakell - Perry
Garbutt - Vermette - Bergenheim
(Wagner, Boll, LTIR-Thompson)

Lindholm - Manson
Ericsson - Vatanen
Despres - Bieksa
(Theodore, Holzer)

No problem BUT you have to take Bieksa as well, otherwise we will not be able to afford Ericssons longterm contract and Tatars and Pulkkinens new contracts next summer

 

[McSuper]

So, maybe Anaheim won't gift Montour a top pairing role.

Believe it or not, that's the lesson I see in the Schultz debacle. It isn't that AHL success doesn't equal NHL success. It's that Edmonton completely mismanaged Schultz, and when they should have been developing him and focusing on strengthening his game, they were throwing him to the wolves. We may never know now what kind of player Schultz could have been.

Defensemen typically require patience to blossom. Edmonton wasn't patient. Anaheim will be. Development doesn't stop when a player dons an NHL jersey.

Missed it didn't you ? Calling a player a top prospect base on the AHL doesn't always work . Montour Has done well to date but he is still a B prospect until he proves other wise . There players in the AHL that puts up great numbers but can not make it in the NHL . Lets hold back on calling a player a stud base on AHL numbers .

 

[wintersej]

Missed it didn't you ? Calling a player a top prospect base on the AHL doesn't always work . Montour Has done well to date but he is still a B prospect until he proves other wise . There players in the AHL that puts up great numbers but can not make it in the NHL . Lets hold back on calling a player a stud base on AHL numbers .

Seth Griffith scored 77 points 50 odd games in the AHL last season. Vatrano scored 36 goals in 36 games. Clearly, the Bruins have the best prospects in hockey.

 

[wintersej]

Let's play with some salaries to help the Ducks.

Fowler (4.0M) + Stoner (3.25M) to Detroit

Tatar (2.75M) + Ericsson (4.25M) + Pulkkinen (809k) to Anaheim

Detroit eats Stoner and Anaheim get real usage for those millions.

Tatar - Getzlaf - Pulkkinen
Cogliano - Kesler - Silfverberg
Raymond - Rakell - Perry
Garbutt - Vermette - Bergenheim
(Wagner, Boll, LTIR-Thompson)

Lindholm - Manson
Ericsson - Vatanen
Despres - Bieksa
(Theodore, Holzer)

Detroit just can't help the Ducks enough salary wise.

 

[Vipers31]

Missed it didn't you ? Calling a player a top prospect base on the AHL doesn't always work . Montour Has done well to date but he is still a B prospect until he proves other wise . There players in the AHL that puts up great numbers but can not make it in the NHL . Lets hold back on calling a player a stud base on AHL numbers .

He didn't miss it, he specifically addressed it. Prospects are always prospects, no matter whether they are A/B/C prospects - with virtually all of them, there is a risk of them not panning out. One guy with great AHL stats not panning out doesn't mean that his AHL stats were meaningless, or that he wasn't a great prospect at the time. Him not living up to potential is a natural risk to any prospect and may just as well come down to the poor development that was rather obvious in that case.

 

[King In The North]

So, maybe Anaheim won't gift Montour a top pairing role.

Believe it or not, that's the lesson I see in the Schultz debacle. It isn't that AHL success doesn't equal NHL success. It's that Edmonton completely mismanaged Schultz, and when they should have been developing him and focusing on strengthening his game, they were throwing him to the wolves. We may never know now what kind of player Schultz could have been.

Defensemen typically require patience to blossom. Edmonton wasn't patient. Anaheim will be. Development doesn't stop when a player dons an NHL jersey.

"Norris Potential" before he even plays a game..

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

Let's play with some salaries to help the Ducks.

Fowler (4.0M) + Stoner (3.25M) to Detroit

Tatar (2.75M) + Ericsson (4.25M) + Pulkkinen (809k) to Anaheim

Detroit eats Stoner and Anaheim get real usage for those millions.

Tatar - Getzlaf - Pulkkinen
Cogliano - Kesler - Silfverberg
Raymond - Rakell - Perry
Garbutt - Vermette - Bergenheim
(Wagner, Boll, LTIR-Thompson)

Lindholm - Manson
Ericsson - Vatanen
Despres - Bieksa
(Theodore, Holzer)

ANA NEEDS to move money out to sign Lindholm per their internal budget

How in the hell does an even money trade swap help them here in that regard?

Anaheim needs to CUT payroll. Not re-arrange deck chairs on the Titanic

 

[Exit Dose]

For a minute I thought something had happened between Madonna and Schultz, and that ruined his development

Well, it ruined Guy Ritchie's development.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

It's at the point where we are all just waiting for the GM's to read our Spooner and prospect for Fowler thread and make the trade already!

Haha exactly.

But we need a certain someone's name on a new contract before making a Fowler trade.

 

[Freudian]

Murray: Can you help a brother out here?
29 GMs: Nope.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Missed it didn't you ? Calling a player a top prospect base on the AHL doesn't always work . Montour Has done well to date but he is still a B prospect until he proves other wise . There players in the AHL that puts up great numbers but can not make it in the NHL . Lets hold back on calling a player a stud base on AHL numbers .

He has been a stud at every level he has played at, he may not be a NHL stud yet... but he is certainly a stud. So is every prospect a b prospect till they play in the nhl or?


I mean if he plays in the NHL and earns a spot isn't he just an NHL player at that point. Ill agree the ratings are pointless unless they make it at the NHL level but to disqualify players because they haven't performed at a NHL level is kinda laughable too. The team values him high and that's all that matter really, even if some scouts think he is a "b" level prospect doesn't mean he should be a throw in.

 

[Sojourn]

Missed it didn't you ? Calling a player a top prospect base on the AHL doesn't always work . Montour Has done well to date but he is still a B prospect until he proves other wise . There players in the AHL that puts up great numbers but can not make it in the NHL . Lets hold back on calling a player a stud base on AHL numbers .

Pretty sure I addressed that.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

What teams are looking for a Fowler type dman?

Buffalo is and I'm saying Girgensons for Fowler but people are telling me it will take a lot more than that. I say beggars can't be choosers.

 

[dracom]

What teams are looking for a Fowler type dman?

Buffalo is and I'm saying Girgensons for Fowler but people are telling me it will take a lot more than that. I say beggars can't be choosers.

When did we start begging for teams to take Fowler?

 

[AustonsNostrils]

When did we start begging for teams to take Fowler?

um, when you sign Lindholm and Rackell you're going to be capped out and it seems to be an accepted fact that Anaheim ownership won't spend $73M on payroll. Some dman is going and nobody's taking Bieksa so .........

 

[dracom]

um, when you sign Lindholm and Rackell you're going to be capped out and it seems to be an accepted fact that Anaheim ownership won't spend $73M on payroll. Some dman is going and nobody's taking Bieksa so .........

1) it's already known we have more money to spend than in previous years.

2) we can trade Stoner or Despres if need be before Fowler. We would have to add to them though.

3) if we're moving Fowler, it would be for someone like Spooner, who is cheap and can help put up points.

Love it when non-ducks fans try to act like they know this team and its situation.

 

[xxreact9]

um, when you sign Lindholm and Rackell you're going to be capped out and it seems to be an accepted fact that Anaheim ownership won't spend $73M on payroll. Some dman is going and nobody's taking Bieksa so .........

Moving Simon Despres clears more than enough space for both Rakell and Lindholm. They are in no way beggars to move Fowler. That's an aside move if the GM deems it needs more scoring, combined with expansion draft and eventually re-sign cost factors.

 

[BB88]

1) it's already known we have more money to spend than in previous years.

2) we can trade Stoner or Despres if need be before Fowler. We would have to add to them though.

3) if we're moving Fowler, it would be for someone like Spooner, who is cheap and can help put up points.

Love it when non-ducks fans try to act like they know this team and its situation.

Stoner was just waived, good luck with trading him, Despres is signed longterm and has injury questions today.
It's October 6th, not enough cap space to sign Lindholm and Rakell, I'd say it's not ideal situation.

 

[nbducksfan19]

um, when you sign Lindholm and Rackell you're going to be capped out and it seems to be an accepted fact that Anaheim ownership won't spend $73M on payroll. Some dman is going and nobody's taking Bieksa so .........

This is not how the market works. Even if we assume the ducks have to sell, it does not mean they will have to take a crap return. If i needed to sell a $100 starbucks gift card because i needed cash, and everyone in the world knows it, that doesn't mean I would need to take $50 bucks for it. You know, I could call a bunch of people who would be interested, drumb up some competitive offers, and likely get $90 bucks for it. Taking Girgs as the centerpiece for Fowler is like taking $50 for my $100 starbucks gift card.

 

[Exit Dose]

Stoner was just waived, good luck with trading him, Despres is signed longterm and has injury questions today.
It's October 6th, not enough cap space to sign Lindholm and Rakell, I'd say it's not ideal situation.

We have enough cap space to sign Lindholm and Rakell. We don't have the cap space currently to sign them both to long term deals. There is enough to sign one long-term and one to a bridge deal.

 

[Zip15]

1) it's already known we have more money to spend than in previous years.

2) we can trade Stoner or Despres if need be before Fowler. We would have to add to them though.

3) if we're moving Fowler, it would be for someone like Spooner, who is cheap and can help put up points.

Love it when non-ducks fans try to act like they know this team and its situation.

If the Ducks could have done this, why is the organization waiving him and giving him away for free? And who do you think is taking on two more years at $3.25m of Stoner?