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LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

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Hunter368 said:
Honestly I don't think the Habs now have the pieces to get PLD, let me explain before Habs fans freak out.

Habs aren't likely trading any of their kids on the current Habs roster, Dach, Guhle, etc IMO

Jets don't want a bunch of futures according to reports, so the Habs prospects can't be the big part of any return. As per reports

Habs don't have any vet roster players of any significant value, TBH most are negative or very minor value and I doubt many Habs fans would disagree with that comment. Dvorak borderline low to zero value, Anderson bad contract and low production makes him a contract risk long term and thats not good for a 3rd liner (not to mention his trade clause). Rest of the vets are just plain bad so can't be included in any trade. Evans is closing into UFA range shortly and has had significant injury problems and is 3rd or 4th liner which just don't hold much value in the NHL.

IMO the Habs can't make a competitive offer at this stage either bc they won't trade their good pieces (understandable) and the rest of their roster is bad and the Jets don't want a heavy futures return.
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A level headed take, but it depends on the teams he’d be willing to sign with.

Example, if your looking to make a hockey trade it would likely be to upgrade there 2c. So they’d need to decide if the swap + cap space + other pieces needed would be worth while. I do think the jets position is stronger, but I wouldn’t give up a cost controlled Center for him like dach. I would give DVO( I don’t want to has out is dvo worth it it’s just the example) to partially replace which is what your getting from everyone, someone like kidney or beck or hell both and a 1st. Or Justin Barron potentially and a 2nd. Beyond that we’re rebuilding so stripping out pieces that would be as good as Dubois is lateral and not needed.
 
HuGo Sham said:
If it's Montréal, I think Jets will get some nice pieces. I fully expect Habs might have to give up Dach. If it isn't Dach, it's going to be a very good prospect like Beck - who might be able to step in and play C for jets next year.
Wondering if Habs would even consider moving Roy.
The Fla pick is obviously in play, but I don't think habs will give both Dach and a 1st.
If Cheveldayoff is looking for pieces on roster outside of Dach, maybe Anderson will waive.
I know Jets fans dislike Dvorak, but he's a cost-controlled 3C.
Jake Evans would also be in play.
I wouldn't discount RHP being made available. He was great in his half year
but there just isn't place for him on the wing.
On D, they might include a Barron, Harris, Trudeau.
habs have a deep prospect pool and there isn't place for all these guys.
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Which is great that Dvorak is a great cost controlled 3c except we have Lowry. So, I’d imagine they’d prefer a prospect who might end up worse but has potential to be better than Dvorak.
 
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ucanthanzalthetruth said:
Anyone else think this guy is a bum? Will never forget how he quit on CBJ with "the shift" and now won't sign a 1 year deal to demand a trade? Seems too entitled for a 60 point player.
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No. He’s a really good hockey player who most fans don’t ever see play. Strong on his skates, creates space in traffic, and has vision. Just entering his prime and he’s a C.

People are going to be surprised what he gets in return.
 
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He likely doesn’t return as much as Jets like and I’m fully prepared to be disappointed,but, the idea Mtl has the Jets over a barrel and that they should just accept a 2nd is false.
 
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I think it will be to the Habs for Dach.

We won’t like the trade but it will come with an extension and ultimately both players will have a similar career IMO.

Apples for apples 🍎
 
Colezuki said:
A level headed take, but it depends on the teams he’d be willing to sign with.

Example, if your looking to make a hockey trade it would likely be to upgrade there 2c. So they’d need to decide if the swap + cap space + other pieces needed would be worth while. I do think the jets position is stronger, but I wouldn’t give up a cost controlled Center for him like dach. I would give DVO( I don’t want to has out is dvo worth it it’s just the example) to partially replace which is what your getting from everyone, someone like kidney or beck or hell both and a 1st. Or Justin Barron potentially and a 2nd. Beyond that we’re rebuilding so stripping out pieces that would be as good as Dubois is lateral and not needed.
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We don't know the teams interested in him, but no doubt Chevy knows well who is interested and likely has already had some discussions with them. Chevy has told them what he's generally looking for, aka win now pieces and there is still 5-6 teams interested so likely the potential returns from the teams will vary a hair in value, but more so in what needs (& contract status) they can fill on the Jets.

I've said a million times, Habs aren't trading Dach, 5th OA, Guhle, Suzuki, CC.......moot subject. Having said that, the Jets want win now pieces so what actually do the Habs have that fit that description and fill a potential need on the Jets:

Dvorak - He is overpaid 3rd liner, TBH he would be battling it out with Lowry (who is paid more then 1 million less then Dvorak) to see who is the 4C vs 3C and I'm not sure Dvorak would win that battle or the loser might play 3rd line wing. Dvorak's defensive numbers are not pretty, his play seems to fallen off to some degree which is concerning on a Habs especially offensively on a team who doesn't play much in the way of any defense (close to last in multi defensive stats in the league). Habs would of sold him off leading up to the TDL if they could of.......I suspect his value is very low around the NHL.

Anderson - Useful 3rd liner who can do multi things but nothing well/great. But the issue with him is he is also overpaid and even worse his term is brutal......even Habs fans don't like his term. He is a contract problem waiting to happen in the next 1-3 years. Major concern IMO

Rest of the vets are just plain bad, Habs fans will agree with this, not hating on anyone. Habs intentionally sold off all their vets they could who had any value to tank hard.

Who else can the Habs offer that could be called "win now" pieces?

Harris? Zero need for him, plus he is still green as green.

Barron? Green rookie, unclear what his potential could be, by not so sure he's ready for any top 4 role on a competitive team.

Beck? Still a prospect, can't call him a win now piece, sure he might be thrown in as a futures piece but still really no win now pieces.

I just can't see how the Habs can make any competitive offer with their roster of vets when the Jets want win now pieces. If the Jets wanted a pure futures return, sure Habs could put together multi prospects/picks to make a good offer........but the Jets don't want futures. Not saying PLD will return a kings ransom but things have gotten better as far as what he will return in the last 24 hours. But still can't see the Habs being competitive with other teams offers who can actually offer some good vets.
 
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gojetsgo said:
did I say anything about dach? I said the poster was in denial because he said we were going to get a late 1st b prospect and a cap dump like the horvat deal ignoring the fact that pld is willing to extend with 5-6 teams
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Apologies, you had replied to a post that mentioned Dach with the implication the poster was in denial, so you can see how I inferred that.

I that's likely the approximate value he'll get, though maybe a useful body rather than a cap dump, and a B+ prospect rather than a B prospect. Not sure a ton of teams are both capable of giving up very good futures for this player and doing a sign-and-trade.

There's also the threat of an offer-sheet if they don't complete a trade by July 1. Jets could match, but then they can't trade him the whole year.

But we'll see how it goes.

Richiebottles said:
I think it will be to the Habs for Dach.

We won’t like the trade but it will come with an extension and ultimately both players will have a similar career IMO.

Apples for apples 🍎
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I really don't see what incentive the Habs have to trade a 6'4" developing center that took a huge step last season. They'd be crazy to trade a cost-controlled asset of that nature for one that's about to cost them 8 million minimum and might not even be better than Dach in the long run.

Trading Dach or Mailloux could put you into Sergachev for Drouin territory longterm.
 
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Twisted Sinister said:
Apologies, you had replied to a post that mentioned Dach with the implication the poster was in denial, so you can see how I inferred that.

I that's likely the approximate value he'll get, though maybe a useful body rather than a cap dump, and a B+ prospect rather than a B prospect. Not sure a ton of teams are both capable of giving up very good futures for this player and doing a sign-and-trade.

There's also the threat of an offer-sheet if they don't complete a trade by July 1. Jets could match, but then they can't trade him the whole year.

But we'll see how it goes.



I really don't see what incentive the Habs have to trade a 6'4" developing center that took a huge step last season. They'd be crazy to trade a cost-controlled asset of that nature for one that's about to cost them 8 million minimum and might not even be better than Dach in the long run.
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there is no threat of an offer sheet, jets will trade him before that and him willing to extend long term with 5-6 also shows that he also doesn't want to go that route and the jets don't really want futures as well
 
gojetsgo said:
there is no threat of an offer sheet, jets will trade him before that and him willing to extend long term with 5-6 also shows that he also doesn't want to go that route
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Again we'll see what happens. I think it'll be to the Habs and for less value than you might think. We'll talk again when he's traded.
 
Posted on Sunday by Guffman:

I have a feeling that if Dubois is traded to Montreal, we are getting Dach. :cool:

Friedman: - Jets are not rebuilding, want NHL players back if they trade core pieces

Is there a better way to get maximum dollar on a player’s UFA contract than to float he’s not interested in one team? Then, when he’s a UFA (or looking for his next contract with his current club) his agent can ask for a big number and likely get it. Look at how much Bo horvat just got because...
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I dunno guys. Hearing some posters now tossing up Dach’s name. :D
 
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I'd be very surprised if there's a trade and sign with any other team than the Habs.

We know from insiders that Dubois dreams about playing in Montreal. We know that the Habs management is interested because Dubois fits in their long term plan.

So the Jets will necessarily get a better return through a trade-and-sign with Montreal, than through a one year rental with another team.

Mario Langlois is a well connected sport journalist that I trust in Montreal, and he's been very consistent since one year in saying that according to his sources, Dubois in Montreal is gonna happen, that it's just a matter of time.

We'll know soon I guess.
 
Guffman said:
Posted on Sunday by Guffman:

I have a feeling that if Dubois is traded to Montreal, we are getting Dach. :cool:

Friedman: - Jets are not rebuilding, want NHL players back if they trade core pieces

Is there a better way to get maximum dollar on a player’s UFA contract than to float he’s not interested in one team? Then, when he’s a UFA (or looking for his next contract with his current club) his agent can ask for a big number and likely get it. Look at how much Bo horvat just got because...
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I dunno guys. Hearing some posters now tossing up Dach’s name. :D
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I've liked all of Kent Hughes' moves so far. Or at least understood them at the time.

Trading Dach for Dubois would be a short-sighted, foolish move. I don't see it happening. I think the Habs walk if it comes to that.
 
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gojetsgo said:
the copium is at an all time high, it's really funny seeing you try so hard to make it seem like it would be impossible for teams to make the salary work when 2 players that got traded in eichel/tkachuk had a higher salary then what pld is going to get in the same flat cap world
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Sure but Eichel (.936 ppg) and Tkachuk (.962 ppg) are significantly better players than PLD (.695 ppg). It’s easier for a team to accommodate a massive contract when he’s going to be their best player than when he’s going to be 3rd or 4th best.
 
Reddwit said:
Sure but Eichel (.936 ppg) and Tkachuk (.962 ppg) are significantly better players than PLD (.695 ppg). It’s easier for a team to accommodate a massive contract when he’s going to be their best player than when he’s going to be 3rd or 4th best.
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Debatable that Suzuki or Caufield are better.

Who would be the 3rd?
 
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