LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[FSL KINGS]

Luc & Bergevin Strike back!!!!
Work that French Connection!

Solid film.

 

[DRW204]

i do like PLD, sometimes lol. i think his style of play, or maybe he just didn't GAF about WPG led to some inconsistencies notably in the tail-end of each year. he's a great 2C but don't see him as a 1C on a cup-caliber team. he's failed to deliver in critical moments for the Jets when Scheifele was out from suspension or injury.

apparently he's seeking a contract b/w Larkin's 8.7M and Barzal's 9.15M. based on his career history, he's not worth that at all imo. maybe he's been sandbagging it WPG or CBJ. not sure. it's not like he hasn't had massive opportunities to produce (great wingers, pp1, top-6 mins etc).

looking at the kings line-up i just think they should be in the market for helle as a primary target than PLD. 8.5-9M for PLD and what are they doing in net? it's not like they're a bad offense last year (t-10th in GF) & team SV% was 27th.

 

[Buffdog]

Cool. But you can’t have either. PLD wants nothing more to do with Winnipeg and Dach isn’t available

That's fine. Better offer elsewhere

 

[FSL KINGS]

PLD is looking for around 8M and Helleybuck at 50% is 3M no? That means 11M would be coming in.

If PLD & Hellebuyck @ 50% Vilardi almost had to be in the trade to make it work.

PLD alone, probably not enough to get Vilardi.

Also, get Stanley for fun.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

The jets have went nowhere with him for a reason. Don’t want him.

Buffalo didnt go nowhere with Hasek who was the greatest goalie of all time

Price has no cups

Lundqvist has no cups

thats the best 2 goalies of this past decade

even the Oilers cant win with the 2 best players in the world

its okay if you dont want him but hes not overrated at all hes great

 

[SmytheKing]

PLD is looking for around 8M and Helleybuck at 50% is 3M no? That means 11M would be coming in.

Oh yes. I misread his contract. It would, if that $8 million is the contract, be $11 million. They could still fit it but it would take more. Also, Kopitar's $11 million comes off year after this coming one.

Again, they could fit it, but I'm not sure I'd do it. Though, Blake seems to only be interested in this year so set it on fire I guess.

 

[Sol]

Buffalo didnt go nowhere with Hasek who was the greatest goalie of all time

Price has no cups

Lundqvist has no cups

thats the best 2 goalies of this past decade

even the Oilers cant win with the 2 best players in the world

its okay if you dont want him but hes not overrated at all hes great

Great goalies have the ability to carry teams farther than they should be. Jets have never went anywhere with him.

 

[SmytheKing]

They would need to add 6 players to their roster in that scenario.

How do you figure 6? Trade Durzi and Arvidsson and you replace them with Spence/Clarke/Bjornfot and Kaliyev/Chromiak/Turcotte/ for those 82 games.

 

[SCP Guy]

Great goalies have the ability to carry teams farther than they should be. Jets have never went anywhere with him.

The Vezina voters disagree with your assessment of goalies in this case, but if you do not like him that is no problem your opinion is as valid as mine

But sorry to go off talking about Helly in the PLD thread

 

[MXD]

How do you figure 6? Trade Durzi and Arvidsson and you replace them with Spence/Clarke/Bjornfot and Kaliyev/Chromiak/Turcotte/ for those 82 games.

Currently, they have the following amount players on non-expiring deals counting against the cap, and roughly 7.5M of caproom :

F : 11
D : 5
G : 1

Trade Durzi and Arvidson (and add Dubois at, say, 8M, and you have 11F, 4 D and 1 G, along with 5.5M of caproom; add Hellebuyck at 50%, and you have roughly 2.5M of caproom, with still 6 skaters missing...).

 

[ole ole]

Jets' leverage is directly related to the market, and the trade price will be set by the underbidder(s).

Potential bidders:

A. Montreal (confirmed interest)
B. 4-5 other sign-and-trade teams (reported)
C. Potential 1-year "rental" contender teams (speculative)

A and B could be in direct bidding competition.

If A and B don't offer much, then the Jets can still look at group C, which would consist of teams that might have an interest in "renting" Dubois for the season and playoff run.

It really only takes a couple of bidders to generate some leverage for the Jets. Looking at rental prices for similar players, that probably sets the "floor" for the trade value.

As for concerns that the Jets have been losers in the Laine / Dubois, they have gained a combined 500 games, 203 goals / 393 points from those two players over the past 7 seasons, for a very low cap hit. Now, the Jets will likely get at minimum a 1st and decent prospect in trade, and another team will end up paying a premium for Dubois' next 7-8 seasons.

Depending on what you mean by Premium i don't see it coming from the Habs.

 

[ole ole]

Josh Anderson has an NTC.

He submits a list of 8 teams he wouldn't go to.

LA has more to offer than the Habs do, so I think it's just a matter of preference. He can win now and do all the big city stuff he wants to do in LA, or he can go home, do most of that big city stuff in Montreal, but maybe not win for a few years.

You really think that Dubois is the missing piece to the Cup?

 

[WarriorofTime]

He submits a list of 8 teams he wouldn't go to.

And you can basically guarantee Winnipeg is on there.

 

[Breakers]

Vilardi has become a fan favorite in the analytic community for his defensive game

PLD is a better playing at driving offense but is pretty marginal defensively

 

[SmytheKing]

Currently, they have the following amount players on non-expiring deals counting against the cap, and roughly 7.5M of caproom :

F : 11
D : 5
G : 1

Trade Durzi and Arvidson (and add Dubois at, say, 8M, and you have 11F, 4 D and 1 G, along with 5.5M of caproom; add Hellebuyck at 50%, and you have roughly 2.5M of caproom, with still 6 skaters missing...).

Yeah I don't think you're getting both of them for Durzi and Arvidsson. I'm just pointing out that you could get them with those two clearing the space. I'm guessing you'd also need to add another part or two. Hell, add an Iafallo or Moore and now you've got 6.5M to fill 7 spots.

Durzi >> Clarke and Spence and Bjornfot (now you have your 6 D)
Arvidsson >> Kaliyev
Moore >> PLD

It can easily happen if they want it to. The biggest issue currently, and even after this hypothetical trade, is Vilardi and his new deal.

 

[gojetsgo]

He submits a list of 8 teams he wouldn't go to.

bah god, that's winnipeg jets music

 

[tbcwpg]

He submits a list of 8 teams he wouldn't go to.


You really think that Dubois is the missing piece to the Cup?

I'd be 99% sure that Winnipeg is on that 8 team list.

I think Dubois could help push LA over the top, they're already a really good team.

 

[SmytheKing]

I'd be 99% sure that Winnipeg is on that 8 team list.

I think Dubois could help push LA over the top, they're already a really good team.

No they aren't. The Kings beat up on bad teams and struggled in crunch time. Sounds a lot like their coach.

Smoke and mirrors during the regular season and get exposed during the playoffs.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

No they aren't. The Kings beat up on bad teams and struggled in crunch time. Sounds a lot like their coach.

Smoke and mirrors during the regular season and get exposed during the playoffs.

How is losing to a stronger team than them getting exposed.

Most hockey fans didint even have Kings making the playoffs if anything last season was a success for the kings

 

[Huffer]

Probably need both Iafallo/Arvidson to make cap work for LA. LA adds 11.6M here only ships out about 4.2 assuming its higher pd arvidsson who goes. That is a net +7.4 to the Kings which eats up all their cap space with a roster of 11F 5D and 2G

As a Jets fan I would take both to make it work if needed, and I'm one that doesn't want to take much salary back if possible. The reason I would is that both contracts are relatively short, and both have some value if they also needed to be moved.

 

[larmex99]

IIRC there was also comments out there about PLD.......AND Helle to LA, that would be a block buster trade of the summer I'm sure.

Also of note is that Chevy seems to like multi-player trades. Both The Kane and Laine trades moved multi players. Git ‘er done Chevy!

 

[SmytheKing]

How is losing to a stronger team than them getting exposed.

Most hockey fans didint even have Kings making the playoffs if anything last season was a success for the kings

Huh? The Kings were 6th in the conference last year and then added a PPG player in the offseason. The fact that "fans" didn't have them making they playoffs this year says something about them and their viewing habits. Pretty much all Kings fans had them making the playoffs this year.

The Kings are a middle of the road team that is not "on the cusp of winning". Their best players are on the wrong side of 30. They've traded prospects and draft picks in the hope of competing and holding onto the past.

They're first round fodder and a chance for a contending team to get into playoff shape.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Huh? The Kings were 6th in the conference last year and then added a PPG player in the offseason. The fact that "fans" didn't have them making they playoffs this year says something about them and their viewing habits. Pretty much all Kings fans had them making the playoffs this year.

The Kings are a middle of the road team that is not "on the cusp of winning". Their best players are on the wrong side of 30. They've traded prospects and draft picks in the hope of competing and holding onto the past.

They're first round fodder and a chance for a contending team to get into playoff shape.

Right but there are management groups in the NHL who believe in trying to actually ice a competitive team and try to do some damage in the post season if possible. Its not all about being a contender or a tanker surely there is some middle ground here no

 

[ole ole]

And you can basically guarantee Winnipeg is on there.

I would tend to agree.

Huh? The Kings were 6th in the conference last year and then added a PPG player in the offseason. The fact that "fans" didn't have them making they playoffs this year says something about them and their viewing habits. Pretty much all Kings fans had them making the playoffs this year.

The Kings are a middle of the road team that is not "on the cusp of winning". Their best players are on the wrong side of 30. They've traded prospects and draft picks in the hope of competing and holding onto the past.

They're first round fodder and a chance for a contending team to get into playoff shape.

I agree and that is why i don't believe that Dubois is the missing piece for a cup win.

 

[SmytheKing]

Right but there are management groups in the NHL who believe in trying to actually ice a competitive team and try to do some damage in the post season if possible. Its not all about being a contender or a tanker surely there is some middle ground here no

I think any management group that said, at the beginning of any season, "We don't think we can win the whole thing, but we think we can at least win a round" should be fired.

Now, I fully believe the Kings org thinks they can win the whole thing, but they absolutely do not have a team that is capable of doing so.

This trade (and the potential assets that would have to be moved) would be another example of it. You're upgrading your goaltending, while getting rid of depth and cap space and making more moves mandatory in another year or two. All this in the hopes of getting lucky for four rounds.

I can't think of a team that's won in the past forever that has been led by 35+ year old vets and players who weren't on the team the previous year or two. That's what Blake is banking on.

I would tend to agree.


I agree and that is why i don't believe that Dubois is the missing piece for a cup win.

He isn't...but Blake might think he is. Actually, he's probably just hoping the guy is enough to get them into the 3rd round. He's actively trying to save his job. Last year of his deal with absolutely zero success after inheriting a 29 year old Kopitar, a 27 year old Drew Doughty, a 28 year old Jonathan Quick, and a robust farm system.