LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[Maukkis]

I guess it's possible, I agree but the value would be much lower for Winnipeg at the TDL IMO. He's worth more right now with a contract extension.

If you polled this, I reckon the outcome would end up being very close to 50-50. Him being worth more depends pretty much entirely on what the market for him looks like. If it's one or two teams, there cannot be any huge difference. If there is a 10-team bidding war, which there probably isn't, then it's a different discussion.

For me, it depends on whether long-term cap dumps need to move to make the deal happen in the offseason; if so, then I'd rather wait until the TDL.

 

[larmex99]

In this case, if MTL is not ready to trade Dach and LA Byfield and PLD refuse to sign with anybody else long term, what happen? He's staying one more year in Winnipeg and get trade at the TDL?

BINGO!

 

[MoneyManny]

Players like PLD truly are a cancer to the league. A moderately high end player with aggressively zero loyalty thus making him borderline impossible to add to your team well enough to achieve a greater ououtcome.

If you've had 2 different jobs in your life and was thinking about leaving for a 3rd, which offers you a better quality of life, you would have shown exactly the same level of loyalty PLD has.

Players are working age human beings working a job. Who are you to call them cancers for seeking a better life?

Y'all call the guy entitled but think about it for 2 minutes and tell me who are the entitled ones here?

 

[BatVader]

If you've had 2 different jobs in your life and was thinking about leaving for a 3rd, which offers you a better quality of life, you would have shown exactly the same level of loyalty PLD has.

Players are working age human beings working a job. Who are you to call them cancers for seeking a better life?

Y'all call the guy entitled but think about it for 2 minutes and tell me who are the entitled ones here?

At least 90% of fans would act the exact same way if they were players… following the money or trying to get onto their childhood favourite team

 

[Thechozen1]

Vilardi, Druzi, Spence. The key is that they fit needs for the Jets (C and RHD). Also, I don't think Byfield is off the table. Clarke is probably untouchable.

Also, the cap coming back (iafallo and/or arvidsson) is WAY better than the shit (Dvorak, Hoffman, anderson) that the habs would need to send

Maybe a centre prospect such as Pinelli could be of interest to the Jets as well.

 

[Buffdog]

PLD will never do that IMO.

He's not risking a career injury with the biggest contract of his career on the line. I believe that chance are under .001% that he's only signing for 1 year.

Depends on what other teams are offering. If he wants his 8x8, and that's the only way to get it (and he wants to be in LA badly enough), he may go for it

 

[lomiller1]

In this case, if MTL is not ready to trade Dach and LA Byfield and PLD refuse to sign with anybody else long term, what happen? He's staying one more year in Winnipeg and get trade at the TDL?

Unless they only have 1 top-6 C and no real C prospect I really don't see the logic in teams digging in their heels over sending a C back the other way in a trade. Players like Dach or Byfield would either move to the wing or be relegated to the bottom 6. Either would substantially reduce their value so why ship off other assets instead of the ones made expendable by acquiring PLD?

 

[Buffdog]

Maybe a centre prospect such as Pinelli could be of interest to the Jets as well.

I'm sure the Jets would be interested. Looks like a solid prospect

 

[BatVader]

If I was Chevy, my message to MTL is, don't bother to call if Dach isn’t included.
LA has substantially better asset options that could fill needs in WPG.

 

[Thechozen1]

I don't see any jets fans trying to force him to montreal lol

Exactly.

 

[nhlfan9191]

If I was Chevy, my message to MTL is, don't bother to call if Dach isn’t included.
LA has substantially better asset options that could fill needs in WPG.

Montreal calls LA after being told not to call unless Dach is included and LA’s offer goes down substantially knowing Montreal isn’t involved at all anymore. There’s more to the game then you understand.

 

[BatVader]

I'm sure the Jets would be interested. Looks like a solid prospect

Would be a quantity over quality return…but could work if the right players are included

 

[SCP Guy]

Any team that will not have PLD penciled is as their 2C should not even bother making an offer as it will not benefit both sides since the assets given up for a 3C or 2nd line winger prob won't be enough.

 

[waitin425]

If you've had 2 different jobs in your life and was thinking about leaving for a 3rd, which offers you a better quality of life, you would have shown exactly the same level of loyalty PLD has.

Players are working age human beings working a job. Who are you to call them cancers for seeking a better life?

Y'all call the guy entitled but think about it for 2 minutes and tell me who are the entitled ones here?

 

[lomiller1]

Maybe a centre prospect such as Pinelli could be of interest to the Jets as well.

I don't know much about him, but the scouting reports seem pretty good and he had a breakout season points wise in the OHL. He looks like someone the Jets should be interested in. On first glance I'd prefer him to guys like Mesar or Beck from the Habs prospect pool.

 

[Huffer]

I don't think Clarke is available to be honest, he's procable the number 1 prospect defenceman in the entire NHL. Byfield, I can see available I guess if they feel confident he's not going to be a 1st line center.

Byfield + Iaffalo + Arvidsson for Dubois + Gustafsson?

Maybe that would work with LA salary cap.

That means they would go with Copley and Portillo in net next year.

If we take the idea of if this is something LA would offer off the discussion, this is the "kind" of deal I think works best for the Jets.

The reason is that so many people have jumped on the comment of the Jets not wanting pure futures and taking that as an opportunity to offer their late 20's players with not much term left. In this deal it works for the Jets because:

1) The "value" in the deal is in Byfield. Who not only is a "future" piece, but can also play now. Although I would still do a deal where the significant value in the deal is in the "futures" even if they couldn't play right away.

2) The cap coming back to make it work is actually usable to the Jets. Iaffalo is similar in some ways to Dvorak (from a cap perspective), but Iaffalo would be much more useful on the Jets 3rd line than Dvorak. And Arvidsson should be a guy that could get moved at the TD for a pretty decent return as well. So you turn Arvidsson into more future pieces which helps. Normally teams have to pay to move out salary.

 

[ottawa]

True but he won't repeat that mistake again IMO. Brisson will cash in right now.

Tf are you saying lol...he didn't make a mistake last year. He'll sign another 1 year contract if he needs to this year, it depends on his situation.

There's no blueprint to signing contracts, it doesn't have to be an 8 year contract next year because every players situation is different.

 

[EveryDay]

I don't know much about him, but the scouting reports seem pretty good and he had a breakout season points wise in the OHL. He looks like someone the Jets should be interested in. On first glance I'd prefer him to guys like Mesar or Beck from the Habs prospect pool.

You're entitle to your opinion but Beck is a way better prospect from what I've seen. Beck is 1 year younger then Pinelli and almost made MTL team last season, he was the last cut. Pinelli is a good prospect don't get me wrong but Beck is already playing an NHL game. He's the best player on faceoff in the OHL and one of the best defensively as well. Before getting trade to the Petes, he was top10 in PPG in the OHL.

Again it's your opinion but I'm sure GM's would pick Beck ahead of Pinelli if they had the choice.

 

[EveryDay]

Tf are you saying lol...he didn't make a mistake last year. He'll sign another 1 year contract if he needs to this year, it depends on his situation.

There's no blueprint to signing contracts, it doesn't have to be an 8 year contract next year because every players situation is different.

I guess we wait and see how it goes but I don't see him waiting to cash in on 60M + deal any longer.

 

[Buffdog]

You're entitle to your opinion but Beck is a way better prospect from what I've seen. Beck is 1 year younger then Pinelli and almost made MTL team last season, he was the last cut. Pinelli is a good prospect don't get me wrong but Beck is already playing an NHL game. He's the best player on faceoff in the OHL and one of the best defensively as well. Before getting trade to the Petes, he was top10 in PPG in the OHL.

Again it's your opinion but I'm sure GM's would pick Beck ahead of Pinelli if they had the choice.

Why is he WAY better? Their production in their D+1 year is essentially identical in the same league

Just about making a team out of camp that is bottom 5 in the league doesn't mean much

And to be clear, Pinelli wouldn't be the centrepiece of the deal. It would have to be one of Vilardi or Byfield and Spence. He'd be the sweetner the Jets need to do backflips to make the cap work for LA

 

[EveryDay]

Why is he WAY better? Their production in their D+1 year is essentially identical in the same league

Just about making a team out of camp that is bottom 5 in the league doesn't mean much

And to be clear, Pinelli wouldn't be the centrepiece of the deal. It would have to be one of Vilardi or Byfield and Spence. He'd be the sweetner the Jets need to do backflips to make the cap work for LA

Let me rephase my comment, he's way better defensively and on faceoff but yes offensively they are pretty close. The main reason he was traded from Missisuaga is because they expect him to make the NHL next year, he's that good defensively.

His skating and hockey IQ are going to make him a 3rd center in the NHL as soon as next year if MTL decide to keep him at the NHL level.

He's MTL top forward prospect IMO.

But enough speaking about MTL, this thread is about Winnipeg and LA

 

[MardyBum]

If I was Chevy, my message to MTL is, don't bother to call if Dach isn’t included.
LA has substantially better asset options that could fill needs in WPG.

They definitely have more interesting young players, outside of Dach it's mostly prospects which are good prospects but further out from NHL players than the Kings young guys.

 

[General Fanager]

so if its true PLD wants 8 x 9 million........

LA can have him

 

[ottawa]

I guess we wait and see how it goes but I don't see him waiting to cash in on 60M + deal any longer.

It's more beneficial for him to sign a 1 year 8m contract next year before he extends for 8 more years at probably 8-9m.

That way his final contract falls at 34 instead of 33, which will be less than 8m...this way he can maximize his earning potential by getting that extra 1 year (next year) at max value.

 

[SCP Guy]

so if its true PLD wants 8 x 9 million........

LA can have him

That is the price to play for a rebuilding team not a team that is ready to win now according to the article last week