Dubois

[BigKing]

Since the break his baseline performance has been better.

After a nice stretch coming out of the break, his play has trended down.

He looks like shit to me.

It's rough when the last game in Winnipeg may have been his worst yet, which is really saying something.

 

[Surf Nutz]

You guys should make bumper stickers:

I hate PLD and RBB!

 

[johnjm22]

It's rough when the last game in Winnipeg may have been his worst yet, which is really saying something.

At a time when we needed him to step up with Danault out.

 

[King'sPawn]

I completely agree that analytics are in their infancy - the problem is that very real decisions with very real ramifications are being made by these infants. I have no doubt whatsoever that there are employees of this organization that have some level of influence that are basing their suggestions on these findings.

I equate analytics in hockey to ghost hunting. You have a hunch something is there, a feeling, so you use any device at hand to quantify something you already believe and are trying to confirm - NOT learn.

An EMF meter shows fluctuations in electro magnetic energy. It doesn't equate that to a "ghost".

I agree with this in general. If we're talking about working backwards, where a conclusion is made, and people look for evidence to back up their statement, I agree that's misleading.

A registered failed zone exit that doesn't lead to a scoring chance against doesn't mean that the player made an error on par with one that does lead to a goal.

In this case, a Dubois shot on goal that leaves a rebound that could potentially lead to something - but doesn't - isn't necessarily a better thing than holding the puck and making a play. In the end, its a "so what?" stat.

In regards to Dubois, I agree. Not only because of what I observe, but there aren't a lot of analytics that go along with what was presented to demonstrate he's performing at an acceptable level. If there were more analytics, or if it was presented on a different player, I'd be interested in seeing it, if anything, just to see it and how it compares to others.

Ultimately the goal of analytics here is to create a blueprint of how and what players should do to create something positive. Its to positively influence the game.

But ask yourself if you really want to watch that kind of game in the first place. Do we want to see robotic sequences of players thinking in terms of percentages or do we want to see players exhibiting read and react skill and the passion to challenge them? Do we want more Matt Roys than Quinn Hughes'?

Besides, the second somebody does something that works we know that there is a cottage industry of coaches working on methods to nullify it. Its a cyclical game, read and react at all levels. So the whole point of "perfection" is moot as the game will just keep evolving.

Haven't we already been seeing this though? The Devils implemented a trap system that, coupled with Brodeur, brought them cups well before analytics was used. The left wing lock was used until there was more diversity in handedness. Players play a system that coaches design where they believe it will yield more goals for than against. And players who don't adhere to that system (or can't outscore their deficiencies) get reduced ice time or benched.

As you said, things change and evolve. They have been since before analytics were a thing. They just give us the opportunity to look at the same events from a different angle. And I think just like anything else, the organizations that utilize their resources more efficiently (including analytics) will end up prevailing more often than those who don't.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

No. It's only because it's an article not ripping Dubois to pieces. Expectations are out of whack for him, so an article that says he's been okay cannot possibly be correct.

You might be the only one defending his expectations right now.

No one has a problem saying he's been 'okay.'

That's not what the article's title or argument is. The word "success" is literally in the title. And for the entire second half. It's misleading.

It sounds like you're dug in on defending this one, though, and accusing the entire forum of having no brain, so...have fun with that.

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

You might be the only one defending his expectations right now.

No one has a problem saying he's been 'okay.'

That's not what the article's title or argument is. The word "success" is literally in the title. And for the entire second half. It's misleading.

It sounds like you're dug in on defending this one, though, and accusing the entire forum of having no brain, so...have fun with that.

I mean I have a 1/8 functioning brain due to being kicked and punched in the head a lot but you would have to be scientifically stupid to defend that position.


If you want an explanation on scientifically stupid give me a few minutes I need to make it up.

 

[Maynard]

Kovy had 34 points in 64 games in his first season. So, objectively, Pierre has outperformed Rob’s previous big splash. Homers should take solace that the size of Rob’s current turd massively outweighs his previous movements.

You should pitch this to Mayor McCheesedick as an article idea!

 

[Lt Dan]

I mean I have a 1/8 functioning brain due to being kicked and punched in the head a lot

How many times have you been kicked in the head by:
1) an elk?
2) a panda?
3) Emmanuel Lewis?
4) a house cat?
5) a hot salsa?

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

How many times have you been kicked in the head by:
1) an elk?
2) a panda?
3) Emmanuel Lewis?
4) a house cat?
5) a hot salsa?

Man your better than that… try again but be funny this time.

 

[Maynard]

Man your better than that… try again but be funny this time.

LT has an exemplary record in this department. Put some respect on his name.

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

LT has an exemplary record in this department. Put some respect on his name.

Like I said I expect more

 

[FeartheFur]

So. You guys always complain. Just get in and let’s see what happens

 

[lumbergh]

I agree with this in general. If we're talking about working backwards, where a conclusion is made, and people look for evidence to back up their statement, I agree that's misleading.

In regards to Dubois, I agree. Not only because of what I observe, but there aren't a lot of analytics that go along with what was presented to demonstrate he's performing at an acceptable level. If there were more analytics, or if it was presented on a different player, I'd be interested in seeing it, if anything, just to see it and how it compares to others.

Dubois at even strength:
Before break (48 games), 40% goal for percentage, PDO 0.950, 1.61 points per 60 minutes (8th)
After break (27 games), 58% goals for percentage, PDO 1.016, 2.0 points per 60 minute (5th)

He's quantifiably better after the break, offensively and defensively. Basically the worst forward on the team before the break, now pulling his weight.

 

[KingsHockey24]

7 games left to get 2 points if he wants to hit the 40 mark this year. Will he do it? MmmMmm..

 

[Schrute farms]

So. You guys always complain. Just get in and let’s see what happens

Wow...lol. Thanks for the contribution to this discussion. You should post more

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

7 games left to get 2 points if he wants to hit the 40 mark this year. Will he do it? MmmMmm..

I think 40 points today is like scoring 200 points in the 80s, so this acquisition is nothing but a huge success!

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I dunno we play the Sharks tonight so he might get the 2 points and we play Chicago the last game of the season so I don't think Iafallo's average career year is out of reach for PLD

Now if we could only get him to show up to games that matter maybe these STUNNING metrics would mean something

and i'm sorry (not really) but this just looks f***ing hilarious

Double digits all over...but only one of them is in the reverse direction

 

[Omni Owl]

Wow Kopi is prob gonna hit 70 points this year, super impressive for a player his age.

The PLD minus doesn't surprise me...

 

[Nasti]

8th in team scoring. Impressive for our new star center.

 

[Statto]

I dunno we play the Sharks tonight so he might get the 2 points and we play Chicago the last game of the season so I don't think Iafallo's average career year is out of reach for PLD

Now if we could only get him to show up to games that matter maybe these STUNNING metrics would mean something

and i'm sorry (not really) but this just looks f***ing hilarious

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Double digits all over...but only one of them is in the reverse direction

That’s actually improved since something like the all star break.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

That’s actually improved since something like the all star break.

Yeah he's no longer David Clarkson, just Mario Lemieux vs. lottery teams and Ville Leino vs. any other team that can fog a mirror and so much as stick checks him hard.

 

[theMajor]

Wow Kopi is prob gonna hit 70 points this year, super impressive for a player his age.

not bad for a guy who, according to some here, would require immediate burial upon hitting the ripe age of 34

 

[Statto]

Yeah he's no longer David Clarkson, just Mario Lemieux vs. lottery teams and Ville Leino vs. any other team that can fog a mirror and so much as stick checks him hard.

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I was drawing no inference or conclusion from it, just pointing it out. Some would suggest it shows he’s playing ok, some might say it shows he was even worse during the first half… pick your poison.

 

[Bandit]

So. You guys always complain. Just get in and let’s see what happens

Is that your approach to sex?

 

[AbsentMojo]

not bad for a guy who, according to some here, would require immediate burial upon hitting the ripe age of 34

A testament to not playing a physical game - and staying in good shape..he's had 7 seasons when he's played all 82 (on pace for his 8th this season).. and 3 seasons of 81 games. If only they would ease up on his minutes he could be another Jagr.