LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[Guffman]

Now that Hab fans finally realize that they are not getting Dubois “for free!!”, it‘s now pretty amusing seeing them now dump on the guy.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I expect PLD to be moved by draft day if the reports of 5 or 6 different teams being on the docket is true. Biggest bid wins the sign and trade.

Won’t be a sign and trade cause he is an RFa. Team that gets him just throws a qualifying offer at him.

 

[Daximus]

Won’t be a sign and trade cause he is an RFa. Team that gets him just throws a qualifying offer at him.

Apparantly he is willing to do a sign and trade to at least 5 maybe 6 different teams so the team that gets him gets the 8th year. His agent is playing ball to speed this along so the deal will likely be done before long. He will be signed well before July 1st.

 

[Guffman]

did they confirm how much for 2024 ?

It would be based on the 2023-2024 revenues so obviously not.

But all the debt that players owed the NHL will finally be settled so the cap will grow unhindered based on revenues.

I think it should be a significant bump starting next year.

 

[junyab]

To reduce his value to just "a 60pt guy" isn't doing him fair justice. He's a huge guy and plays a physical game. And I believe his offensive potential is far greater than what he's shown.

 

[Daximus]

It would be based on the 2023-2024 revenues so obviously not.

But all the debt that players owed the NHL will finally be settled so the cap will grow unhindered based on revenues.

I think it should be a significant bump starting next year.

Yeah GMs are already banking on that big rise. Just in time for the next financial disaster to hit. They never learn.

To reduce his value to just "a 60pt guy" isn't doing him fair justice. He's a huge guy and plays a physical game. And I believe his offensive potential is far greater than what he's shown.

Noted Leaf killer in the playoffs too. Small sample size but he owned Matthews that series.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Now that Hab fans finally realize that they are not getting Dubois “for free!!”, it‘s now pretty amusing seeing them now dump on the guy.

for free? we either traded for him for assets or signed him has a ufa for millions on our cap theres nothing free in this world

 

[nhlfan9191]

Y’know, the salary cap will start increasing quite a bit a year from now. $9M today isn’t going to look so much part way through the contract.

I know we’ve had a flat cap for awhile now and settled on player contract values but people should realize that times are changing fast.

When the cap goes up, it would be nice to use that space effectively. Not just to fit in overpaid players.

 

[Daximus]

for free? we either traded for him for assets or signed him has a ufa for millions on our cap theres nothing free in this world

Free as in no assets given up to get him. Thats off the table now. He will be signed to a long term deal and traded to whichever of the 6 teams he has on his list that ponies up the best offer. Maybe that offer is small potatos maybe it isn't but he certainly won't be coming to Montreal for nothing if he goes there at all.

 

[Guffman]

When the cap goes up, it would be nice to use that space effectively. Not just to fit in overpaid players.

True, but what we consider an $8M player today might be considered as a $9M player next year.

If the cap goes to $88-90M, players are going to rightfully see their new contract values increase.

 

[CTHabsfan]

Now that Hab fans finally realize that they are not getting Dubois “for free!!”, it‘s now pretty amusing seeing them now dump on the guy.

Almost as funny as Jets fans calling him a clown but expecting a good return in trade.

 

[nhlfan9191]

True, but what we consider an $8M player today might be considered as a $9M player next year.

If the cap goes to $88-90M, players are going to rightfully see their new contract values increase.

He isn’t worth a dime over Suzuki or Caufield and that’s where the contract demands will breakdown. That’s even if we get to that point because of Winnipegs trade demands.

 

[Daximus]

Almost as funny as Jets fans calling him a clown but expecting a good return in trade.

Yeah but he's a clown because he refuses to sign with us. We'd take him in a heartbeat if he would though.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Free as in no assets given up to get him. Thats off the table now. He will be signed to a long term deal and traded to whichever of the 6 teams he has on his list that ponies up the best offer. Maybe that offer is small potatos maybe it isn't but he certainly won't be coming to Montreal for nothing if he goes there at all.

some wanting to wait until 2024 to see if he comes here has a free agent but alot were offering Florida's 1st ( 17 at the time ) + Beck + roster player ( cap ) which was a fair offer and still is i dont think he was getting a better one at the time but if this rumour of 5/6 teams hes willing to sign with is true then that will for sure help Winnipeg guess will have to wait and see but yes i would be disappointed if we signed Dubois for 9Mill

 

[lomiller1]

Notwithstanding the topic, i, as a habs fan, appreciate the civility in your exchanges lol.

We're hoping Dach can turn it around in the dot because his game is suited for center ; he's relentless and show glimpses of excellent 2 way playing.


1st (Florida) + Harris (decent 5 potentially 4 defenseman) + Ylonen(speedy 3rd line with maybe a little bit of potential)/Mesar/Beck?

Thats a 1st + 2 2nd or even 2 late first + a 2nd.


What would you guys think?

I'm not really seeing a lot of value for the Jets here.

Florida's 1st is nearly a second

Harris probably doesn't make the Jets roster at this point in time and at would be stuck in a logjam of young LHD with Heinola and Chisholm.

Ylonen is a depth player who doesn't have much value because you easily find UFA players to do the same job.

Mesar and Beck are younger but point pre game players in the CHL don't usually turn into more than depth players in the NHL. It's not impossible one of them breaks out but at best they are lottery tickets.

 

[Darren McCord]

You mean the two munchkins that brought them to the SCF two years ago and were 1 & 3 in points production for their team at 20 and 21 years old?

Habs top 6 also consist of Dach (6’4 220), Anderson, (6’3 218) and also eventually Slafkovsky (6’3 238). I think they will be fine with or without Dubois

Lol no Suzuki had 16 pts and Caufield had 12.

Carey Price and Weber willed them to the SCF in a weird season. They were fourth in goals and had a -3 goal differential despite being in the finals AND sweeping a team lamo.

 

[Daximus]

I'm not really seeing a lot of value for the Jets here.

Florida's 1st is nearly a second

Harris probably doesn't make the Jets roster at this point in time and at would be stuck in a logjam of young LHD with Heinola and Chisholm.

Ylonen is a depth player who doesn't have much value because you easily find UFA players to do the same job.

Mesar and Beck are younger but point pre game players in the CHL don't usually turn into more than depth players in the NHL. It's not impossible one of them breaks out but at best they are lottery tickets.

Yeah that Florida first would have been a 2nd like 6 years ago. So its basically a crap shoot of an offer for what amounts to 8 years of a top 6 C. I'd imagine there will be much more competative offers given up by other interested parties.

 

[Colezuki]

I'm not really seeing a lot of value for the Jets here.

Florida's 1st is nearly a second

Harris probably doesn't make the Jets roster at this point in time and at would be stuck in a logjam of young LHD with Heinola and Chisholm.

Ylonen is a depth player who doesn't have much value because you easily find UFA players to do the same job.

Mesar and Beck are younger but point pre game players in the CHL don't usually turn into more than depth players in the NHL. It's not impossible one of them breaks out but at best they are lottery tickets.

I could see something like RHP, Beck (or kidney/Mesar), a 4th and the "lower" (i.e. if one is 12th and the other 13th the 13th) of the Calgary/ Montreal Picks in 2024/2025. already a mess of conditions there so I'm sure there'd be even more that I'd rather not try and type out.

Essentially, deal would boil down to a Winger whose ready to step in and start the season where we have a log jam today. A center prospect for the future, a 4th and a 1st

And yes while RHP is small he plays a bit like gallagher and is young

 

[Wats]

LHD is the last thing the Jets would ask for or take.......Harris likely isn't part of any deal

Maybe something like Dvorak, Farrell, Mailloux, 1st FLA

 

[LemonSauceD]

How funny is that Columbus would probably be a better team if they swapped Laine and Dubois considering their need for centre lol.

 

[Daximus]

I could see something like RHP, Beck (or kidney/Mesar), a 4th and the "lower" (i.e. if one is 12th and the other 13th the 13th) of the Calgary/ Montreal Picks in 2024. already a mess of conditions there so I'm sure there'd be even more that I'd rather not try and type out.

Essentially, deal would boil down to a Winger whose ready to step in and start the season we're we have a log jam today. A center prospect for the future, a 4th and a 1st

And yes while RHP is small he plays a bit like gallagher and is young

The hard part is now that we know that 6 other teams can be involved we have no idea what that does to the value. Are all the rest of the teams interested? Are the Jets willing to deal Dubois in division to Minny? Who knows but I can't see how this is a competitive offer at all for 8 years of a signed sealed and delivered 6'3 physical top 6 C. Despite the noise around him its not like players like this come on the market very often and are the types of moves that can turn a franchise around fast. We were looking for a player like this for years and if we had a player like this in our 2018 run we might have had a chance.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

To reduce his value to just "a 60pt guy" isn't doing him fair justice. He's a huge guy and plays a physical game. And I believe his offensive potential is far greater than what he's shown.

He is also moody, inconsistent and has feuded with the two organizations he's played for (The junior claims are BS). I agree there are positive intangibles about this guy, but there are certainly negative intangibles as well.

I don't see why Dubois is more valuable than Suzuki, who is just as talented, has shown good leadership, is exremely reliable and also has untapped potential. So I'd be disappointed to pay Dubois more money than our captain.

Hopefully we stay away from this guy if the assets required or the contract demanded are unreasonable.

 

[tbcwpg]

Maybe something like Dvorak, Farrell, Mailloux, 1st FLA

Apparently Montreal fans don't want to give up Mailloux and he's not someone I'd want the Jets to go after anyway.

 

[34]

Can’t blame him. Winnipeg, Edmonton and Calgary all places no one wants to be.

 

[tbcwpg]

He is also moody, inconsistent and has feuded with the two organizations he's played for (The junior claims are BS). I agree there are positive intangibles about this guy, but there are certainly negative intangibles as well.

I don't see why Dubois is more valuable than Suzuki, who is just as talented, has shown good leadership, is exremely reliable and also has untapped potential. So I'd be disappointed to pay Dubois more money than our captain.

Hopefully we stay away from this guy if the assets required or the contract demanded are unreasonable.

The only reason Dubois would get more is that he's older, while Suzuki just signed his first deal after his ELC.

I understand Suzuki might be the more valuable player but I don't think Montreal can limit their salary structure to have a player coming off his ELC at the top of that because it will severely limit who they can get going forward, especially with escrow ending soon and the cap being projected to jump next summer.