That's fine. Better offer elsewhereCool. But you can’t have either. PLD wants nothing more to do with Winnipeg and Dach isn’t available
If PLD & Hellebuyck @ 50% Vilardi almost had to be in the trade to make it work.PLD is looking for around 8M and Helleybuck at 50% is 3M no? That means 11M would be coming in.
Buffalo didnt go nowhere with Hasek who was the greatest goalie of all timeThe jets have went nowhere with him for a reason. Don’t want him.
Oh yes. I misread his contract. It would, if that $8 million is the contract, be $11 million. They could still fit it but it would take more. Also, Kopitar's $11 million comes off year after this coming one.PLD is looking for around 8M and Helleybuck at 50% is 3M no? That means 11M would be coming in.
Great goalies have the ability to carry teams farther than they should be. Jets have never went anywhere with him.Buffalo didnt go nowhere with Hasek who was the greatest goalie of all time
Price has no cups
Lundqvist has no cups
thats the best 2 goalies of this past decade
even the Oilers cant win with the 2 best players in the world
its okay if you dont want him but hes not overrated at all hes great
How do you figure 6? Trade Durzi and Arvidsson and you replace them with Spence/Clarke/Bjornfot and Kaliyev/Chromiak/Turcotte/ for those 82 games.They would need to add 6 players to their roster in that scenario.
The Vezina voters disagree with your assessment of goalies in this case, but if you do not like him that is no problem your opinion is as valid as mineGreat goalies have the ability to carry teams farther than they should be. Jets have never went anywhere with him.
Currently, they have the following amount players on non-expiring deals counting against the cap, and roughly 7.5M of caproom :How do you figure 6? Trade Durzi and Arvidsson and you replace them with Spence/Clarke/Bjornfot and Kaliyev/Chromiak/Turcotte/ for those 82 games.
Jets' leverage is directly related to the market, and the trade price will be set by the underbidder(s).
Potential bidders:
A. Montreal (confirmed interest)
B. 4-5 other sign-and-trade teams (reported)
C. Potential 1-year "rental" contender teams (speculative)
A and B could be in direct bidding competition.
If A and B don't offer much, then the Jets can still look at group C, which would consist of teams that might have an interest in "renting" Dubois for the season and playoff run.
It really only takes a couple of bidders to generate some leverage for the Jets. Looking at rental prices for similar players, that probably sets the "floor" for the trade value.
As for concerns that the Jets have been losers in the Laine / Dubois, they have gained a combined 500 games, 203 goals / 393 points from those two players over the past 7 seasons, for a very low cap hit. Now, the Jets will likely get at minimum a 1st and decent prospect in trade, and another team will end up paying a premium for Dubois' next 7-8 seasons.
He submits a list of 8 teams he wouldn't go to.Josh Anderson has an NTC.
You really think that Dubois is the missing piece to the Cup?LA has more to offer than the Habs do, so I think it's just a matter of preference. He can win now and do all the big city stuff he wants to do in LA, or he can go home, do most of that big city stuff in Montreal, but maybe not win for a few years.
And you can basically guarantee Winnipeg is on there.He submits a list of 8 teams he wouldn't go to.
Yeah I don't think you're getting both of them for Durzi and Arvidsson. I'm just pointing out that you could get them with those two clearing the space. I'm guessing you'd also need to add another part or two. Hell, add an Iafallo or Moore and now you've got 6.5M to fill 7 spots.Currently, they have the following amount players on non-expiring deals counting against the cap, and roughly 7.5M of caproom :
F : 11
D : 5
G : 1
Trade Durzi and Arvidson (and add Dubois at, say, 8M, and you have 11F, 4 D and 1 G, along with 5.5M of caproom; add Hellebuyck at 50%, and you have roughly 2.5M of caproom, with still 6 skaters missing...).
bah god, that's winnipeg jets musicHe submits a list of 8 teams he wouldn't go to.
He submits a list of 8 teams he wouldn't go to.
You really think that Dubois is the missing piece to the Cup?
No they aren't. The Kings beat up on bad teams and struggled in crunch time. Sounds a lot like their coach.I'd be 99% sure that Winnipeg is on that 8 team list.
I think Dubois could help push LA over the top, they're already a really good team.
How is losing to a stronger team than them getting exposed.No they aren't. The Kings beat up on bad teams and struggled in crunch time. Sounds a lot like their coach.
Smoke and mirrors during the regular season and get exposed during the playoffs.
As a Jets fan I would take both to make it work if needed, and I'm one that doesn't want to take much salary back if possible. The reason I would is that both contracts are relatively short, and both have some value if they also needed to be moved.Probably need both Iafallo/Arvidson to make cap work for LA. LA adds 11.6M here only ships out about 4.2 assuming its higher pd arvidsson who goes. That is a net +7.4 to the Kings which eats up all their cap space with a roster of 11F 5D and 2G
Also of note is that Chevy seems to like multi-player trades. Both The Kane and Laine trades moved multi players. Git ‘er done Chevy!IIRC there was also comments out there about PLD.......AND Helle to LA, that would be a block buster trade of the summer I'm sure.
Huh? The Kings were 6th in the conference last year and then added a PPG player in the offseason. The fact that "fans" didn't have them making they playoffs this year says something about them and their viewing habits. Pretty much all Kings fans had them making the playoffs this year.How is losing to a stronger team than them getting exposed.
Most hockey fans didint even have Kings making the playoffs if anything last season was a success for the kings
Right but there are management groups in the NHL who believe in trying to actually ice a competitive team and try to do some damage in the post season if possible. Its not all about being a contender or a tanker surely there is some middle ground here noHuh? The Kings were 6th in the conference last year and then added a PPG player in the offseason. The fact that "fans" didn't have them making they playoffs this year says something about them and their viewing habits. Pretty much all Kings fans had them making the playoffs this year.
The Kings are a middle of the road team that is not "on the cusp of winning". Their best players are on the wrong side of 30. They've traded prospects and draft picks in the hope of competing and holding onto the past.
They're first round fodder and a chance for a contending team to get into playoff shape.
I would tend to agree.And you can basically guarantee Winnipeg is on there.
I agree and that is why i don't believe that Dubois is the missing piece for a cup win.Huh? The Kings were 6th in the conference last year and then added a PPG player in the offseason. The fact that "fans" didn't have them making they playoffs this year says something about them and their viewing habits. Pretty much all Kings fans had them making the playoffs this year.
The Kings are a middle of the road team that is not "on the cusp of winning". Their best players are on the wrong side of 30. They've traded prospects and draft picks in the hope of competing and holding onto the past.
They're first round fodder and a chance for a contending team to get into playoff shape.
I think any management group that said, at the beginning of any season, "We don't think we can win the whole thing, but we think we can at least win a round" should be fired.Right but there are management groups in the NHL who believe in trying to actually ice a competitive team and try to do some damage in the post season if possible. Its not all about being a contender or a tanker surely there is some middle ground here no
He isn't...but Blake might think he is. Actually, he's probably just hoping the guy is enough to get them into the 3rd round. He's actively trying to save his job. Last year of his deal with absolutely zero success after inheriting a 29 year old Kopitar, a 27 year old Drew Doughty, a 28 year old Jonathan Quick, and a robust farm system.I would tend to agree.
I agree and that is why i don't believe that Dubois is the missing piece for a cup win.