Dubois

[KingsHockey24]

I'd take back Ilya Kovalchuk than have PLD; contracts aside.

Sexy right shot forward that can shoot vs Slow 3.5C turd.

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

it all comes down to does AEG give a shit! If they do Bluc and Lucs cuck bergy are all gone and the house is cleaned. AEG starts looking at the balance sheet and finds someone to bring us back to glory.

Anyone who argues this team is not poorly constructed and is not going to win a cup is on the payroll. This team has all the wrong parts in all the wrong places and that fact is inescapable.

I would say 50/50 it happens.

Attendance hasn’t seemed to suffer and the team makes money. Even though Blake blows his money like a drunken frat boy at the strip club on players that are no good for him and will likely give the team herpes. I can only imagine seeing Blake go to Uncle Phil and saying I think PLD is in love with this team and is gonna do everything a great player will do. Hopefully Phil smacks the shit out of him and says. “He’s a stripper he just wants your money and child support.”

I hope they care!

 

[DyslexicTom]

I’m 95% sure the Kings will not buy out PLD. This team is screwed.

 

[Nasti]

Analytics Perspective: Dubois’ Second Half Success

mayorsmanor.com

"While the first half of the season had some questioning if signing the 25-year old forward to an eight-year contract was a smart move or not, Dubois has started to prove himself in the second half of the season. Better yet, his underlying numbers show that he has what it takes to be an impactful center."

Good news everyone, he's better than Brayden Point at shooting the kind of shot that generates rebounds and his average shot distance is actually slightly closer to the net than Austin Matthews. That's something, isn't it? I mean Brayden Point and Austin Matthews are two pretty damn good players so Dubois is having himself quite a season, apparently.

This is honestly a new low for Mayor. What an embarrassing thing to publish.

 

[kilowatt]

I understand the sentiment of the article, and the criticisms are valid. To add context, FWIW, Hoven has added people to the team, one of which is focused on the analytics portion. I like to take a hybrid approach when analyzing players - and my focus is on prospects anyway. But the overall point is, looking at some metrics, he should eventually start putting up more points by sheer virtue of taking closer shots and generating rebounds with his attempts.

I don't completely agree with the conclusion, but it's important to call out the points the author is trying to make.

Woof. This whole article is a gigantic swing and a miss.

Being extremely generous and saying that PLD is capable of the 2.16 P/60 he’s put up in this small sample size puts him near 100th in the league. Comparing his production to Danault’s is not what we’re looking for from our most expensive forward.

Unfortunately his actual P/60 on the season (1.69) is tied with guys like Mats Zuccarello, Sam Lafferty, Jonny Brodzinski, and Jason Dickinson. Let’s not forget that his astonishing 35% increase in P/60 brought him up to this level, too.

There’s cherry-picking and then there’s this. Sadly, I think these are quite literally the only positive analytics anyone can even find about PLD. He’s been that horrible. Every worst case scenario we thought of at the beginning of the year would be better than the season we got.

I like your work KP but I do not like this article.

I'd take back Ilya Kovalchuk than have PLD; contracts aside.

Sexy right shot forward that can shoot vs Slow 3.5C turd.

Fiala with Kovalchuk would be something

 

[Bandit]

I'd take back Ilya Kovalchuk than have PLD; contracts aside.

Sexy right shot forward that can shoot vs Slow 3.5C turd.

How about neither? We're not REQUIRED to have shitty, overpaid lazy or past their prime players on the roster.

 

[GameNight]

This is honestly a new low for Mayor. What an embarrassing thing to publish.

The new KOP episode posted last night is a real gem too.

Dismissive of the donkeys asking about a buyout. Won't discuss if it's warranted. Won't discuss the logistics. Won't even discuss if it's possible. Won't even discuss the player. Nothing to see here, everything is fine.

and the Kings are going 3-0 rest of the week everybody!

I want to like their show, except that it's a couple of homers with Zero objectivity or credibility.

The Blues need help, won't catch the Kings. Thanks boys for the kiss of death.

 

[Statto]

The new KOP episode posted last night is a real gem too.

Dismissive of the donkeys asking about a buyout. Won't discuss if it's warranted. Won't discuss the logistics. Won't even discuss if it's possible. Won't even discuss the player. Nothing to see here, everything is fine.

and the Kings are going 3-0 rest of the week everybody!

I want to like their show, except that it's a couple of homers with Zero objectivity or credibility.

The Blues need help, won't catch the Kings. Thanks boys for the kiss of death.

I don’t think a buyout happens. It’s unlikely even with regime change but… the reasons behind people wanting a buyout definitely warrant a discussion. However in fairness to Hoven whilst as far as I recall he doesn’t work for the team, he does have a formal association of sorts. That’s why he gets so many good guests and I’m sure it’s why he would want to side step such debates.

I have not heard the podcast in question but perhaps it’d be better to avoid the subject altogether rather than completely dismissing the buyout point of view… even if he doesn’t agree.

 

[chris kontos]

How about neither? We're not REQUIRED to have shitty, overpaid lazy or past their prime players on the roster.

Its tradition.
At leasthe kings alumni presently running the team think it is.

 

[Nasti]

I don’t think a buyout happens. It’s unlikely even with regime change but… the reasons behind people wanting a buyout definitely warrant a discussion. However in fairness to Hoven whilst as far as I recall he doesn’t work for the team, he does have a formal association of sorts. That’s why he gets so many good guests and I’m sure it’s why he would want to side step such debates.

I have not heard the podcast in question but perhaps it’d be better to avoid the subject altogether rather than completely dismissing the buyout point of view… even if he doesn’t agree.

And this is exactly what’s wrong with media, in general, today. No one wants to ask the hard questions because they’ll lose access. All gaslighting all the time.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I don’t think a buyout happens. It’s unlikely even with regime change but… the reasons behind people wanting a buyout definitely warrant a discussion. However in fairness to Hoven whilst as far as I recall he doesn’t work for the team, he does have a formal association of sorts. That’s why he gets so many good guests and I’m sure it’s why he would want to side step such debates.

I have not heard the podcast in question but perhaps it’d be better to avoid the subject altogether rather than completely dismissing the buyout point of view… even if he doesn’t agree.

This is the beef people have

Positive copium is one thing, and mostly objective takes that don't pretend to be 'the voice' are good as well (bless you Jesse for just being sort of old school like that in an age of 'plz more clicks')

"youre f***ing stupid for thinking otherwise" is the attitude that turns people off and why damn near everyone associated with the org needs to be blasted into the sun

Carrlyn's midseason 'back off guys' towards fans is the perfect example of this franchise's attitude towards fans and I think anyone upset with LAK at this point is beyond justified beating the everliving piss out of state media.

I hate that we're at the point where I'd get more enjoyment from the schaudenfraude of this team missing the playoffs than I would rooting for the plucky underdog to make it and make some noise.

 

[bland]

The Mayor is simply not worth listening to or reading. There is nothing of value in his work that can't be gained from other easily accessible sources. A shill is a shill is a shill.

 

[Fripp]

It's wild how many times a game this dude will go into what should be a puck battle and he just kind of waves his stick at it and keep skating by. It's so f***ing embarrassing. You cannot continue to play and pay this man. It's a culture killer, never mind the games lost.

 

[tny760]

It's wild how many times a game this dude will go into what should be a puck battle and he just kind of waves his stick at it and keep skating by. It's so f***ing embarrassing. You cannot continue to play and pay this man. It's a culture killer, never mind the games lost.

imo he has some kind of addiction to trying to use his body instead of his stick, the problem is he's not really that good at it, he's always so upright and rigid. yeah smaller guys bounce off of him because of his size but it could be so much more

kopi could do that because he'd get low and stick his butt out and create the space and fight for it, PLD seems to expect that he's owed the space

very frustrating to watch

 

[chris kontos]

Jmo i dont think mayor has ever been worth reading. His takes by long history are wrong much more often than correct

 

[GameNight]

I don’t think a buyout happens. It’s unlikely even with regime change but… the reasons behind people wanting a buyout definitely warrant a discussion. However in fairness to Hoven whilst as far as I recall he doesn’t work for the team, he does have a formal association of sorts. That’s why he gets so many good guests and I’m sure it’s why he would want to side step such debates.

I have not heard the podcast in question but perhaps it’d be better to avoid the subject altogether rather than completely dismissing the buyout point of view… even if he doesn’t agree.

Sure, sure, fine. There's having your finger on the pulse of the team, and there's having your finger on the pulse of the fanbase.

Not too sure where these guys have their fingers, but I bet the BLuc do.

 

[lumbergh]

I understand the sentiment of the article, and the criticisms are valid. To add context, FWIW, Hoven has added people to the team, one of which is focused on the analytics portion. I like to take a hybrid approach when analyzing players - and my focus is on prospects anyway. But the overall point is, looking at some metrics, he should eventually start putting up more points by sheer virtue of taking closer shots and generating rebounds with his attempts.

I don't completely agree with the conclusion, but it's important to call out the points the author is trying to make.


I'd be very wary of this level of speculation, and there's no evidence of this. There are several other possible explanations that are less libelous but all equally unprovable at this point.

Drew Stahl is not wrong in this article. I don't have any association with Mayor or the team. I don't regularly read his articles. From an analytics standpoint, the author is not wrong.

Dubois is quantifiably better since the All Star Break and coaching change. Not great, but not bad. That said, he was quantifiably bad before, so he's gone from shitty before the break to not bad after the break.

People here don't want to hear it, so any article that's not critical of Dubois is automatically wrong.

 

[bland]

Drew Stahl is not wrong in this article. I don't have any association with Mayor or the team. I don't regularly read his articles. From an analytics standpoint, the author is not wrong.

Dubois is quantifiably better since the All Star Break and coaching change. Not great, but not bad. That said, he was quantifiably bad before, so he's gone from shitty before the break to not bad after the break.

People here don't want to hear it, so any article that's not critical of Dubois is automatically wrong.

Because "not bad" is entirely too lenient.

He is the least effective player on the ice, night after night. Looking for an analytic to argue in the opposition isn't about trying to reach the truth of the situation, its grasping at straws for an excuse.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Drew Stahl is not wrong in this article. I don't have any association with Mayor or the team. I don't regularly read his articles. From an analytics standpoint, the author is not wrong.

Dubois is quantifiably better since the All Star Break and coaching change. Not great, but not bad. That said, he was quantifiably bad before, so he's gone from shitty before the break to not bad after the break.

People here don't want to hear it, so any article that's not critical of Dubois is automatically wrong.

The title suggests he's been successful and while the premises are objectively correct you and I both know that cherry picking a metric into "auston matthews does this, Brayden Point does this" is an incredibly rosy leap towards trying to make the guy look good.

I have no bone to pick with the author directly but it's a f***ing fluff piece that, in context, is more state media "see this guy is actually good" bullshit. The premises are 'wow look his scoring pace is temporarily actually over 50 points, his plus minus in the same small stretch is finally positive, he shoots close to the net and creates rebounds, and he's hitting people now'. That's success? Relatively to like, me playing in his spot, sure.

f*** off with the idea that we can't think for ourselves, by the way. We're just not all so easily swayed into believing all is well because some cherry picked metrics have improved. The author isn't 'wrong', but he IS selective and painting a particular picture.

how about this--in that same time period, he's got the cushiest zone starts of any regular forward on the team (nearly 60% ozone start %, not asked to PK or do defensive work) and it's not remotely close AND in some of the softest competition on the team and he's STILL in the bottom third of scoring chances % and halfway down the shot attempts and GF% somehow. That's impressive. It's Erik Karlsson's deployment and defensive results without much semblance of offense. Success!

 

[fivehole32]

My eye test is this, metrics notwithstanding, PLD coasts through the neutral zone on every backcheck and looks around like he is confused in the defensive zone. Offensively he looks better when someone else is driving the play and he is the pass recipient. He doesn't look hesitant to shoot, but he doesn't put the effort in to create his own shot.

 

[BigBrown]

There's no denying he is way better in the second half of the season. He's still pretty bad though, that's the problem. The bar is so low that even just looking like a somewhat decent NHL player makes it seem like he's having a hell of a game.

Also, most players should look pretty good if you just scratch half a season's worth of bad games from their stat card.

 

[All The Kings Men]

bless you Jesse for just being sort of old school like that in an age of 'plz more clicks'

Um...

thanks?

 

[King'sPawn]

Because "not bad" is entirely too lenient.

He is the least effective player on the ice, night after night. Looking for an analytic to argue in the opposition isn't about trying to reach the truth of the situation, its grasping at straws for an excuse.

The title suggests he's been successful and while the premises are objectively correct you and I both know that cherry picking a metric into "auston matthews does this, Brayden Point does this" is an incredibly rosy leap towards trying to make the guy look good.

I agree with both of this. As mentioned, I like the discussion of analytics and its application.

I disagree with the conclusion. But think the topic is worth talking about. But more than anything, I think we're past discussing moral victories or the equivalence of more gold stars for PLD. Fiala was also reinvigorated after the all-star break, but he's also making egregious errors which can't adequately be quantified.

FWIW, I suggested a couple fixes regarding the conclusion. As I'm not the author, I didn't want to control the tone or premise behind the article, but I felt more clarity and nuance in reviewing the analytics was warranted, instead of a more sweeping conclusion I think was originally communicated.

Drew Stahl is not wrong in this article. I don't have any association with Mayor or the team. I don't regularly read his articles. From an analytics standpoint, the author is not wrong.

Dubois is quantifiably better since the All Star Break and coaching change. Not great, but not bad. That said, he was quantifiably bad before, so he's gone from shitty before the break to not bad after the break.

People here don't want to hear it, so any article that's not critical of Dubois is automatically wrong.

It was definitely an ambitious article. Not one I would have touched. For example, there was actually an article I wanted to write about a potential problem prospect in the draft. It was going to explore how character and maturity can be overused or underused, but it ended up being more of a lightning rod than what I feel it was worth, and didn't want to chance the intention being misunderstood.

Not that readers are unable to make the distinction, but I had and have plenty of other material for (what I hope to be) more entertaining content. Especially since I'd be hard-pressed to believe the Kings are interested in this player.

 

[tny760]

There's no denying he is way better in the second half of the season. He's still pretty bad though, that's the problem. The bar is so low that even just looking like a somewhat decent NHL player makes it seem like he's having a hell of a game.

Also, most players should look pretty good if you just scratch half a season's worth of bad games from their stat card.

yeah somehow i doubt that luxury is being extended to players like kaliyev, and you can really pump up someone like lizotte with the same methodology

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

Kings of the Gas Station!!! Fire up the pump let’s light this puppy up!


I’m over Bernstein and the Mayor and their egos. You shit on the community where the farm Team plays “Bernstein” call fans donkeys, tell people that they don’t know anything and they should just listen to you; when you admittedly hold back info and or news to keep your access with the team Hoven. Nobody likes elitists and these guys putting themselves on a pedestal is laughable at best. What good is being a blogger or podcaster that people have tuned out.

Bernstein shitting on Ontario just baffles me. Since when is LA the pillar of high society with bums on every corner and trash everywhere. Is it because he thinks Ontario is poor? Not very inclusive or equitable maybe the team should look at that. He is marginalizing and shaming a community!

Why would I listen to or read your Schick.