Dubois

[King'sPawn]

Maybe if we all boo him every time he touches the puck he’ll ask to be traded.

He'll just be told we're all chanting Duuuuuuuuuuuuu-bois.

 

[ZJames]

the entire pld fiasco is objective evidence the kings management has no interest in winning another championship.

I'm sure they want another title, but I don't think they know the proper moves to make. Of course, there is always a lot of luck involved in winning a title. DL had his share of lucky breaks, but also had his share of bad breaks.

I still maintain that they should have kept GV, and tried to go after ROR.

I think they were targeting PLD because he was within the same age range as Kempe and Fiala. So far, it hasn't worked out.

To think we are stuck with this dingleberry for the next 8 years...

 

[tny760]

He'll just be told we're all chanting Duuuuuuuuuuuuu-bois.

i don't know the guy but he seems just enough golden retriever to actually believe that too

 

[OldCraig71]

the entire pld fiasco is objective evidence the kings management has no interest in winning another championship.
also its true what the montreal guys say about bergevin- that is that he knows absolutely nothing about hockey.
i guess there are shades of gray in every human exparience but the complete arrogance and total self centeredness of robittaile, blake and bergevin make it hard for me to invest my time and money into this team. their only action is to preserve thier own liveyhoods. they have no interest in anything other than this, and have insulated themselves by employing yes men and puppets throughout the franchise and its affiliates.
i wish someone would wake AEG up to the hustle these boys have set up.

I'm not trying to interfere here but you are correct when it comes to Bergevin, can't speak of Blake and Robitaille. Bergevin lets emotions overrule his judgment and that's not something you want from someone in management. When he was our GM he traded the best LD prospect we had for Drouin and that was at a time when we didn't have anyone to play with Shea Weber. He also signed a broken-down Karl Alzner(he's still on the books btw) and when that failed he pushed Victor Mete(drafted 100 overall) into the NHL and the kid was nowhere near ready.

He signed Brendan Gallagher for 6 years and 40 million and cried about it on camera while we cried about his stupidity lol and oh yeah, the laughable Aho offer sheet, and then proceeded to lose Kotkaniemi the next season to the Canes. He took the pick he got from that deal and traded it for Christian Dvorak lol. He is clueless and I could keep going but the sooner you guys cut ties with him the better.

 

[johnjm22]

If Dubois flatlines from here on out, and Vilardi continues to excel and has a great career, where will this trade rank all time in terms of worst in franchise history?

 

[LeftKinger]

Crazy thing is if this trade was proposed last season, most of us would’ve said no and would have also thought it unnecessary. I keep thinking to myself it can’t be as bad as it looks and Dubois will eventually show us why he’s earned an 8.5 million dollar deal, right?

 

[chris kontos]

I'm not trying to interfere here but you are correct when it comes to Bergevin, can't speak of Blake and Robitaille. Bergevin lets emotions overrule his judgment and that's not something you want from someone in management. When he was our GM he traded the best LD prospect we had for Drouin and that was at a time when we didn't have anyone to play with Shea Weber. He also signed a broken-down Karl Alzner(he's still on the books btw) and when that failed he pushed Victor Mete(drafted 100 overall) into the NHL and the kid was nowhere near ready.

He signed Brendan Gallagher for 6 years and 40 million and cried about it on camera while we cried about his stupidity lol and oh yeah, the laughable Aho offer sheet, and then proceeded to lose Kotkaniemi the next season to the Canes. He took the pick he got from that deal and traded it for Christian Dvorak lol. He is clueless and I could keep going but the sooner you guys cut ties with him the better.

Thank you for filling me in. Always interesting to get more info on this

 

[BigKing]

If Dubois flatlines from here on out, and Vilardi continues to excel and has a great career, where will this trade rank all time in terms of worst in franchise history?

Well, the Lucic trade gets talked about on here like it kept the Kings from winning three more Cups.

At least that one didn't include a giant, eight year contract attached to it and was made for a team that had won two Cups with a WCF appearance in the three of the four seasons prior. This turd was made for a team thats biggest accomplishment was getting to Game 7 in the first round two years ago.

 

[bland]

If Dubois flatlines from here on out, and Vilardi continues to excel and has a great career, where will this trade rank all time in terms of worst in franchise history?

Behind the Fiala-Faber deal.

Vilardi is a quality player for certain, and Dubois has been a disaster, but giving away what will be one of the very best defensemen in the league for a 2nd liner whose qualities are mitigated by constant unforced errors was the worse of the two by far.

There is nothing in this league easier to acquire that scoring wingers, and nothing depreciates faster. They are like running backs in the NFL. You don't trade franchise cornerstones for a temporary offensive surge. Free agency? Sure. Multiple seconds and maybe a first? Alright. A top pairing defender? Never.

 

[tny760]

Behind the Fiala-Faber deal.

Vilardi is a quality player for certain, and Dubois has been a disaster, but giving away what will be one of the very best defensemen in the league for a 2nd liner whose qualities are mitigated by constant unforced errors was the worse of the two by far.

There is nothing in this league easier to acquire that scoring wingers, and nothing depreciates faster. They are like running backs in the NFL. You don't trade franchise cornerstones for a temporary offensive surge. Free agency? Sure. Multiple seconds and maybe a first? Alright. A top pairing defender? Never.

not when your job's on the line! and you don't have to answer for the consequences!

 

[bland]

Maybe if we all boo him every time he touches the puck he’ll ask to be traded.

I think there is a chance that could happen by years end.

They need to get out in front of this and acknowledge his struggles before the fans dictate the narrative. Wouldn't hurt one bit to air an interview where he owns up to it. Buy some good will time.

 

[Johnny Utah]

I love how people say the trade hasn’t worked out so far? Is he going to get better with time? lol.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

If Dubois flatlines from here on out, and Vilardi continues to excel and has a great career, where will this trade rank all time in terms of worst in franchise history?

Its' already the worst, and cascades when you realize that ot make it happen we had to sling a million other assets around, including petersen/walker/grans, eating provorov's salary, trading ANOTHER top pairing dman in Durzi for a 2nd because they couldn't figure out what to do with him, etc

it was a one-offseason self-dick-shotgun culminating in an 8 year contract to a middle six WINGER

All because Vilardi was a little bit mean to them

 

[johnjm22]

Behind the Fiala-Faber deal.

I don't think so because Fiala is still an asset, while Dubois would be a liability.

 

[Brownie to Pancakes]

In a teardown you can flip Fiala for something huge. PLD is as moveable as the Himalayas

 

[johnjm22]

Its' already the worst, and cascades when you realize that ot make it happen we had to sling a million other assets around, including petersen/walker/grans, eating provorov's salary, trading ANOTHER top pairing dman in Durzi for a 2nd because they couldn't figure out what to do with him, etc

it was a one-offseason self-dick-shotgun culminating in an 8 year contract to a middle six WINGER

All because Vilardi was a little bit mean to them

They wanted PLD for a long time. They were interested when he was being traded from Columbus in 2021. So I don't think the reason Vilardi was traded was because of attitude. It was likely more so because he was a necessary asset to move to get Dubois. I assume they were also probably concerned about GV's injury history.

I'll give PLD the rest of the season before he gets all my venom, but man I really can't stand him as a player.

 

[chris kontos]

Its' already the worst, and cascades when you realize that ot make it happen we had to sling a million other assets around, including petersen/walker/grans, eating provorov's salary, trading ANOTHER top pairing dman in Durzi for a 2nd because they couldn't figure out what to do with him, etc

it was a one-offseason self-dick-shotgun culminating in an 8 year contract to a middle six WINGER

All because Vilardi was a little bit mean to them

Just to add that vilardi was a little mean to our martinet coach. Because , having brains, vilardi saw the popularity contest he runs instead of a merit based playing time/player useage bench.

 

[Kudelski37]

Behind the Fiala-Faber deal.

Vilardi is a quality player for certain, and Dubois has been a disaster, but giving away what will be one of the very best defensemen in the league for a 2nd liner whose qualities are mitigated by constant unforced errors was the worse of the two by far.

There is nothing in this league easier to acquire that scoring wingers, and nothing depreciates faster. They are like running backs in the NFL. You don't trade franchise cornerstones for a temporary offensive surge. Free agency? Sure. Multiple seconds and maybe a first? Alright. A top pairing defender? Never.

I don't think PLD could be moved even with Faber++ attached while Fiala could be traded with the Kings getting stuff in return. There is no gentle way out of that contract. This is why I think the PLD trade is much worse.

 

[johnjm22]

He should be demoted to 4th line LW:

Dubois-Lizotte-Lewis

PLD and Lizotte are exact opposites. Maybe they'll be some symmetry there. Not sure what you do about 3C.

 

[Pucknut50]

I'm sure they want another title, but I don't think they know the proper moves to make. Of course, there is always a lot of luck involved in winning a title. DL had his share of lucky breaks, but also had his share of bad breaks.

I still maintain that they should have kept GV, and tried to go after ROR.

I think they were targeting PLD because he was within the same age range as Kempe and Fiala. So far, it hasn't worked out.

To think we are stuck with this dingleberry for the next 8 years...

I think you have to take him off center and put him on the wing. Less defensive responsibility. Not sure if Byfield is ready to play center but PLD needs to move. Try putting PLD with Kopi and Juice they are both responsible defensively. Put Byfield with Lappy and Gunner. What do they say If you have a lemon make lemonade.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

They wanted PLD for a long time. They were interested when he was being traded from Columbus in 2021. So I don't think the reason Vilardi was traded was because of attitude. It was likely more so because he was a necessary asset to move to get Dubois. I assume they were also probably concerned about GV's injury history.

I'll give PLD the rest of the season before he gets all my venom, but man I really can't stand him as a player.

It just looks terrible when you measure the whole offseason against it. Blake has now spent most of the last years of his tenure handing out gross contracts and then having to wiggle out of them.

Outgoing
Vilardi
Iafallo
Kupari
MTL 2nd
Durzi
Walker
Grans
Petersen
LA 2nd

Incoming
2 million+ of Provorov's salary
Hayden Hodgson
Kevin Connauton
PLD extended x 8

 

[bland]

I don't think so because Fiala is still an asset, while Dubois would be a liability.

Yeah, but Faber AND a first is a much wider gap than Vilardi, Iafallo, Kupari and a 2nd.

I have zero doubt that this will become clearer with time.

In a teardown you can flip Fiala for something huge. PLD is as moveable as the Himalayas

In two or three years when Fiala is well below a ppg you won't be thinking the same thing.

 

[raswilliam]

*LANGUAGE ALERT (IF YOURE AT WORK OR SOMETHING)

 

[johnjm22]

It just looks terrible when you measure the whole offseason against it. Blake has now spent most of the last years of his tenure handing out gross contracts and then having to wiggle out of them.

Outgoing
Vilardi
Iafallo
Kupari
MTL 2nd
Durzi
Walker
Grans
Petersen
LA 2nd

Incoming
2 million+ of Provorov's salary
Hayden Hodgson
Kevin Connauton
PLD extended x 8

I mean I totally understand the trade.

They tried Vilardi at center. They tried Kupari at center. They tried Byfield at center. They tried moving Lizotte up the lineup. Meanwhile Turcotte's career was/is in question.

If they wanted to try QB at center again this year, it would mean breaking up one of the better lines in the league (QB-AK-AK).

Dubois, on paper, is a dream. Huge mobile center. Capable of playing a two way game. Only 25 years old. I get it. I get the appeal.

 

[BigKing]

Blake was 100% frightened to commit term to a guy who has been injured or underperforming for most of his time since being drafted.

Winnipeg was more than happy to take that chance while unloading PLD.