LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[Baksfamous112]

Summary of what we know so far:

- It’s going to be a sign-and-trade done before July 1st
- PLD isn’t going to sign a new contract with Winnipeg regardless.
- PLD wants 9M/year over 8 years
- He’s getting ready to hand over a list of 5-6 teams where he would be open to sign.
- He would sign for less depending on where the team is at and if they’re a contender
- Montreal is the only team we know so far that is on that list
- Winnipeg doesn’t want a full-on future package.

 

[Huffer]

Because Dach is a real game breaker.

If I'm the Habs GM, I'm likely not very interested in putting Dach on the table. He's not better than PLD, but there is significant value in his current contract for the next 3 seasons.

 

[Adam da bomb]

If I'm the Habs GM, I'm likely not very interested in putting Dach on the table. He's not better than PLD, but there is significant value in his current contract for the next 3 seasons.

What I think you mean is even though he’s not as good as PLD his contract has value.

 

[Huffer]

What I think you mean is even though he’s not as good as PLD his contract has value.

Isn't that what I said?

 

[Colezuki]

Summary of what we know so far:

- It’s going to be a sign-and-trade done before July 1st
- PLD isn’t going to sign a new contract with Winnipeg regardless.
- PLD wants 9M/year over 8 years
- He’s getting ready to hand over a list of 5-6 teams where he would be open to sign.
- He would sign for less depending on where the team is at and if they’re a contender
- Montreal is the only team we know so far that is on that list

- Winnipeg doesn’t want a full-on future package.
- They would like a PMD in the deal. Rumored ask from Montreal include Florida’s first and « A PMD like Harris »

Where did that last point come from? Also jets fans seem pretty convinced they don’t need D

 

[Habs Halifax]

If I'm the Habs GM, I'm likely not very interested in putting Dach on the table. He's not better than PLD, but there is significant value in his current contract for the next 3 seasons.

I very much doubt any team offers a young Dach type. We have to remember that Dubois's value is one RFA year and his trade value is not that much different than the Horvat trade.

Maybe it's more realistic to consider that the NHL piece is someone like Beauvillier, A close to NHL ready prospect (Raty), and a mid to late 1st.

I think Jets fans will be very disappointed if they think they are getting a Dach quality from anybody trying to trade for Dubois.

 

[Colezuki]

Isn't that what I said?

Yes lol

 

[Heldig]

Sounds like you're flying high on hope. Best wishes partner.

Like every team that is selling, no?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Where did that last point come from? Also jets fans seem pretty convinced they don’t need D

My max offer knowing what I know today...

* Beck. Habs hate to trade him but our center depth after trading him in the Dubois package is Suzuki, Dubois, Dach, and possibly W Smith if we draft him.

* Panthers 1st. Previoulsy this was off the table if Beck was included but it's now a late 1st so things have change.

* Dvorak (NHL contract and center depth the Jets can use). Especially if they trade both Dubois and Scheifele.

Other possible NHL contracts from the Habs are:
* Allen
* Armia
* Hoffman
* Eddy

Does anybody see a team trading for Dubois not sending a NHL contract back? I don't.

 

[Bladerunner62]

Why is Dubois getting 2 better prospects than the Nucks did with Horvat?

Your going to die on this hill, aren't you!

 

[Frank Drebin]

What I think you mean is even though he’s not as good as PLD his contract has value.

His contract and his potential have a lot of value.

We saw him jump from a .38ppg pace (31/82) over 3 years with the Hawks to a .65ppg pace (54/82) last year.

While he may not end up ever being as good as pld, the possibility is certainly there.

For me, he's a non starter.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Where did that last point come from? Also jets fans seem pretty convinced they don’t need D

Took it out as the « source » I found was a straight up lie that linked to a 32 podcast episode which never mentioned it after all.

His contract and his potential have a lot of value.

We saw him jump from a .38ppg pace (31/82) over 3 years with the Hawks to a .65ppg pace (54/82) last year.

While he may not end up ever being as good as pld, the possibility is certainly there.

For me, he's a non starter.

That and the fact that he played his 21 years old season and still a tons of room to grow

 

[nhlfan9191]

What I think you mean is even though he’s not as good as PLD his contract has value.

Dach could be as good or better then Dubois in a couple of years which is why he’s not available. Montreal is trying to add to their young core during a rebuild, not move sideways for much more expensive players.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Like every team that is selling, no?

Yeah, they're usually not obnoxious enough to tell fans of other teams to leave the thread if they don't bend to your will though.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Isn't that what I said?

You said might not be better than PLD.

 

[MardyBum]

Where did that last point come from? Also jets fans seem pretty convinced they don’t need D

They could use a younger RD, like Barron, not sure how they'd feel about Mailloux. Their best RD prospect doesn't turn 19 until the end of August.

Zero need for a LD though.

 

[MXD]

PLD is a year out from UFA at age 26. He has to play to accrue that 7th year to hit UFA status in 2024. Otherwise, he delays his UFA until 2025 until he turns 27. 4 years of accrued seasons and turn 27 by July 1 or 7 accrued seasons are the conditions for UFA.

So, at worst, he signs his QO just before the deadline to sign it.

If PLD isn't traded (which appears to be unlikely, and the reason why this even appears to be a probability could be down to his salary demands), he's almost certainly getting elected to arbitration.

 

[Heldig]

Is he? What has raty done other then be in the AHL that suggests he’s something special?

A publication you may have heard of - THE HOCKEY NEWS - rated Raty as the 35th best prospect in hockey. That is not a B level guy.

In comparison, Ferrell nor Mailloux made the top 100.

I take the rating of THN way before the word of some fan on this board.

 

[heilongjetsfan]

Unless Winnipeg has a blank check from Thompson (doubtful) to sustain any operating losses indefinitely, they are probably pretty screwed as a franchise. Tiny arena, no corporate sponsorship, little in the way of a local media market, team is gonna fall off hard but ownership is too scared to rebuild or ticket sales might completely disappear.

Once the Coyotes are moved, if a second city emerges as a good destination, it’ll be a test of will for the Winnipeg ownership to resist a sale that moves the team. There are serious questions as to whether Winnipeg is a viable major pro sports market on a long term basis.

People had similar qualms about hockey in both Miami and Raleigh not very long ago. True North tried to buy the Penguins a few years before the Thrashers according to local papers. When will the Coyotes move? TNSE tried to buy them too.

You're thinking about the income but it seems you might not be considering the equity. Look at the the numbers being thrown around in the Senators sale: an NHL franchise is a billion dollar asset. The appreciation far exceeds any operating losses especially if they're not occurring on a continuous basis. Given a purchase price of $110m (plus $60m relocation fee,) seems like they're up somewhere in the neighborhood of $8-900m in the last 12 years not including any profits they made during that time. Even if they annually lose $5-10m operating their passion project, if it's gaining $60-70m each year in resale value, it seems pretty easy to rationalize to me.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Dach could be as good or better than Dubois in a couple of years which is why he’s not available. Montreal is trying to add to their young core during a rebuild, not move sideways for much more expensive players.

I just don’t see Dach being just as good. He could be, and Perfetti could be a generational player, but, I just don’t see it.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Your going to die on this hill, aren't you!

Why is the Horvat trade not a good comparable? Are you really going to die on a hill thinking it's not and Dubois returns much more?

Name us a past trade where you can justify your higher value? A trade where it was a player with one RFA year left.

 

[Heldig]

Yeah, they're usually not obnoxious enough to tell fans of other teams to leave the thread if they don't bend to your will though.

Well, there have been some pretty obnoxious posts.

 

[nhlfan9191]

I just don’t see Dach being just as good. He could be, and Perfetti could be a generational player, but, I just don’t see it.

It really couldn’t matter less if you see it or not. Dach becoming a 60 point player in his prime isn’t some ludicrous statement like you mentioning Perfetti and generational under the same breath.

 

[Mersss]

Your going to die on this hill, aren't you!

It's just logical buddy.

Market is set for 60pts C. 1st + B prospect + Dump

Jets fan need to wake up and realize it. When you are dealing from a position of weakness you are not winning the deal

 

[gojetsgo]

Why is the Horvat trade not a good comparable? Are you really going to die on a hill thinking it's not and Dubois returns much more?

Name us a past trade where you can justify your higher value? A trade where it was a player with one RFA year left.

horvat had 20 games left of control, pld will be getting traded with an 8 year contract