LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[ole ole]

I think any management group that said, at the beginning of any season, "We don't think we can win the whole thing, but we think we can at least win a round" should be fired.

Now, I fully believe the Kings org thinks they can win the whole thing, but they absolutely do not have a team that is capable of doing so.

This trade (and the potential assets that would have to be moved) would be another example of it. You're upgrading your goaltending, while getting rid of depth and cap space and making more moves mandatory in another year or two. All this in the hopes of getting lucky for four rounds.

I can't think of a team that's won in the past forever that has been led by 35+ year old vets and players who weren't on the team the previous year or two. That's what Blake is banking on.


He isn't...but Blake might think he is. Actually, he's probably just hoping the guy is enough to get them into the 3rd round. He's actively trying to save his job. Last year of his deal with absolutely zero success after inheriting a 29 year old Kopitar, a 27 year old Drew Doughty, a 28 year old Jonathan Quick, and a robust farm system.

I was reply back on the poster that made the comment that .

[[[[[ He can win now and do all the big city stuff he wants to do in LA, ]]]]

He makes it sound like LA is a top Contenting team and Dubois is the missing piece.

LA is not a top contending team yet and Dubois alone doesn't make them one either.

 

[Ghetty Green]

Weird. Every time I see a prospect rankings list by team, Montreal is usually in the top 10.

Habs prospects have been overrated for 20 years.

How is losing to a stronger team than them getting exposed.

Most hockey fans didint even have Kings making the playoffs if anything last season was a success for the kings

You need to understand a lot of these posters have seemingly personal vendettas against the coach. It's quite amusing.

 

[dukeofjive]

So this habs fan would be happy if the habs do not trade for PLD, not bcause he is not a good player but mtl has never really done a true rebuild, i am not a big fan of trading for dach last year and hoping it wont be another swing and a miss.

I hope the jets get a good return.

And i would like to thank all the trolls for filling my day with laughter.

 

[FSL KINGS]

I was reply back on the poster that made the comment that .

[[[[[ He can win now and do all the big city stuff he wants to do in LA, ]]]]

He makes it sound like LA is a top Contenting team and Dubois is the missing piece.

LA is not a top contending team yet and Dubois alone doesn't make them one either.

Upgrading Lizotte at the 3C to PLD is a huge difference.

Is it enough for contending? After the goalie situation is addressed to who knows.

 

[MXD]

Yeah I don't think you're getting both of them for Durzi and Arvidsson. I'm just pointing out that you could get them with those two clearing the space. I'm guessing you'd also need to add another part or two. Hell, add an Iafallo or Moore and now you've got 6.5M to fill 7 spots.

Durzi >> Clarke and Spence and Bjornfot (now you have your 6 D)
Arvidsson >> Kaliyev
Moore >> PLD

It can easily happen if they want it to. The biggest issue currently, and even after this hypothetical trade, is Vilardi and his new deal.

- Kaliyev was counted in the 11 forwards figure I referred to.
- You still need 7 D.
- Those rookie D's can get bonus (though it's not really a problem from 23-24).

(Not a Jets fan by the way)

Of course, space could be cleared and all, but for short-term purposes, you probably can have a better player than Dubois for slightly less.

Habs prospects have been overrated for 20 years.

It's pretty well established that Montreal had developpement issues.

 

[nabby12]

A trade involving Dubois for Byfield makes a lot of sense for both parties.

 

[pegcity]

I always thought the Rangers were a good trading parter for the Jets.

Not sure what direction they are headed, but if they are trying to win now....

 

[SmytheKing]

- There is still a netminder missing
- Kaliyev was counted in the 11 forwards figure I referred to.
- You still need 7 D.
- Those rookie D's can get bonus (though it's not really a problem from 23-24).

(Not a Jets fan by the way)

They already signed Copley. They've got their two goalies.
I listed the 3 D already too. Spence, Bjornfot, Clarke.
Resign Kupari and JAD.
Vilardi is the big question mark cap wise. Is he asking for $5M a year? Is he doing the Mikey Anderson thing where he'll get the big deal next year when they have more room?

Look, it can be done. It's a matter of what the pieces look like. Does it happen? Is it a real legit rumor? No idea. But the math can work if they want to make it so.

 

[MXD]

They already signed Copley. They've got their two goalies.
I listed the 3 D already too. Spence, Bjornfot, Clarke.
Resign Kupari and JAD.
Vilardi is the big question mark cap wise. Is he asking for $5M a year? Is he doing the Mikey Anderson thing where he'll get the big deal next year when they have more room?

Look, it can be done. It's a matter of what the pieces look like. Does it happen? Is it a real legit rumor? No idea. But the math can work if they want to make it so.

Actually, it's even worse : I had forgotten to add Helle in my mental list

But yeah, not saying it's can't be done. It's just that sometimes people forget the replacement players do have a caphit even if they're the 14th forward. I don't think that's what you did, but it certainly happens.

 

[SmytheKing]

Actually, it's even worse : I had forgotten to add Helle in my mental list

But yeah, not saying it's can't be done. It's just that sometimes people forget the replacement players do have a caphit even if they're the 14th forward. I don't think that's what you did, but it certainly happens.

Of course. Like I said initially, I don't think it's a GOOD trade for the Kings because it doesn't really fix what ails them all that much. Take away Quick and Peterson being absolutely dreadful for half of the season and the Kings were second in the league in GAA. They were 11th overall in Goals For too. Their problem is coaching and secondary help offensively and defensively. Neither of the two players in this trade help that. Adding them while taking away other players makes it even more questionable.

 

[deaderhead28]

As far as futures go, I bet the Kings would want Turcotte in the deal and they are willing to trade any draft pick. They would need salary in the deal as well which would be Iafallo or Arvidsson. I honestly don't see how they could come up with a good package and fit the salary unless there are a lot more moving parts.

Dishing out more is merely making Byfield or Clarke available if it is PLD + Hellebuyck, but I don't see any way to make the dollars work. The Kings still have to re-sign Vilardi and would need an additional $5-6M in cap space beyond even that.

3 team deal would be easier.

 

[ole ole]

Upgrading Lizotte at the 3C to PLD is a huge difference.

Is it enough for contending? After the goalie situation is addressed to who knows.

So now your also adding a goalie. Any other position your looking to fill.
I said Dubois alone would not make the LA Kings a top contender.
For top contenders he could be that player ,

 

[Bouboumaster]

The L.A. talks are laughable. Don't get your hope up, Jets fans, you'll have to deal with us.

PLD was in Montréal, at the last draft. He was expecting to be trade there, because it's where he wants to go.
The dude is probably only using the L.A. talks to get better value on his next Montréal contract,

PLD will be traded to the Habs, it will happen this summer, and you can bookmark this

 

[FSL KINGS]

So now your also adding a goalie. Any other position your looking to fill.
I said Dubois alone would not make the LA Kings a top contender.
For top contenders he could be that player ,

King's need center depth and goal at this point. They can shed cap on the wings & have elc's to plug in.

Adding Dubois gets the team real close. The other part is Blake obviously believes.

 

[Buffdog]

The L.A. talks are laughable. Don't get your hope up, Jets fans, you'll have to deal with us.

PLD was in Montréal, at the last draft. He was expecting to be trade there, because it's where he wants to go.
The dude is probably only using the L.A. talks to get better value on his next Montréal contract,

PLD will be traded to the Habs, it will happen this summer, and you can bookmark this

Lol

Sorry, looks like we might not be needing to take your b prospects and cap dumps

 

[tomd]

A trade involving Dubois for Byfield makes a lot of sense for both parties.

cap-wise it really doesn't.

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

cap-wise it really doesn't.

I would be willing to take back any contract(s) LA has to make it happen

 

[OVO16]

Does Boston make sense

 

[nabby12]

cap-wise it really doesn't.

Jets will take Arvidsson or Iafallo too. No problem.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Great goalies have the ability to carry teams farther than they should be. Jets have never went anywhere with him.

He shit his pants in 2018, I thought for sure the Jets were going to the final

 

[tbcwpg]

He shit his pants in 2018, I thought for sure the Jets were going to the final

The Jets still were in the Final that year without Fleury playing out of his mind.

 

[Frank Drebin]

The Jets still were in the Final that year without Fleury playing out of his mind.

Yeah Fleury was damn near unbeatable that year but I seem to remember Helle not playing great.

 

[tbcwpg]

Yeah Fleury was damn near unbeatable that year but I seem to remember Helle not playing great.

A bit of both. Hellebuyck did play well for the most part but would give up inopportune goals. There was a point in Game 2 when the Jets were down 2-0 and couldn't get past Fleury, they got within 1 in the 3rd and Marchessault scored on a breakaway immediately after. Another one in either Game 3 or 4, the Jets tied it 2-2 and Vegas scored a goal off the rush you'd hope he'd have. So he was good 95% of the time but the 5% killed them. All moot without Fleury's play though.

 

[vokiel]

So this habs fan would be happy if the habs do not trade for PLD, not bcause he is not a good player but mtl has never really done a true rebuild, i am not a big fan of trading for dach last year and hoping it wont be another swing and a miss.

I hope the jets get a good return.

And i would like to thank all the trolls for filling my day with laughter.

Nah I would be happy! The prospect junkies and some less reputable individuals always cringe whenever the team is trying to get a french Canadian player, so they make shit up, it's funny.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Upgrading Lizotte at the 3C to PLD is a huge difference.

Is it enough for contending? After the goalie situation is addressed to who knows.

Does anyone want to pay PLD to be a 3c? Not sure I like it in terms of cap management.