LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[MXD]

There's also the unconventional option of PLD signing 1 year at 8M with the Jets who turn around and deal him with 50% retention to LA and then on Jan 1 he signs a 8M x 7 extension

He still gets his 8x8

If that's the case AND we take iafallo and arvidsson back, you could include Helle at 50% as well. LA would actually be gaining cap.

To do so would involve a hefty return from LA though.

PLD assumes too much risk. Too much avoidable risk anyways.

Not sure LA would give what Chevy would logically ask for this though.

 

[Buffdog]

They definitely have more interesting young players, outside of Dach it's mostly prospects which are good prospects but further out from NHL players than the Kings young guys.

And by the sounds of it, chevy could be leaning towards the "ready now" young players vs picks and young prospects who aren't as far along in their development

 

[Jeune Poulet]

If you've had 2 different jobs in your life and was thinking about leaving for a 3rd, which offers you a better quality of life, you would have shown exactly the same level of loyalty PLD has.

It's not about the number of jobs or assignments you have. It's how you fulfill your end of the bargain. There's an elegant way to transition professionally. I have respect for my employers. As an instructor, I also respect the people who have paid money to attend.

People pay a lot less money to hear me out than they do to see Dubois, but I would never dare in my wildest dreams take a shift off like he did in Columbus. No matter the problems I have at my workplace. I have too much respect for myself and the people who give me their time and money to pull stunts like this.

Players are working age human beings working a job. Who are you to call them cancers for seeking a better life?

Y'all call the guy entitled but think about it for 2 minutes and tell me who are the entitled ones here?

Weird post overall. Lecturing working class people on their sense of entitlement in order to defend a guy who earns millions a year to play a game but still pouts to get his way.

Most hockey players are perfectly fine respecting their end of the bargain, BTW. The outliers like Dubois are red flagged for good reason. I don't know Dubois personally. He may be a great person. But a hockey lockerroom is a special environment requiring as much dedication and as few distractions as possible.

Maybe Dubois will grow as a person and become a more dedicated athlete but right now, there are question marks around him. To ignore them and pretend Dubois' behavior in the two organisations he has been part of was not problematic would be myopic.

 

[chethejet]

Nashville tried that route in adding two top centers and neither turned out to be that. Pens don;t have the assets to get him but he would benefit from Sid and Geno.

 

[tbcwpg]

PLD assumes too much risk. Too much avoidable risk anyways.

Not sure LA would give what Chevy would logically ask for this though.

I don't think he does. His dips in play to me have been related to being traded during COVID, and this year his hip started giving him issues in January he said, right around the time he dipped in form.

I think the supposed risk around PLD is that he's getting talked about as this top end C because of his draft position etc but in reality he's a really good 2C. Top 6 centres still cost a lot though so low end offers aren't usually enough to get that kind of player.

 

[MXD]

I don't think he does. His dips in play to me have been related to being traded during COVID, and this year his hip started giving him issues in January he said, right around the time he dipped in form.

I think the supposed risk around PLD is that he's getting talked about as this top end C because of his draft position etc but in reality he's a really good 2C. Top 6 centres still cost a lot though so low end offers aren't usually enough to get that kind of player.

By risk, I mean "serious injury".

 

[BLONG7]

So...........Dubois and Hellybuck want out.............and the team wants Wheeler and Scheifle both gone.........and you guys think Chevy has leverage?
players have said it's the most toxic room in the NHL........
Think leverage again...........who has it?

 

[gojetsgo]

So...........Dubois and Hellybuck want out.............and the team wants Wheeler and Scheifle both gone.........and you guys think Chevy has leverage?
players have said it's the most toxic room in the NHL........
Think leverage again...........who has it?

I.......... guess.............. were ............. just......... going......... to......... have........ to ....... trade..... him.... to... mtl..... for.......nothing........ because....... habs...... fans.... say........ so....

 

[BLONG7]

I.......... guess.............. were ............. just......... going......... to......... have........ to ....... trade..... him.... to... mtl..... for.......nothing........ because....... habs...... fans.... say........ so....

Some habs fans don't want the guy............lol
Good luck this summer...

 

[Qwijibo]

If I was Chevy, my message to MTL is, don't bother to call if Dach isn’t included.
LA has substantially better asset options that could fill needs in WPG.

Cool. See how good a return you get for a guy you HAVE to move and only one bidder

 

[tbcwpg]

By risk, I mean "serious injury".

I don't think he has risk of serious injury. His medical history I'm sure would be available to any interested team.

 

[gojetsgo]

Some habs fans don't want the guy............lol
Good luck this summer...

cool, I don't see many jets fans making pld to montreal proposals lol.....

 

[wintersej]

PLD assumes too much risk. Too much avoidable risk anyways.

Not sure LA would give what Chevy would logically ask for this though.

The team trading for him assumes too much risk, too. What if PLD changes his mind and they just traded for a rental at long term cost? It’s a total non-starter both ways.

 

[MXD]

The team trading for him assumes too much risk, too. What if PLD changes his mind and they just traded for a rental at long term cost? It’s a total non-starter both ways.

Then, PLD will have willingly signed a long term deal.

The team also have the option to not offer PLD a long-term if it's scared of that possibility (that probably means Dubois being traded elsewhere).

I don't think he has risk of serious injury. His medical history I'm sure would be available to any interested team.

You never know what happens this season. This stands for every player though, not just PLD.

 

[Heldig]

So...........Dubois and Hellybuck want out.............and the team wants Wheeler and Scheifle both gone.........and you guys think Chevy has leverage?
players have said it's the most toxic room in the NHL........
Think leverage again...........who has it?

Yes, he has leverage.

Hellebucyk is a 3 time Vezina nominee. Reports are that multiple teams are interested.

Dubois is a unicorn 2 C - talented physically imposing beast - submitting a list of teams he will sign long term with.

Scheifele is coming off a 42 goal season. Over the past 5 seasons he sits 10th OA among Centres in points. He only makes $6.125 million next season. Even as a rental he is worth a 1st and a top prospect.

Wheeler may be bought out but even though he is older and slowing down his 55 points placed him 25th OA this season. He is still a legit top 6 winger.

 

[Baksfamous112]

If I was Chevy, my message to MTL is, don't bother to call if Dach isn’t included.
LA has substantially better asset options that could fill needs in WPG.

But what if L.A doesn’t want to put Clarke or Byfield on the table? You just paint yourself in a corner by saying that. Now you either have to circle back to Montreal and look weak or take whatever pieces L.A are comfortable giving

 

[BLONG7]

Yes, he has leverage.

Hellebucyk is a 3 time Vezina nominee. Reports are that multiple teams are interested.

Dubois is a unicorn 2 C - talented physically imposing beast - submitting a list of teams he will sign long term with.

Scheifele is coming off a 42 goal season. Over the past 5 seasons he sits 10th OA among Centres in points. He only makes $6.125 million next season. Even as a rental he is worth a 1st and a top prospect.

Wheeler may be bought out but even though he is older and slowing down his 55 points placed him 25th OA this season. He is still a legit top 6 winger.

Good points...........time will tell.

Thinking the tirade Bowness had after the playoffs, probably didn't help though? Fair?

 

[Flair Hay]

How would Friedman know? He's guessing like we are. There is no way Friedman knows at this stage.

Nope. I have my own opinion and that's what this site is about. I think Dubois contract falls around Hintz, Larkin, Horvat. Of course they will start high as strategy. Duh. You don't need insider knowledge to understand it.

I think it's safe to say Friedman, LeBrun are being spoon fed the info from Brisson and the Jets working together. Dreger seems like the Jets mouthpiece. Basu seems like the only one that's offered any inside info on the Habs side, which is a testament to their leak situation being pretty air tight. From my outsider view anyway that's how I've read into it.

 

[Flair Hay]

With LA it really comes down to will they move Vilardi or Byfield back the other way. If the answer is no from them, may as well be moving him to the Habs at that point.

Same deal with Chyil or Lafreniere from NYR.

Any team trading for him is going to need to send back some cap, that's a given. Dubois at 9M won't look great first couple years but once cap has gone up it will be average 2C UFA money. He is a tough matchups top six C already which most 2C in the league are not.

I wish him sticking around here was an option but it's not so here we are.

 

[tbcwpg]

But what if L.A doesn’t want to put Clarke or Byfield on the table? You just paint yourself in a corner by saying that. Now you either have to circle back to Montreal and look weak or take whatever pieces L.A are comfortable giving

Personally I like LAs pieces better. Another Habs fan replied to me yesterday saying "What if LA offered a 2024 1st, M Roy and Vilardi?" like it was some gotcha thing, I'd take that all day over Dvorak, the 31st overall this year and like a Kidney type prospect. I also think it might be easier for Wpg to get the younger RHD they're looking for from LA than Montreal.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

The jets have went nowhere with him for a reason. Don’t want him.

You really have no clue do you?

 

[deaderhead28]

I think Byfield will be the main piece if he's gojng to LA.

Only if it's Dubois and Hellebuyck included or it's a pass.

 

[Heldig]

Good points...........time will tell.

Thinking the tirade Bowness had after the playoffs, probably didn't help though? Fair?

Fair enough.

If Scheifele had a more well rounded game he would be considered a top player and be worth a fortune in a trade.

 

[deaderhead28]

I don't think Clarke is available to be honest, he's procable the number 1 prospect defenceman in the entire NHL. Byfield, I can see available I guess if they feel confident he's not going to be a 1st line center.

Byfield + Iaffalo + Arvidsson for Dubois + Gustafsson?

Maybe that would work with LA salary cap.

That means they would go with Copley and Portillo in net next year.

Pass if Byfield is included in a Dubois deal without Hellebuyck.

 

[Kibe]

Reading the prospects board, there's some talk Montreal likes Leonard/Reinbacher. Maybe they feel one is there at 7.
To PHI: #5
To MTL: #7+#22
Then
To WPG: #22+#31+something
To: MTL: Dubois
Just a random tought from an outside fan.