LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[Canadienna]

Hab fans, is there a consensus on wanting PLD on your team? I mean getting a young solid player for next to nothing is an attractive option....however, are some Hab fans concerned about PLD attitude?

Habs fans have been burned by FA using them as leverage to increase contract demands, so there's some reticence there.

PLD seems to be accommodating the Jets pretty well, so I don't think any of this shows character issues.

In my opinion that Jets locker room has seemed treacherous for a while, and we just don't know what's going on in a person's life.

Well you guys are going to get him for next to nothing....personally speaking, I would be thrilled to get a young potential great player for nothing....even with some of his attitude problems....I think those traits will disappear when he is playing in Montreal, a place it seems he has always wanted to be.....

I'm not as sure as you are. If there is truth to the report that there are 5 or 6 teams he will sign and trade long-term with than the Habs leverage goes kaput.

 

[Thechozen1]

honestly, I'd do Chytil+Schneider+24th for Dubois
the only question with the Rangers is how do they squeeze PLD into their cap structure for more than a year? I really have no clue. You can't be paying him more than 7.5 for it to really work and even then, it's tricky. The cap does rise next year I guess but it's still gonna be tight, too tight.

Lafreniere-Dubois-Kakko
would be a real heavy line. would love to see it

If Goodrow would waive, I’d take him on the Jets as the salary dump. I’d even add Stanley or Heinola to balance the value a bit.

 

[scarbrow]

If Goodrow would waive, I’d take him on the Jets as the salary dump. I’d even add Stanley or Heinola to balance the value a bit.

Had the same idea

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Bo Horvat disagrees.

True. What a f***ing brutal signing by the Isles.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Damn

Bud wants $63 million

I too want $63 million...

 

[Wayfarer13]

I think its just wishful thinking from Habs fans that they can keep the entire cake, steal our cake and eat them both. But its more likely that as if now Dach+ is what gets it done. If not than they will go elsewhere.

Auction sale hobbiest here. The product of an asset is determined by the back bidder as it is al east as much as they bid or slightly more. If the Jets can get more then good for them. The Habs will circle back in year and have the option of getting him without the loss of any assets. The Jets are not in the position of power here

I think its just wishful thinking from Habs fans that they can keep the entire cake, steal our cake and eat them both. But its more likely that as if now Dach+ is what gets it done. If not than they will go elsewhere.

We have not seen what the offers for PLD are yet. Likely a rental for any other team if the Habs are where PLD wants to end up.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Auction sale hobbiest here. The product of an asset is determined by the back bidder as it is al east as much as they bid or slightly more. If the Jets can get more then good for them. The Habs will circle back in year and have the option of getting him without the loss of any assets. The Jets are not in the position of power here

Yeah, because the 0.0004% of the time that actually works out, is a great plan...

 

[Turin]

Trading Laine for this dude was such a massive L on Chevy's part.

 

[Daximus]

Auction sale hobbiest here. The product of an asset is determined by the back bidder as it is al east as much as they bid or slightly more. If the Jets can get more then good for them. The Habs will circle back in year and have the option of getting him without the loss of any assets. The Jets are not in the position of power here


We have not seen what the offers for PLD are yet. Likely a rental for any other team if the Habs are where PLD wants to end up.

It really all depends on what the other teams he's willing to sign with are. If the Habs won't play ball and he will sign with the other 5 teams he listed than we will just try and get the best deal out of them.

 

[Wayfarer13]

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There is no such thing as an internal cap. When the cap explodes in a year, there is no way that Dubois is going to accept less money than he could realistically command because of Nick Suzuki.

That is a year from now not now. Now internal caps are not set in stone but hand guide.

Yeah, because the 0.0004% of the time that actually works out, is a great plan...

You have never bought and sold I take it?

 

[Wayfarer13]

It really all depends on what the other teams he's willing to sign with are. If the Habs won't play ball and he will sign with the other 5 teams he listed than we will just try and get the best deal out of them.

Sometimes the size of the contract is not the only factor in a decision. Give it about 3 or 4 weeks to sort out. As a Habs fan this year is another of transition so I am in no hurry as to whether or not we get PLD this year. Feeling pretty good if we get the handle on the injury issues and have fix the debacle development has been.

 

[SCP Guy]

The Habs are going to out smart themselves here…. They don’t need him bad enough to pay the price (his contract demands and needed assets) Someone else will take him on and the world will keep spinning … Montreal will keep playing hockey and so will Winnipeg….This is my guess

 

[KevinRedkey]

You have never bought and sold I take it?

I may not have been clear. I was specifically talking about the NHL.

Comments along the lines of "We'll just sign him for free" just remind me a lot of Flyers fans being convinced they would get Bobby Ryan, and countless other similar "coming home" theories that pretty much never work out (in the NHL).

When it comes to auction items, I'm sure you're far more educated on that than I am, and will take your word for it.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

At this point I'm not sure why any team would go out of their way to aquire PLD. Feel for Peg fans, but the guy hasn't been a team player in his short career.

 

[Wayfarer13]

I may not have been clear. I was specifically talking about the NHL.

Comments along the lines of "We'll just sign him for free" just remind me a lot of Flyers fans being convinced they would get Bobby Ryan, and countless other similar "coming home" theories that pretty much never work out (in the NHL).

When it comes to auction items, I'm sure you're far more educated on that than I am, and will take your word for it.

All asset management. No difference. Buyer-seller motivations are important here. What PLD's market value will likely be set in about 3 or 4 weeks. The Habs may get him this year and there is not of pressure to do so as this year is a year of transition (check the depth chart and Capfriendly). They can circle back in a year and reevaluate in a year with the option of getting him without the expense of giving up assets.

 

[JohnTheBaptist]

All asset management. No difference. Buyer-seller motivations are important here. What PLD's market value will likely be set in about 3 or 4 weeks. The Habs may get him this year and there is not of pressure to do so as this year is a year of transition (check the depth chart and Capfriendly). They can circle back in a year and reevaluate in a year with the option of getting him without the expense of giving up assets.

At 9 million He can kick rocks we don't want him. If Winnipeg wants our garbage in trade and if he's willing to take the same deal as Caufield then sure.

 

[KevinRedkey]

All asset management. No difference. Buyer-seller motivations are important here. What PLD's market value will likely be set in about 3 or 4 weeks. The Habs may get him this year and there is not of pressure to do so as this year is a year of transition (check the depth chart and Capfriendly). They can circle back in a year and reevaluate in a year with the option of getting him without the expense of giving up assets.

That option is a possibility, but there's also the possibility he signs a long-term extension with somoeone else entirely before then. At that point, the "get him for no assets" option is no longer available. In the NHL, that happens a lot more often than a player going home. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Wayfarer13]

At 9 million He can kick rocks we don't want him. If Winnipeg wants our garbage in trade and if he's willing to take the same deal as Caufield then sure.

His team are likely looking at the Caufield contract and factoring it into what his desire to come into Montreal is. Does it change things? I don't know.

 

[Wayfarer13]

That option is a possibility, but there's also the possibility he signs a long-term extension with somoeone else entirely before then. At that point, the "get him for no assets" option is no longer available. In the NHL, that happens a lot more often than a player going home. That's all I'm saying.

You're correct on that. Risk is part of the game here on all sides. Glad I am not signing the checks.

 

[KevinRedkey]

At 9 million He can kick rocks we don't want him. If Winnipeg wants our garbage in trade and if he's willing to take the same deal as Caufield then sure.

I realise he was on pace for 30 goals and 70 points this year, but hes played over 5 full seasons in the NHL and has never actually hit those numbers. 9 Million seems like quite a lot for that production. Especially in a world where many Centers are blowing those numbers out of the water for less money.

I guess I'm asking if he's actually asking for that much? Seems kind of ridiculous to ask over 8.000 IMO

 

[norrisnick]

All asset management. No difference. Buyer-seller motivations are important here. What PLD's market value will likely be set in about 3 or 4 weeks. The Habs may get him this year and there is not of pressure to do so as this year is a year of transition (check the depth chart and Capfriendly). They can circle back in a year and reevaluate in a year with the option of getting him without the expense of giving up assets.

Stuff you buy and sell at auction doesn't have a say in the process. Hockey players do. If Winterpeg flips him to a team he's willing to commit to, there is no circling back in a year.

 

[Fatass]

His team are likely looking at the Caufield contract and factoring it into what his desire to come into Montreal is. Does it change things? I don't know.

If CC is just shy of 8 x 8 then PLD would expect 10 x 8. Not really close as players.

 

[JRichard]

I may not have been clear. I was specifically talking about the NHL.

Comments along the lines of "We'll just sign him for free" just remind me a lot of Flyers fans being convinced they would get Bobby Ryan, and countless other similar "coming home" theories that pretty much never work out (in the NHL).

When it comes to auction items, I'm sure you're far more educated on that than I am, and will take your word for it.

And more recently Gaudreau.

 

[barkovcanfinnish]

This dude ain’t worth 9 million. He’s worth maybe 7.25 a year.

 

[JohnTheBaptist]

His team are likely looking at the Caufield contract and factoring it into what his desire to come into Montreal is. Does it change things? I don't know.

Honestly we have nothing good to offer them. They can have these players:

Dvorak
Armia
Gallagher

They are crazy if they think they are getting some of our young studs or top prospects.

Maybe they can have Kidney or Roy.

Hearing he wants 9 million is a major turn off. We lost our bonner it's gone. Let another team have him we don't need him. If he really wants to be here he'll come in free agency and sign for around 7.5 mil.