Rumor: Ducks trying to unload a contract in order to re-sign Rakell/Lindholm

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

It's generally 10% below that season's set salary cap.

So if the cap is 73 million thst means their budget is about 66 million

 

[Pennaduck]

So if the cap is 73 million thst means their budget is about 66 million

probably close, but our gm has said the budget would be higher this year. no other details were given. seriously, why is this brought up in every thread involving the ducks? can it be stickied somewhere so ducks fans don't have to keep answering it?

 

[Sojourn]

So if the cap is 73 million thst means their budget is about 66 million

Correction: It means that's where it would have been, looking at past history.

It doesn't mean that's what it is this season.

 

[Tecumseh]

Hence the use of the word generally in my post. Who knows exactly what it is this season but if we are going to speculate off an assumption, that's the healthiest one to take.

 

[lindholmie]

Stoner will cost you more than a 2nd look at Car. with TT. He is overpaid by $1M as a bottom pair guy for 2 more years. That B guy will be Mountor or Larsson

LMAO where is this Montour and Larsson are B prospects coming from? is it because theyre not hyped?

 

[dkollidas]

LMAO where is this Montour and Larsson are B prospects coming from? is it because theyre not hyped?

It's because Montour is barely a top-50 prospect in the league if you look around. Typically the top 20-25 prospects are really "A" grade. Theodore is a blue chip "A" prospect. Montour and Larsson are not on that level.

And yes. Most on here assume ditching a contract like Stoner or Bieksa's, at their current price, with two years remaining, would likely cost a player like that. Look at what Chicago and Florida gave up to get rid of cap hits. It'll be something comparable to that.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

It's because Montour is barely a top-50 prospect in the league if you look around. Typically the top 20-25 prospects are really "A" grade. Theodore is a blue chip "A" prospect. Montour and Larsson are not on that level.

And yes. Most on here assume ditching a contract like Stoner or Bieksa's, at their current price, with two years remaining, would likely cost a player like that. Look at what Chicago and Florida gave up to get rid of cap hits. It'll be something comparable to that.

brandon montour....first team all AHL as a rookie, no thanks, i don't care if others view him as a "b" prospect he is not going to be used as a sweetener to any deal, period

 

[WhatTheDuck]

It's because Montour is barely a top-50 prospect in the league if you look around. Typically the top 20-25 prospects are really "A" grade. Theodore is a blue chip "A" prospect. Montour and Larsson are not on that level.

And yes. Most on here assume ditching a contract like Stoner or Bieksa's, at their current price, with two years remaining, would likely cost a player like that. Look at what Chicago and Florida gave up to get rid of cap hits. It'll be something comparable to that.

First of all I don't think that's a route Murray will go. He's spoken out against moving his top young assets in return for short term gain, and I believe these short term salary dump trades fall into that category. If it costs more than 2nd rounders or equivalent pieces to dump salary I don't see him biting.

Chicago and Florida didn't just give those young players up though, they sold low on them by getting 2nd rounders in return, that part often gets overlooked.

Negative value of Bickell = Teravainen - [CAR '16 2nd + CAR '17 3rd]

 

[lindholmie]

It's because Montour is barely a top-50 prospect in the league if you look around. Typically the top 20-25 prospects are really "A" grade. Theodore is a blue chip "A" prospect. Montour and Larsson are not on that level.

And yes. Most on here assume ditching a contract like Stoner or Bieksa's, at their current price, with two years remaining, would likely cost a player like that. Look at what Chicago and Florida gave up to get rid of cap hits. It'll be something comparable to that.

Have you seen Montours stats?

 

[Ducks in a row]

Perry to New Jersey for next to nothing is my prediction

If your serious then your one of the if not worst predictors I have seen on here.

From Toronto, assuming the Cowen buy out remains where it is, Id say you could see a deal being made!
Bieksa (if he would agree to a move) plus a good prospect, for Polak? ($2,250,000)

Anaheim cheds 1.75 million this year and 4 the year after. The Leafs replace one bottom pairing RHD with another, who is about comparable.

The cost associated to me, would be improving a prospect. I.e. trading a B+ prospect for a C+ prospect.

Montour for Travis Dermott?
Richie for Rychel or Kapanen?

No

J. Jokinen
2017 2nd round pick
2018 3rd round pick (becomes a 2nd if FLA gets to 2017 ECF)
1 of C. Brickley/L. Shaw/K. Rau



C. Fowler
A. Cogliano


Ducks POV: Frees up $3million for Ducks to sign Lindholm and Rakell, gives a chance for one of the younger D-prospects like Theodore or Montour to make the team. Jokinen is a top 6LW and would probably repeat another 60pt year playing on a top line with Getz and/or Perry.

Panthers POV: Florida has the cap space, Fowler solidifies their top 4 defense giving Matheson time to develop. Cogliano and McCann could fight for that top 6 LW spot this year.

Fowler = Jokinen + 2018 conditional 3rd
Cogliano = 2017 2nd + prospect


Before Ducks fans rip my head off, YOU guys are the ones that are in cap problems and need the help. I think the value is fairly close but open to counter offers.

Fowler > Jokinen + a conditional 3rd
Cogliano is worth more to the Ducks especially considering he is our best NHL LW who is a hear and soul iron man

I haven't seen anything this Summer/Fall that said Anaheim is suddenly a CAP team.
They have an internal budget that Duck's fans seem to want to ignore.
To get the savings that they require (and only ownership knows what this amount is) will probably require one of or any combination of the following:
* Trade Stoner with a significant sweetener for a low pick depends what you consider a significant sweetener if it is someone like Theodore,Ritchie,Larsson or Montour something like that no way in hell also 1st round pick out of the question as well considering our 1st round draft history
* Trade Fowler for a cheap forward and/or pick(s) Spooner or Tatar is fine
* Trade Despres for pick(s) for less than his perceived value because of concussion concerns Have no problem with trading him for picks
* Trade one of Lindholm, Rakell or Vatanen for prospects/picks. No way in hell

Pick your poison.

Response in bold

seeing the earlier florida offer, i don't see that being viable but id offer something around petrovic. get another young d in return, only makes 1.1 this year. rfa after that. plus some picks. if its a young forward they want instead the only thing we could really offer would be marchessault who we just signed, or hunt/rau/hawryluk type prospects. don't see it being us but it'd be nice obviously.

On the team
Lindholm
Fowler
Vatanen
Manson
Despres
Bieksa
Stoner
Holzer
Theodore
Montour

Any of the bold could be sent to AHL

Even if we trade a defenseman we don't want any defenseman back and picks doesn't change that.

 

[Mick Jagr]

Wtf. Weren't Ducks fans just making fun of Penguins fans last season for stealing Despres from them? What gives?

Despres can hit, he has size, but he's a turnover machine. They signed him for too long and for too much based on too small of a sample size. He's just not worth that many years and at that big of a cap hit.

 

[Smitty426]

LMAO where is this Montour and Larsson are B prospects coming from? is it because theyre not hyped?

I actually was not saying that. What I meant was, that is what will be asked (and it was). I don't know about Ana prospects to make a point.

 

[HockeyShack]

Despres can hit, he has size, but he's a turnover machine. They signed him for too long and for too much based on too small of a sample size. He's just not worth that many years and at that big of a cap hit.

He was fine till he got concussed.

 

[GoldiFox]

First of all I don't think that's a route Murray will go. He's spoken out against moving his top young assets in return for short term gain, and I believe these short term salary dump trades fall into that category. If it costs more than 2nd rounders or equivalent pieces to dump salary I don't see him biting.

Chicago and Florida didn't just give those young players up though, they sold low on them by getting 2nd rounders in return, that part often gets overlooked.

Negative value of Bickell = Teravainen - [CAR '16 2nd + CAR '17 3rd]

NYR 2016 2nd Round Pick* + CHI 2017 3rd Round pick*

If you are making a value argument at least get it right. Late 2nds and 3rds aren't as valuable as early/mid picks.

 

[Paul4587]

He was fine till he got concussed.

Over a very small sample size in Anaheim he was good. Then he got concussed. It's hard to know exactly what he is and how much injuries will play a part in the final product.

I didn't think he was that great in Pittsburgh, a borderline top 4 guy who was inconsistent.

 

[dkollidas]

Still think the contract they unload is Stoner...
It won't require as much as Bieksa's, and i still am not sure this team believes Lindholm is the "unquestioned #1".
Unloading Stoner would make room to re-sign Lindholm and keep Fowler for at least most of the year, and then unload a player at the deadline for forward talent.

 

[Sojourn]

Still think the contract they unload is Stoner...
It won't require as much as Bieksa's, and i still am not sure this team believes Lindholm is the "unquestioned #1".
Unloading Stoner would make room to re-sign Lindholm and keep Fowler for at least most of the year, and then unload a player at the deadline for forward talent.

Fingers crossed. I think he'll get to that point, but I'm uncomfortable heading into the season with him penciled in as that.

 

[McSuper]

brandon montour....first team all AHL as a rookie, no thanks, i don't care if others view him as a "b" prospect he is not going to be used as a sweetener to any deal, period

Point ? Justin Schultz tore the AHL up , you might remember him . When it came to the NHL Schultz left a lot to desire . Remember AHL stats don't mean an NHL career let alone a elite one . I guess you don't want to pay someone to take your cap dumps , it help you sign 2 good NHL players so i am guessing no deal to be had . Let your 2 UFA play in the KHL after all it better then coughing up a prospect to move salary so you can actually have 2 good NHL players in your line up

 

[Sojourn]

Point ? Justin Schultz tore the AHL up , you might remember him . When it came to the NHL Schultz left a lot to desire . Remember AHL stats don't mean an NHL career let alone a elite one

So, maybe Anaheim won't gift Montour a top pairing role.

Believe it or not, that's the lesson I see in the Schultz debacle. It isn't that AHL success doesn't equal NHL success. It's that Edmonton completely mismanaged Schultz, and when they should have been developing him and focusing on strengthening his game, they were throwing him to the wolves. We may never know now what kind of player Schultz could have been.

Defensemen typically require patience to blossom. Edmonton wasn't patient. Anaheim will be. Development doesn't stop when a player dons an NHL jersey.

 

[Smitty426]

Why not try and move Bernier's contract? Its one year, it will cover Rakell, no? Have a team like Car/NJ/AZ swap a cost controlled backup and give them something for it. Bernier's not worth $4M but it gets you something.
For Example: Kinkaid from NJ is $725,000 for 1 yr, Bernier is $4.5M
Now IMO the something has to be value (which Ana fans will hate) but somethin's gotta give, you guys are strapped

 

[Exit Dose]

Why not try and move Bernier's contract? Its one year, it will cover Rakell, no? Have a team like Car/NJ/AZ swap a cost controlled backup and give them something for it. Bernier's not worth $4M but it gets you something.
For Example: Kinkaid from NJ is $725,000 for 1 yr, Bernier is $4.5M
Now IMO the something has to be value (which Ana fans will hate) but somethin's gotta give, you guys are strapped

This has been answered enough times that it's not worth rehashing. A quick search will supply the answer.

 

[Smitty426]

This has been answered enough times that it's not worth rehashing. A quick search will supply the answer.

oh ok

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Why not try and move Bernier's contract? Its one year, it will cover Rakell, no? Have a team like Car/NJ/AZ swap a cost controlled backup and give them something for it. Bernier's not worth $4M but it gets you something.
For Example: Kinkaid from NJ is $725,000 for 1 yr, Bernier is $4.5M
Now IMO the something has to be value (which Ana fans will hate) but somethin's gotta give, you guys are strapped

Bernier was acquired due to his recent starting experience, Gibson has yet to prove he's ready to handle a full starter's load and has some durability concerns. Also note that half of Bernier's salary was paid out by the Leafs before the trade, he only costs the Ducks $2M.

The wait is making people think too far outside the box. The Ducks redundancy is on the back end, that's where the money should and almost surely will be moved from.

 

[Smitty426]

Bernier was acquired due to his recent starting experience, Gibson has yet to prove he's ready to handle a full starter's load and has some durability concerns. Also note that half of Bernier's salary was paid out by the Leafs before the trade, he only costs the Ducks $2M.

The wait is making people think too far outside the box. The Ducks redundancy is on the back end, that's where the money should and almost surely will be moved from.

Did not realize a portion of Bernier salary is being eaten, sorry
With your follow up its just back to the same story of value. Which is probably why they have not resolved this, I guess

 

[Coach Parker]

Bernier was acquired due to his recent starting experience, Gibson has yet to prove he's ready to handle a full starter's load and has some durability concerns. Also note that half of Bernier's salary was paid out by the Leafs before the trade, he only costs the Ducks $2M.

The wait is making people think too far outside the box. The Ducks redundancy is on the back end, that's where the money should and almost surely will be moved from.

It's at the point where we are all just waiting for the GM's to read our Spooner and prospect for Fowler thread and make the trade already!