LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[MardyBum]

No way this isn’t resolved before July 1st. Although a deadline like that isn’t always great for the seller. See the Bruins and Hamilton. Bruins essentially just took the OS amount of picks but a year earlier and got certainty for where the picks would be. Of course, PLD risks the Jets match and tell him to pound sand. Which wouldn’t be a super smart approach, but it’s an approach the Jets could take.

I highly doubt PLD is going to sign an offer-sheet.

"Hey I'm going to protect scrub prospect #7 and a 1st round pick at the risk of Winnipeg matching and having no regards of my future earnings"

He'll sit patiently and get traded.

 

[Guffman]

This is where I'm at and have always been at.......I'm expecting a 1st rd pick mid to late, B level prospect............aka a TDL type of return. If Chevy gets more then that extended or not then Chevy did well and won the trade.......if he gets less then he lost the trade.

An offer sheet gets you a presumably late first round pick (if coming from a contender) and a third round pick. That really is the floor.

Trouba returned a second pairing d-man and the 20th overall pick despite Trouba only allowing the Jets to trade him to one team.

If Jets just get a 20ish first round pick and a B prospect, that’s a failure to me given the weak UFA market. I expect more and expect Chevy to deliver more. I guess I am grading Chevy harder than you seem to be.

Would love Montreal to offer-sheet PLD..

Jets fans would love that too. An unprotected 2024 1st rounder from Montreal would be incredible.

 

[gojetsgo]

No, what I am saying is PLD's value isnt any different than if he was a UFA. His value doesn't "increase" because you can negociate an extension. His value is of a rental RFA player. With 1 year left. Wether an extension is set before or after the trade is irrelevant.

His value as a 1 year rental is the same as Horvat
Late 1st
B prospect
Cap dump

pld coming with guaranteed 8 years will be more valuable to teams then 1 year and a playoff run, we have no obligation to trade pld anywhere other then where we get the best offer, if a team that's in on him can work out an extension they will give up more value then other teams that could only have him for one

 

[Guffman]

Offersheet isn’t coming from Montreal. Teams like LA and Boston could do it however.

LA and Boston couldn’t make the offer as they lack the right draft picks to compensate Winnipeg.

The team I would worry about is Carolina.

Now, I think Dubois wants the long-term extension and he wouldn’t sign a multi-year offer sheet since that’s an auto-match from Winnipeg. Would Dubois take a 1-year $6.5M offer sheet? There is a risk Winnipeg matches and Dubois can make more signing long-term by co-operating with Winnipeg for a trade. I doubt that Dubois would go this route.

 

[Buffdog]

No, what I am saying is PLD's value isnt any different than if he was a UFA. His value doesn't "increase" because you can negociate an extension. His value is of a rental RFA player. With 1 year left. Wether an extension is set before or after the trade is irrelevant.

His value as a 1 year rental is the same as Horvat
Late 1st
B prospect
Cap dump

It doesn't increase based on the fact you can sign him, just like Horvat's


Boston can't afford an OS. Well unless they want to lose Swayman for a 2nd rder at a 4.2M OS right after

Of course an extension increases his value

If he's a rental, there is uncertainty what will happen beyond next June. A team trading for him knows that they'd be out the assets to aquire him, plus the possibility of him walking and they're left with less than they have now (his service next season notwithsatanding). In other words, the trade is their assets for one season of his play

If he signs an 8 year deal, that uncertainty is removed and the trade is the assets they give up for 8 years of his play. Clearly that's more valuable.

 

[Thechozen1]

How can LA fit him in this situation? If Vilardi is getting a 3M bridge contract and they fill up the remaining 5 roster spot to make it 23 players with minimum salary of 800k, they would only have 300k left for PLD.

Lets say PLD will sign at minimum 8M, who do they trade to make it work?

Iafallo + Arvidsson/Moore?

Do anyone in the league want Moore at 4.2M for the next 5 years?

Are they ready to trade Kempe to make cap space for Dubois?

Arvidsson is UFA next season, I don't think he would extend in Winnipeg after living the last few years in LA.....

Iaffalo, what's his value as a 3rd line LW?

I have a hard time seeing how can LA do that trade without trading Adrian Kempe.

Jets just flip Arvidsson at the deadline. He’s only in the deal as a warm body/cap dump to help LA with cap relief.

 

[Guffman]

July 1st? i'm not sure, but i think there is a deadline here. Jets would do good to block any offersheet by electing to go through team arbitration. However, I think (not 100% certain tho) that they would need to trade him before the decision is made as they can't trade him for the rest of the season after that.

If Jets elect for team arbitration, Dubois would have a small window between July 1 to July 5 to sign an offer sheet. I confirmed this earlier in this thread to the actual CBA.

 

[nhlfan9191]

I highly doubt PLD is going to sign an offer-sheet.

"Hey I'm going to protect scrub prospect #7 and a 1st round pick at the risk of Winnipeg matching and having no regards of my future earnings"

He'll sit patiently and get traded.

They could potentially give him a 1 year offersheet to get him out of Winnipeg if they’re stubborn on a crazy trade return which would mean the Jets couldn’t trade him at all before UFA if they matched.

 

[Guffman]

pld coming with guaranteed 8 years will be more valuable to teams then 1 year and a playoff run, we have no obligation to trade pld anywhere other then where we get the best offer, if a team that's in on him can work out an extension they will give up more value then other teams that could only have him for one

If the 5-6 teams that Dubois is interested in are not willing to give a long-term contract and/or don’t want to give up the assets, I wouldn’t rule out a rental trade to Colorado. Not ideal but no guarantee this is a sign and trade even if that is Dubois’ preference.

 

[sheed36]

Offersheet isn’t coming from Montreal. Teams like LA and Boston could do it however.

The Bruins don't have any picks in the first 3 rounds for 2024 and LA only as their 1st round pick for 2024 and no 2nd or 3rd round picks for 2024 currently.

The Jets will move PLD somewhere before July 1st and likely before or at the draft for the best offer they can get.

 

[MardyBum]

They could potentially give him a 1 year offersheet to get him out of Winnipeg if they’re stubborn on a crazy trade return which would mean the Jets couldn’t trade him at all before UFA if they matched.

And he would be stuck in Winnipeg for another full season.

Again, why is PLD risking that?

 

[CDN24]

Jets have no obligation to pursue a sign and trade. If the best offer comes from a contender like the Avs or Canes or Bruins that are happy with taking Dubois and his relatively cheap RFA one-year contract, the Jets will make that trade.

They don't have to work within the confluence of your Venn diagram.

Jets have no obligation to trade him to one of his preferred destinations but do you think a team that is not on his preferred destination list will blow your socks off with an offer? It will be a 1st rounder (late as from a contender who sees him as a 1 yr rental), and B prospect and probably some salary going back in the form of a player that may be useful to Winnipeg. For the Jets to get more, one of his preferred destinations has to really want him and be willing to pay and that is back to the Venn diagram. It really comes down to who he will accept a sign and trade with otherwise jets are probably capped (pun intended) at a late 1st and a b prospect and some salary coming back.

 

[lomiller1]

An offer sheet gets you a presumably late first round pick (if coming from a contender) and a third round pick. That really is the floor.

Trouba returned a second pairing d-man and the 20th overall pick despite Trouba only allowing the Jets to trade him to one team.

If Jets just get a 20ish first round pick and a B prospect, that’s a failure to me given the weak UFA market. I expect more and expect Chevy to deliver more. I guess I am grading Chevy harder than you seem to be.


Jets fans would love that too. An unprotected 2024 1st rounder from Montreal would be incredible.

People tend to forget that Pionk was the Rangers #1 D-man the year prior to the Trouba trade. He had failed in that role but he was still regarded as a legitimate up and coming young D-man. He wasn't just a minor piece to that trade.

 

[ole ole]

Vilardi is the difference in the offer. I still take a 2024 1st, Roy and Vilardi over Beck, Florida's 1st and any of those NHL contracts you listed. We've disagreed in the past about Beck's value, so I'm not going to get into it further, but Vilardi is the type of component the Jets usually prefer which is a younger NHL ready player.

Final offer.
Most Hab fans would say no but i would do this and not a penny more as long as Dubois signs for a fair price.
Florida's 1st, + Habs 2nd or Harris
One of Dvorak or Hoffman
any prospect not name Lane or Mailoux

 

[tomd]

Sounds to me like PLD has no intention of signing a contract with the Jets and is prepared to sit until he is traded. This situation could go on all summer...shades of Eichel.

 

[tbcwpg]

Final offer.
Most Hab fans would say no but i would do this and not a penny more as long as Dubois signs for a fair price.
Florida's 1st, + Habs 2nd or Harris
One of Dvorak or Hoffman
any prospect not name Lane or Mailoux

If we're playing GM here, I think the LA 1st in 2024 is higher than 31st, Dvorak or Hoffman aren't adding value, and Vilardi would trump the prospects available. Just my personal preference.

 

[Sigurd]

Jets have no obligation to trade him to one of his preferred destinations but do you think a team that is not on his preferred destination list will blow your socks off with an offer? It will be a 1st rounder (late as from a contender who sees him as a 1 yr rental), and B prospect and probably some salary going back in the form of a player that may be useful to Winnipeg. For the Jets to get more, one of his preferred destinations has to really want him and be willing to pay and that is back to the Venn diagram. It really comes down to who he will accept a sign and trade with otherwise jets are probably capped (pun intended) at a late 1st and a b prospect and some salary coming back.

Carolina wouldn't need to do a cap dump.

Assuming Carolina thinks PLD will re-sign with them, and based on your more modest trade return prediction for PLD, how about 2023 1st round pick + B tier prospect + Philly's 2024 2nd round pick (the latter basically being another late 1st round)?

 

[FSL KINGS]

Don't worry Jets fans, Blake has been a straight shooter when it comes to making trades & doesn't low-ball. This has me a little worried he might include Vilardi, who would suck to lose.

 

[gojetsgo]

well if the news of montreal trying to move up in the draft is true that would probably mean they are out on pld

 

[Maukkis]

Carolina wouldn't need to do a cap dump.

Assuming Carolina thinks PLD will re-sign with them, and based on your more modest trade return prediction for PLD, how about 2023 1st round pick + B tier prospect + Philly's 2024 2nd round pick (the latter basically being another late 1st round)?

Automatically better than anything that has a cap dump in it, which is basically most of anything that has been offered here. I'm going to assume that Morrow and Nikishin are the two total non-starters on the prospect front?

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Sounds to me like PLD has no intention of signing a contract with the Jets and is prepared to sit until he is traded. This situation could go on all summer...shades of Eichel.

Sounds to me like you just made this up. Have you read the thread??

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

well if the news of montreal trying to move up in the draft is true that would probably mean they are out on pld

Or they’re in and think that they can rush the rebuild and make a solid, sustained run with that core. I just can’t wait for this shitshow to be over.

 

[gojetsgo]

Don't worry Jets fans, Blake has been a straight shooter when it comes to making trades & doesn't low-ball. This has me a little worried he might include Vilardi, who would suck to lose.

He would be the perfect fit in terms are what we are looking for, young skilled team control and has room to grow

 

[tomd]

Sounds to me like you just made this up. Have you read the thread??

Yes, I've read the thread. In fact, the title of the thread says he will not sign a contract for next season. So that clearly indicates that he will sit until he is traded. He won't play another game for the Jets. Do you think he'll cave and sign with them for next season?

 

[Chose]

Thinking out of the box:

Pegs have said they want "now" pieces. What about Matheson for Dubois straight up ?

Matheson is a former 23rd overall, coming into his own with 2 x 30 points seasons.
Very smooth and mobile new era defensemen.
Signed for 3 more years under 5M$ AAV.

Everyone is trying to push for Harris since MTL has depth in LHD, but what is what Matheson that finally gets it done ? We could do with Ghule, Harris, Xhekaj & Hutson...

Never seen it proposed/discussed before...