LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[MardyBum]

He needs to be qualified or arbitration.

They'll do team elected arbitration.

Yes. Teams will be able to negotiate with him by themselves as he’s RFA July 1st.

Yes, but the player will have to want to sign the offersheet

 

[Shawnathon]

you realize that if all we were only going to get is rental value then it opens up the possibility to trade him to more then just the 5-6 teams he was willing to extend long term with? we have to obligation to trade pld to those 5-6 and instead we could just trade him for the highest price offered...

So water is wet.. Of course they’re going to trade to the high price offered. Won’t make much of a difference if all 5-6 teams interested don’t want to pay the price you want and wait you out until after July 1st where you’re more vulnerable.

 

[Qwijibo]

you don't see how there is a difference between hitting a home run and being in a "position of incredible weakness"?

I’m not the one who says they’re operating from a position of incredible weakness. But surely you can admit they aren’t negotiating from a position of strength.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I’m not the one who says they’re operating from a position of incredible weakness. But surely you can admit they aren’t negotiating from a position of strength.

I don't think you are ever in a position of strength when you are trading the best player in the deal

 

[Hunter368]

I’m skeptical PLD returns more than a mid to low first and a good prospect and some sort of extra pick. History shows that’s the basic going rate for a top rental. Maybe with an extension he brings a bit more but the historical examples are numerous. Fiala Meier and Hall come to mind quickly. Sharks fans thought they were getting a player like Dawson Mercer for Meier and it didn’t happen and that was for a player NJ can get two playoff runs with if they don’t ink a long term extension. Tkachuk was a bit different and maybe WPG wants a couple of lesser players who also need deals but I don’t see WPG fans liking that return either. If Jesper Bratt and Ryan Graves were the return and WPG overpaid them on deals to retain them is that a good outcome if other players in the core are leaving?

This is where I'm at and have always been at.......I'm expecting a 1st rd pick mid to late, B level prospect............aka a TDL type of return. If Chevy gets more then that extended or not then Chevy did well and won the trade.......if he gets less then he lost the trade.

 

[gojetsgo]

So water is wet.. Of course they’re going to trade to the high price offered. Won’t make much of a difference if all 5-6 teams interested don’t want to pay the price you want and wait you out until after July 1st where you’re more vulnerable.

yeah, but on the other hand a team may want 8 years of pld and offer more then rental value for it...

 

[Shawnathon]

yeah, but on the other hand a team may want 8 years of pld and offer more then rental value for it...

Why would they pay more when they don’t have too? They can get him on an 8 year deal if they wait unless somebody makes an aggressive offer we haven’t heard about. That’s where we’re at. I guess we’ll see.

 

[gojetsgo]

Why would they pay more when they don’t have too? They can get him on an 8 year deal if they wait unless somebody makes an aggressive offer we haven’t heard about. That’s where we’re at. I guess we’ll see.

because they are guaranteed to have him for 8 years instead of having to compete with other teams rental offers

I’m not the one who says they’re operating from a position of incredible weakness. But surely you can admit they aren’t negotiating from a position of strength.

no, you are just quoting me calling out some person that said that, saying were not going to get a home run as if I said anything close to that...

 

[My3Sons]

yeah, but on the other hand a team may want 8 years of pld and offer more then rental value for it...

Maybe a bit more but it won’t be that much more of history is your guide. Go look at many of the Shark fan posts about Meier. And that was for a player who they alleged would extend with SJ if the team didn’t get an offer it liked. A low first a good prospect and a conditional pick. That’s for a guy who NJ gets for a minimum of two playoff runs. Just hard to see WPG get much more. If you want the Tkachuk offer that might work but only if there are similarly situated players going back wnd PLD has to be open to an extension and ask Calgary fans if they are happy with the return for Tkachuk. We will see. I like the Jets and hope they are successful as a franchise but this is not a great situation for the team. Blame PLD and his admission he’s headed to MTL when he gets the chance. That basically tanks his market.

 

[Mersss]

because they are guaranteed to have him for 8 years instead of having to compete with other teams rental offers


no, you are just quoting me calling out some person that said that, saying were not going to get a home run as if I said anything close to that...

They won't unless he agrees to a contract talk BEFORE being traded.

Therefore his value remains the same as the negotiation will be between the team acquiring him and PLD, not with the Jets.
Jets are trading 1 year of PLD, thats it. Extension or not his value is the same.

 

[gojetsgo]

They won't unless he agrees to a contract talk BEFORE being traded.

Therefore his value remains the same as the negotiation will be between the team acquiring him and PLD, not with the Jets.
Jets are trading 1 year of PLD, thats it. Extension or not his value is the same.

yeah no shit... jets will clearly let pld talk extension with teams to get more value of the deal and pld's agent already came out and said he's willing to work with the jets on a trade and gave a list of teams he would extend with but you just bury your head in the ground and ignore that part no matter how many time it's pointed out to you

 

[Kibe]

I personally wouldn’t mind but if they like both Leonard and Reinbacher and they go 5 & 6 then you’re f*cked. I don’t think any management team is willing to take that risk. It could backfire.

All speculation but there was also a quote from Briere saying he doesn't think Michkov will be there at 7. Maybe if he thinks Arizona would take Michkov between the picks, he might go for it. Maybe there could even be an agreement about it in the trade.

 

[tyhee]

I must confess to some confusion about the degree of anger some people have for PLD.

Is he legally required to sign an extension? No.

If a club chooses not to qualify a player does anyone think the club owed a duty to the player? No.

If a club trades a player, do people get mad and say the team was unfair to the player? No.

It is a business. He is entitled to negotiate, refuse to negotiate or pretty much anything other than negotiate with someone not holding his rights or negotiate during a closed period.

Does it adversely affect his trade value and possibly his future paycheques that he's so particular about wanting to do all he can to play where he wants? Maybe.

Is he, as some on here call him, a dick? I don't know. I don't see just choosing to do all he legally can to affect where he lives and works is in and of itself being a dick.

Again, though, until he refuses to honour an existing contract, I don't get the personal attacks. I could see people not wanting to sign him or deal with him, but on a straight business basis.

 

[MessierII]

Have you been to Montreal?

I've been to most notable NHL cities, and I can absolutely understand wanting to live somewhere like LA, Toronto, Chicago, NYC, etc... But Montreal isn't even close to those cities for nightlife unless you're 18. Lol

I'm not surprised he wants out of Winnipeg though.

Huh? Montreal is one of the most famous party cities in the world.

 

[howkie]

Yes. Teams will be able to negotiate with him by themselves as he’s RFA July 1st.

Would love Montreal to offer-sheet PLD..

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I must confess to some confusion about the degree of anger some people have for PLD.

Is he legally required to sign an extension? No.

If a club chooses not to qualify a player does anyone think the club owed a duty to the player? No.

If a club trades a player, do people get mad and say the team was unfair to the player? No.

It is a business. He is entitled to negotiate, refuse to negotiate or pretty much anything other than negotiate with someone not holding his rights or negotiate during a closed period.

Does it adversely affect his trade value and possibly his future paycheques that he's so particular about wanting to do all he can to play where he wants? Maybe.

Is he, as some on here call him, a dick? I don't know. I don't see just choosing to do all he legally can to affect where he lives and works is in and of itself being a dick.

Again, though, until he refuses to honour an existing contract, I don't get the personal attacks. I could see people not wanting to sign him or deal with him, but on a straight business basis.

The character assasination is more-so because of his stint in columbus, What he's doing in winnipeg is fine but quitting on your team , management and coaching staff like he did in Columbus? Really not a good look

 

[wintersej]

Would love Montreal to offer-sheet PLD..

No way this isn’t resolved before July 1st. Although a deadline like that isn’t always great for the seller. See the Bruins and Hamilton. Bruins essentially just took the OS amount of picks but a year earlier and got certainty for where the picks would be. Of course, PLD risks the Jets match and tell him to pound sand. Which wouldn’t be a super smart approach, but it’s an approach the Jets could take.

 

[Buffdog]

I must confess to some confusion about the degree of anger some people have for PLD.

Is he legally required to sign an extension? No.

If a club chooses not to qualify a player does anyone think the club owed a duty to the player? No.

If a club trades a player, do people get mad and say the team was unfair to the player? No.

It is a business. He is entitled to negotiate, refuse to negotiate or pretty much anything other than negotiate with someone not holding his rights or negotiate during a closed period.

Does it adversely affect his trade value and possibly his future paycheques that he's so particular about wanting to do all he can to play where he wants? Maybe.

Is he, as some on here call him, a dick? I don't know. I don't see just choosing to do all he legally can to affect where he lives and works is in and of itself being a dick.

Again, though, until he refuses to honour an existing contract, I don't get the personal attacks. I could see people not wanting to sign him or deal with him, but on a straight business basis.

I think us jets fans see the fact that his camp has appeared to leak info leading up to his final year as diminishing his trade value.

Apparently Evander Kane asked for a trade every season but didn't say jack shit publicly and showed up and worked his ass off on the ice every single game.

I don't bemoan PLD for wanting to get to UFA or to a desirable destination. The CBA is co strutted the way that it is and he has that right as a player.

But do it quietly and professionally

 

[wintersej]

I think us jets fans see the fact that his camp has appeared to leak info leading up to his final year as diminishing his trade value.

Apparently Evander Kane asked for a trade every season but didn't say jack shit publicly and showed up and worked his ass off on the ice every single game.

I don't bemoan PLD for wanting to get to UFA or to a desirable destination. The CBA is co strutted the way that it is and he has that right as a player.

But do it quietly and professionally

I don’t mind him doing what he is doing right now, it’s all the stuff leading up to this moment.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I think us jets fans see the fact that his camp has appeared to leak info leading up to his final year as diminishing his trade value.

Apparently Evander Kane asked for a trade every season but didn't say jack shit publicly and showed up and worked his ass off on the ice every single game.

I don't bemoan PLD for wanting to get to UFA or to a desirable destination. The CBA is co strutted the way that it is and he has that right as a player.

But do it quietly and professionally

Right I think everybody is for player empowerment there's just a way to do it....PLD is doing his image a disservice by acting like he has ,especially the CBJ fiasco, then again maybe PLD simply doesn't care what people think of him , which is fine.

 

[CDN24]

Who’s to say how many of those 5-6 teams have the interest to trade for him, the cap space to make it happen and the willingness to sign him to a big dollar long term extension?

Even if there’s a fit the other GM has to know he’s got limited competition bidding against him. The Jets aren’t likely to hit a home run here

Exactly the Venn diagram of
1) teams he will go to
2) teams that can/will offer him 8M+
3) and teams that have the assets Winnipeg wants and willingness to move them

May not have an intersection point. PLD may have to accept less $ or expand his team list and /or Jets may have to lower their ask for a deal to be made.

 

[Shawnathon]

Would love Montreal to offer-sheet PLD..

Offersheet isn’t coming from Montreal. Teams like LA and Boston could do it however.

 

[Mersss]

yeah no shit... jets will clearly let pld talk extension with teams to get more value of the deal and pld's agent already came out and said he's willing to work with the jets on a trade and gave a list of teams he would extend with but you just bury your head in the ground and ignore that part no matter how many time it's pointed out to you

No, what I am saying is PLD's value isnt any different than if he was a UFA. His value doesn't "increase" because you can negociate an extension. His value is of a rental RFA player. With 1 year left. Wether an extension is set before or after the trade is irrelevant.

His value as a 1 year rental is the same as Horvat
Late 1st
B prospect
Cap dump

It doesn't increase based on the fact you can sign him, just like Horvat's

Offersheet isn’t coming from Montreal. Teams like LA and Boston could do it however.

Boston can't afford an OS. Well unless they want to lose Swayman for a 2nd rder at a 4.2M OS right after

 

[Kosseca]

No way this isn’t resolved before July 1st. Although a deadline like that isn’t always great for the seller. See the Bruins and Hamilton. Bruins essentially just took the OS amount of picks but a year earlier and got certainty for where the picks would be. Of course, PLD risks the Jets match and tell him to pound sand. Which wouldn’t be a super smart approach, but it’s an approach the Jets could take.

July 1st? i'm not sure, but i think there is a deadline here. Jets would do good to block any offersheet by electing to go through team arbitration. However, I think (not 100% certain tho) that they would need to trade him before the decision is made as they can't trade him for the rest of the season after that.

 

[Whileee]

Exactly the Venn diagram of
1) teams he will go to
2) teams that can/will offer him 8M+
3) and teams that have the assets Winnipeg wants and willingness to move them

May not have an intersection point. PLD may have to accept less $ or expand his team list and /or Jets may have to lower their ask for a deal to be made.

Jets have no obligation to pursue a sign and trade. If the best offer comes from a contender like the Avs or Canes or Bruins that are happy with taking Dubois and his relatively cheap RFA one-year contract, the Jets will make that trade.

They don't have to work within the confluence of your Venn diagram.