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johnjm22 said:
Since the break his baseline performance has been better.

After a nice stretch coming out of the break, his play has trended down.

He looks like shit to me.
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It's rough when the last game in Winnipeg may have been his worst yet, which is really saying something.
 
bland said:
I completely agree that analytics are in their infancy - the problem is that very real decisions with very real ramifications are being made by these infants. I have no doubt whatsoever that there are employees of this organization that have some level of influence that are basing their suggestions on these findings.

I equate analytics in hockey to ghost hunting. You have a hunch something is there, a feeling, so you use any device at hand to quantify something you already believe and are trying to confirm - NOT learn.

An EMF meter shows fluctuations in electro magnetic energy. It doesn't equate that to a "ghost".
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I agree with this in general. If we're talking about working backwards, where a conclusion is made, and people look for evidence to back up their statement, I agree that's misleading.
bland said:
A registered failed zone exit that doesn't lead to a scoring chance against doesn't mean that the player made an error on par with one that does lead to a goal.

In this case, a Dubois shot on goal that leaves a rebound that could potentially lead to something - but doesn't - isn't necessarily a better thing than holding the puck and making a play. In the end, its a "so what?" stat.
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In regards to Dubois, I agree. Not only because of what I observe, but there aren't a lot of analytics that go along with what was presented to demonstrate he's performing at an acceptable level. If there were more analytics, or if it was presented on a different player, I'd be interested in seeing it, if anything, just to see it and how it compares to others.
bland said:
Ultimately the goal of analytics here is to create a blueprint of how and what players should do to create something positive. Its to positively influence the game.

But ask yourself if you really want to watch that kind of game in the first place. Do we want to see robotic sequences of players thinking in terms of percentages or do we want to see players exhibiting read and react skill and the passion to challenge them? Do we want more Matt Roys than Quinn Hughes'?

Besides, the second somebody does something that works we know that there is a cottage industry of coaches working on methods to nullify it. Its a cyclical game, read and react at all levels. So the whole point of "perfection" is moot as the game will just keep evolving.
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Haven't we already been seeing this though? The Devils implemented a trap system that, coupled with Brodeur, brought them cups well before analytics was used. The left wing lock was used until there was more diversity in handedness. Players play a system that coaches design where they believe it will yield more goals for than against. And players who don't adhere to that system (or can't outscore their deficiencies) get reduced ice time or benched.

As you said, things change and evolve. They have been since before analytics were a thing. They just give us the opportunity to look at the same events from a different angle. And I think just like anything else, the organizations that utilize their resources more efficiently (including analytics) will end up prevailing more often than those who don't.
 
lumbergh said:
No. It's only because it's an article not ripping Dubois to pieces. Expectations are out of whack for him, so an article that says he's been okay cannot possibly be correct.
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You might be the only one defending his expectations right now.

No one has a problem saying he's been 'okay.'

That's not what the article's title or argument is. The word "success" is literally in the title. And for the entire second half. It's misleading.

It sounds like you're dug in on defending this one, though, and accusing the entire forum of having no brain, so...have fun with that.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
You might be the only one defending his expectations right now.

No one has a problem saying he's been 'okay.'

That's not what the article's title or argument is. The word "success" is literally in the title. And for the entire second half. It's misleading.

It sounds like you're dug in on defending this one, though, and accusing the entire forum of having no brain, so...have fun with that.
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I mean I have a 1/8 functioning brain due to being kicked and punched in the head a lot but you would have to be scientifically stupid to defend that position.


If you want an explanation on scientifically stupid give me a few minutes I need to make it up.
 
King'sPawn said:
I agree with this in general. If we're talking about working backwards, where a conclusion is made, and people look for evidence to back up their statement, I agree that's misleading.

In regards to Dubois, I agree. Not only because of what I observe, but there aren't a lot of analytics that go along with what was presented to demonstrate he's performing at an acceptable level. If there were more analytics, or if it was presented on a different player, I'd be interested in seeing it, if anything, just to see it and how it compares to others.
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Dubois at even strength:
Before break (48 games), 40% goal for percentage, PDO 0.950, 1.61 points per 60 minutes (8th)
After break (27 games), 58% goals for percentage, PDO 1.016, 2.0 points per 60 minute (5th)

He's quantifiably better after the break, offensively and defensively. Basically the worst forward on the team before the break, now pulling his weight.
 
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I dunno we play the Sharks tonight so he might get the 2 points and we play Chicago the last game of the season so I don't think Iafallo's average career year is out of reach for PLD

Now if we could only get him to show up to games that matter maybe these STUNNING metrics would mean something

and i'm sorry (not really) but this just looks f***ing hilarious

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Double digits all over...but only one of them is in the reverse direction
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
I dunno we play the Sharks tonight so he might get the 2 points and we play Chicago the last game of the season so I don't think Iafallo's average career year is out of reach for PLD

Now if we could only get him to show up to games that matter maybe these STUNNING metrics would mean something

and i'm sorry (not really) but this just looks f***ing hilarious

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Double digits all over...but only one of them is in the reverse direction
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That’s actually improved since something like the all star break.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Yeah he's no longer David Clarkson, just Mario Lemieux vs. lottery teams and Ville Leino vs. any other team that can fog a mirror and so much as stick checks him hard.

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I was drawing no inference or conclusion from it, just pointing it out. Some would suggest it shows he’s playing ok, some might say it shows he was even worse during the first half… pick your poison. :naughty:
 
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theMajor said:
not bad for a guy who, according to some here, would require immediate burial upon hitting the ripe age of 34
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A testament to not playing a physical game - and staying in good shape..he's had 7 seasons when he's played all 82 (on pace for his 8th this season).. and 3 seasons of 81 games. If only they would ease up on his minutes he could be another Jagr.
 
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