LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[Baksfamous112]

Apparently Montreal fans don't want to give up Mailloux and he's not someone I'd want the Jets to go after anyway.

Not that it matters much but I think there’s a bigger chance Mailloux go rather than Barron.

 

[MXD]

Apparently Montreal fans don't want to give up Mailloux and he's not someone I'd want the Jets to go after anyway.

Well, he's a RD with a very high ceiling (though with a rather high chance to not reach it), something there's not exactly a boatload of in the organization.

 

[Bladerunner62]

I think the Trouba deal is what Chevy aims for. Will he get it from someone? Maybe.

But PLD at 8.5-9 millions* 8 is really, really stupid.

He didn't have any leverage in the Trouba deal. It was Rangers or bust. WPG has leverage now, with PLD giving them 5 to 6 team trade list. the Jets will get more then the Trouba deal.

 

[Colezuki]

The hard part is now that we know that 6 other teams can be involved we have no idea what that does to the value. Are all the rest of the teams interested? Are the Jets willing to deal Dubois in division to Minny? Who knows but I can't see how this is a competitive offer at all for 8 years of a signed sealed and delivered 6'3 physical top 6 C. Despite the noise around him its not like players like this come on the market very often and are the types of moves that can turn a franchise around fast. We were looking for a player like this for years and if we had a player like this in our 2018 run we might have had a chance.

Oh I agree, I made the case last night Dubois could've picked 6 teams that each aren't able to accommodate just to screw around. I don't think he did but it's one of those things in this messy situation. I also don't think MTL will offer the most, but despite arpon's comments (which for those on here who aren't familiar, he isn't that reliable when it comes to contracts. His information is likely coming from Murat Ates on the Jets side but Arpon himself never really breaks anything), I dont believe the Salary ask is 9M from MTL. What I also think complicates this is the 2 team dip thing, whose to say if Im the Wild I trade for Dubois and he gets grumpy and wants to go to MTL, that may make the other gm's a little more hesitant.

Very weird and difficult situation to value correctly

 

[Wayfarer13]

Now that Hab fans finally realize that they are not getting Dubois “for free!!”, it‘s now pretty amusing seeing them now dump on the guy.

Free could be in a year but for now any suitors are valuing the trade based on their sense of risk.

 

[Mersss]

Maybe something like Dvorak, Farrell, Mailloux, 1st FLA

Why is Dubois getting 2 better prospects than the Nucks did with Horvat?

 

[WarriorofTime]

Unless Winnipeg has a blank check from Thompson (doubtful) to sustain any operating losses indefinitely, they are probably pretty screwed as a franchise. Tiny arena, no corporate sponsorship, little in the way of a local media market, team is gonna fall off hard but ownership is too scared to rebuild or ticket sales might completely disappear.

Once the Coyotes are moved, if a second city emerges as a good destination, it’ll be a test of will for the Winnipeg ownership to resist a sale that moves the team. There are serious questions as to whether Winnipeg is a viable major pro sports market on a long term basis.

 

[Wayfarer13]

i wanted Dubois but not at 9Mill if thats what he wants then pass hes not worth that

Suzuki contract is the internal cap.
If he is willing to accept a contract that acknowledges this then it would put the Habs in a good position

 

[BatVader]

It’s funny… this site is the only place I’ve encountered where its said Habs won’t trade Dach for PLD… some other sites its the expectation… will be interesting to see how this all breaks down if he ends up a Hab

 

[Wats]

Why is Dubois getting 2 better prospects than the Nucks did with Horvat?

He's better and the pick is 31/32?

 

[Captain97]

Suzuki contract is the internal cap.
If he is willing to accept a contract that acknowledges this then it would put the Habs in a good position

Kent Hughes came out and explained that's for players coming of ELC UFAs or players close to it are different

 

[Daximus]

Oh I agree, I made the case last night Dubois could've picked 6 teams that each aren't able to accommodate just to screw around. I don't think he did but it's one of those things in this messy situation. I also don't think MTL will offer the most, but despite arpon's comments (which for those on here who aren't familiar, he isn't that reliable when it comes to contracts. His information is likely coming from Murat Ates on the Jets side but Arpon himself never really breaks anything), I dont believe the Salary ask is 9M from MTL. What I also think complicates this is the 2 team dip thing, whose to say if Im the Wild I trade for Dubois and he gets grumpy and wants to go to MTL, that may make the other gm's a little more hesitant.

Very weird and difficult situation to value correctly

Yeah that is the other side of the coin. I think MTL is hesitant and his agent knows this so he is hoping opening things up and involving other teams makes the brass in Montreal more willing to make a deal. If the rumours of NYR, Minny and other big markets are true he may just want the lifestyle those markets provid more than anything else and will likely be happy there. CBJ and WPG can't provide that lifestyle so its understandable to an extent why he just doesn't want to play in a small market.

 

[John Mandalorian]

The hard part is now that we know that 6 other teams can be involved we have no idea what that does to the value. Are all the rest of the teams interested? Are the Jets willing to deal Dubois in division to Minny? Who knows but I can't see how this is a competitive offer at all for 8 years of a signed sealed and delivered 6'3 physical top 6 C. Despite the noise around him its not like players like this come on the market very often and are the types of moves that can turn a franchise around fast. We were looking for a player like this for years and if we had a player like this in our 2018 run we might have had a chance.

If PLD/PB are deciding the 5 or 6 teams, it may be completely different teams than one might expect.

 

[BLONG7]

He's a 60-point player, the same as the Habs' #1C is a 60 point player (and just one year older).

Over the past 3 seasons...
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One has played on a bottom feeder though...............PLD has been in a much better situation compared to Nick.
He has been a support player in their top 6 and Suzuki has been our only top 6 player who has stayed healthy, and has had junk like Armia on his wing at times..........
I like PLD as an add to our top 6 but I am not on the hype train...

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Unless Winnipeg has a blank check from Thompson (doubtful) to sustain any operating losses indefinitely, they are probably pretty screwed as a franchise. Tiny arena, no corporate sponsorship, little in the way of a local media market, team is gonna fall off hard but ownership is too scared to rebuild or ticket sales might completely disappear.

Once the Coyotes are moved, if a second city emerges as a good destination, it’ll be a test of will for the Winnipeg ownership to resist a sale that moves the team. There are serious questions as to whether Winnipeg is a viable major pro sports market on a long term basis.

The owners are buying up real estate in downtown Winnipeg and doing many other things with it. They really are not just in it for the Jets they are in it for the Value of the real estate and other revenue generating properties.

But generally you are right about its support. Some people seem to think the Jets could whether a 5 year non playoff stretch rebuilding. I am not one of those.

I don't really care if they trade PLD or Scheif. The big one is Helly. Guy is amazing and the biggest reason we have a chance at making the playoffs year after year. Going to be impossible to replace IMO.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Why is Dubois getting 2 better prospects than the Nucks did with Horvat?

One guy is younger and will have a signed contract when the trade is made

 

[Wats]

Apparently Montreal fans don't want to give up Mailloux and he's not someone I'd want the Jets to go after anyway.

I am a Montreal fan that sees moving Mailloux to essentially lock up the top 6 C needs for forseeable future is a wise move. Can understand why he wouldn't hold value to some though. If he carries his offensive production next season in AHL though he probably becomes an untouchable.

Also I feel like Montreal won't give him more than 8M so maybe Dubois doesn't even want to be a Habs player.

 

[WarriorofTime]

It’s funny… this site is the only place I’ve encountered where its said Habs won’t trade Dach for PLD… some other sites its the expectation… will be interesting to see how this all breaks down if he ends up a Hab

Habs fans are just delusional when it comes to Dach. He’s a nice kid and I have nothing against him, but at age 22, he looks more and more going forward just like “a guy” than a franchise game changing centerman.

 

[Daximus]

Suzuki contract is the internal cap.
If he is willing to accept a contract that acknowledges this then it would put the Habs in a good position

I think its just wishful thinking from Habs fans that they can keep the entire cake, steal our cake and eat them both. But its more likely that as if now Dach+ is what gets it done. If not than they will go elsewhere.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Suzuki contract is the internal cap.
If he is willing to accept a contract that acknowledges this then it would put the Habs in a good position

There is no such thing as an internal cap. When the cap explodes in a year, there is no way that Dubois is going to accept less money than he could realistically command because of Nick Suzuki.

 

[BLONG7]

Apparently he wants 8yrs 9M+ and he prefers a contender. He'll also want some say where he plays.

Not surprising at all............habs just get used to drive up the $$$
Rinse and Repeat................been happening for 20 years now.

 

[Mersss]

One guy is younger and will have a signed contract when the trade is made

If you think the contrat with Horvat wasn't discussed before the trade happened you are delusionnal.

And the fact he is younger doesn't change anything. One is a 60pt C the other one is a PPG C.

 

[tbcwpg]

Not that it matters much but I think there’s a bigger chance Mailloux go rather than Barron.

Well, he's a RD with a very high ceiling (though with a rather high chance to not reach it), something there's not exactly a boatload of in the organization.

I am a Montreal fan that sees moving Mailloux to essentially lock up the top 6 C needs for forseeable future is a wise move. Can understand why he wouldn't hold value to some though. If he carries his offensive production next season in AHL though he probably becomes an untouchable.

Also I feel like Montreal won't give him more than 8M so maybe Dubois doesn't even want to be a Habs player.

My aversion to Mailloux isn't really based on his hockey ability.

 

[BLONG7]

There is no such thing as an internal cap. When the cap explodes in a year, there is no way that Dubois is going to accept less money than he could realistically command because of Nick Suzuki.

Keeping an internal cap is almost an impossible thing to do now.................the Bruins had been lucky the last 5-6 years or so, but other than that, pretty no team has been able to do it............

 

[Daximus]

There is no such thing as an internal cap. When the cap explodes in a year, there is no way that Dubois is going to accept less money than he could realistically command because of Nick Suzuki.

There is no way that any player would. Habs will lose a lot of guys if they think that is a realistic target.

If you think the contrat with Horvat wasn't discussed before the trade happened you are delusionnal.

And the fact he is younger doesn't change anything. One is a 60pt C the other one is a PPG C.

Maybe Vancouvers GM just sucks at trades?