LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[jimmysheva]

Compher and Newhook

 

[Mersss]

He's better and the pick is 31/32?

Raty isn't better than Farrell or Mailloux. He's a B type prospect like Mesar, Mysak etc.

And the Horvat trade was for a playoff pick. It could've ended as the 31-32 also and Nucks didn't know at the time of the trade.

Fact is a better C than Dubois got a late 1st (at the time of the trade) a B prospect and a Cap Dump. Jets fan have to get through their heads that their GM has zero leverage. Dealing from a position of weakness and will only get 70cents for his dollar.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

If you think the contrat with Horvat wasn't discussed before the trade happened you are delusionnal.

And the fact he is younger doesn't change anything. One is a 60pt C the other one is a PPG C.

That would be tampering. Teams get in trouble for that.

Neither of them are PPG centers but delude yourself some more

 

[Mersss]

There is no way that any player would. Habs will lose a lot of guys if they think that is a realistic target.



Maybe Vancouvers GM just sucks at trades?

Value is set, if Chevy thinks otherwise he can keep Dubois and let him walk at the end of the year also. His value his lower than Horvat, and all the Jets fans hoping to get a better return are in for a ride of whining and crying once the deal is achieved.

 

[Daximus]

Raty isn't better than Farrell or Mailloux. He's a B type prospect like Mesar, Mysak etc.

And the Horvat trade was for a playoff pick. It could've ended as the 31-32 also and Nucks didn't know at the time of the trade.

Fact is a better C than Dubois got a late 1st (at the time of the trade) a B prospect and a Cap Dump. Jets fan have to get through their heads that their GM has zero leverage. Dealing from a position of weakness and will only get 70cents for his dollar.

Chevy has been between a rock and a hard place before and has generally come out more favourably than anyone on HF suggests he would.

 

[BLONG7]

Habs fans are just delusional when it comes to Dach. He’s a nice kid and I have nothing against him, but at age 22, he looks more and more going forward just like “a guy” than a franchise game changing centerman.

He had some great games last year, playing on the top line............he has some nice hands!
That said, he always seems to get hurt, so.............but I like this kid and at 3.4M for 3 more years, he will be a very good player for the habs.

 

[Mersss]

Chevy has been between a rock and a hard place before and has generally come out more favourably than anyone on HF suggests he would.

We'll wait and see. Bur based on facts Dubois value is a late 1st, a B prospect and a dump.

Chevy will be able to deal him to loke 5-6 teams. And from those teams probably half of them won't have the rebuilding tools the Jets will want or the cap to make it work.

 

[MardyBum]

There is no such thing as an internal cap. When the cap explodes in a year, there is no way that Dubois is going to accept less money than he could realistically command because of Nick Suzuki.

Plus :

 

[Daximus]

Value is set, if Chevy thinks otherwise he can keep Dubois and let him walk at the end of the year also. His value his lower than Horvat, and all the Jets fans hoping to get a better return are in for a ride of whining and crying once the deal is achieved.

Like I said maybe Vancouvers GM just reallt sucks at making trades. Chevy has proven time and again that he can generally get more value than people on HF assume he can. I don't see why 8 years of a 6'3 physical top 6 C who is open to going to at least 6 other teams will be any different. In fact this is probably one of the more favouable positions he has been in regarding players wanting out.

We'll wait and see. Bur based on facts Dubois value is a late 1st, a B prospect and a dump.

Chevy will be able to deal him to loke 5-6 teams. And from those teams probably half of them won't have the rebuilding tools the Jets will want or the cap to make it work.

The Horvat deal is really the only time a player of that calibre was traded for a bad package. Projecting Vancouvers trade failures onto Chevy is unrealistic.

 

[MXD]

My aversion to Mailloux isn't really based on his hockey ability.

Of course -- I'm just stating why Mailloux is rather highly rated.

Not to mention, there are pretty good reasons to believe this actual trade value doesn't quite reflect his value as a hockey player for what can probably be described as obvious reasons.

 

[Colezuki]

I think its just wishful thinking from Habs fans that they can keep the entire cake, steal our cake and eat them both. But its more likely that as if now Dach+ is what gets it done. If not than they will go elsewhere.

Elliotte Friedmann - “I’ve had people say to me “It’s simple, you trade Dubois to Montreal and you ask for Dach.” I think if it were that simple, it would be done already, so I don’t think it’s that simple.”

Arpon has also said - "they don't know how they'd fit Dubois with Dach which makes them hesitant and there happy with his development"

That suggests to me that Dach isn't on the table, not to mention that I'd like to know which other team would give up a player of Dachs quality and age for him?

 

[Wats]

Habs fans are just delusional when it comes to Dach. He’s a nice kid and I have nothing against him, but at age 22, he looks more and more going forward just like “a guy” than a franchise game changing centerman.

I don't know about franchise altering but why would the Habs trade a huge 22 yr old guy who looks like he can at least be 50+ point player on his own right after last season making 3.4M for next 3 years for Dubois? They only have Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Slafkovsky up front that are young with upside. Only really makes sense to add to those guys unless the return is an actual franchise game changing C...which Dubois is not.

He's good, probably as good if not better than Suzuki on some level, but not franchise altering.

 

[Daximus]

Elliotte Friedmann - “I’ve had people say to me “It’s simple, you trade Dubois to Montreal and you ask for Dach.” I think if it were that simple, it would be done already, so I don’t think it’s that simple.”

Arpon has also said - "they don't know how they'd fit Dubois with Dach which makes them hesitant and there happy with his development"

That suggests to me that Dach isn't on the table, not to mention that I'd like to know which other team would give up a player of Dachs quality and age for him?

No idea if the other teams involved are interested and what they may be offering. We only know that the Jets want Dach and MTL is hesitant to give him up.

 

[CTHabsfan]

My aversion to Mailloux isn't really based on his hockey ability.

Oh, is it because you find it impossible to forgive someone regarding one incident which took place when they were 17-years old, even though there is nothing to suggest they have done anything wrong since?

 

[Frank Drebin]

It’s funny… this site is the only place I’ve encountered where its said Habs won’t trade Dach for PLD… some other sites its the expectation… will be interesting to see how this all breaks down if he ends up a Hab

Jets are better off targeting other teams who I'm sure would be happy to trade away better young players than Kirby Dach for one year of PLD.

Thats not the way trades go down. The team with the player demanding a trade out rarely gets a core piece in return. Its usually a fair bit of quantity.

 

[sepHF]

trying to think of any other guys who have requested trades on multiple teams, cant think of any

 

[Daximus]

Jets are better off targeting other teams who I'm sure would be happy to trade away better young players than Kirby Dach for one year of PLD.

Thats not the way trades go down. The team with the player demanding a trade out rarely gets a core piece in return. Its usually a fair bit of quantity.

His agent has stated there are 6 teams he is willing to go to and he is willing to do a sign and trade. So its 8 years to 6 teams or 1 year to the other 25.

 

[Colezuki]

His agent has stated there are 6 teams he is willing to go to and he is willing to do a sign and trade. So its 8 years to 6 teams or 1 year to the other 25.

this I'd agree with but for the other 25 he is for sure a rental which means horvat at best

 

[WarriorofTime]

I don't know about franchise altering but why would the Habs trade a huge 22 yr old guy who looks like he can at least be 50+ point player on his own right after last season making 3.4M for next 3 years for Dubois? They only have Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Slafkovsky up front that are young with upside. Only really makes sense to add to those guys unless the return is an actual franchise game changing C...which Dubois is not.

He's good, probably as good if not better than Suzuki on some level, but not franchise altering.

Because they gotta trade something if the ‘Peg are gonna send Dubois that way.

 

[Frank Drebin]

His agent has stated there are 6 teams he is willing to go to and he is willing to do a sign and trade. So its 8 years to 6 teams or 1 year to the other 25.

Like I said, I'm sure those 5 other teams have more enticing players than Kirby Dach. Maybe Colorado would be willing to part with Alex Newhook. Or, if you're really lucky, Kotkaniemi from Carolina.

 

[Buffdog]

No idea if the other teams involved are interested and what they may be offering. We only know that the Jets want Dach and MTL is hesitant to give him up.

MTL could have been hesitant to give up Dach if they thought (like Habs posters here) that PLD was walking himself to UFA and then landing on their doorstep for nothing

Now that it's known that other teams are involved, they are going to have to ask themselves if they really want a 6'4 power centre who can score AND who just happens to be francophone and can be the face of the franchise. If so, they may have to ammend the offer.

 

[gojetsgo]

Compher and Newhook

compher is a ufa

 

[Daximus]

this I'd agree with but for the other 25 he is for sure a rental which means horvat at best

Oh absolutely. If nothing can get done with the teams he is willing to go to then its rental prices at best. Our main hope is that at least 2 of the other 6 are interested in him. I'm pretty hopeful that they are. Not to often a player like Dubois hits the market and is willing to sign long term.

 

[heilongjetsfan]

Free could be in a year but for now any suitors are valuing the trade based on their sense of risk.

You think he's gonna get Monahan'd over? Cos it sure sounds like Brisson is tryna get a sign and trade like Tkachuk, so I bet he's under contract for at least 4 more years by next summer.

 

[Heldig]

I think my offer would be as follow:

Florida’s first round pick, Beck & Jesse Ylonen for PLD and I would offer Dubois the same contract that Caufield got; 7.85M x 8 years.

Thats nice. A little twist from the 1000 time repeated Florida 1st (31st OA), Beck and Dvorak.

Jets say no. Again.