JadedRandom
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You’ve been chiming in a lot so I find it odd that you don’t know even know the career high statistics of the players you’re talking about. I think there’s a lot of that going on in this thread when it comes to talking about players who people have no education on and for whatever reason, you’re a “Montreal fan” gets brought up as an argument point to belittle a fanbases opinion. And I agree there’s a lot of bad sales pitches. That’s because Montreal and Winnipeg don’t make good trade partners but the team with their back against a wall with a player forcing his way out has brought Montreal into the picture with his comments. Habs fans aren’t in a hurry to start giving away assets acquired the past two years to rush and get somebody like PLD.
Yes, exactly.
Montreal wants to get better as a team (who doesn't?), but most of that will need to come internally.
A Dubois trade would make the team obviously better in the short-term and would be sensible IF the combination of players/prospects/picks that need to be sent to reach Winnipeg's ask make sense both short-term AND long-term for the overall competitiveness of the team.
And as you've said, though circumstances (Dubois and his agent actually) seem to push for a Montreal-Dubois reunion, I don't think there is such an obvious "fit" for a trade between Winnipeg and Montreal given the situation and conflicting wants of both teams.
Montreal wants to hold on to talented young players in the hopes that they "make it" in the NHL and become integral parts of the team in the relatively short term, which means they would rather trade veterans and/or picks instead of their top prospects, probably in a quantity-for-quality type of deal which doesn't fit Winnipeg's needs at all.
Montreal, as presently constituted, is also weakest at RHD, and second-weakest at Center although Suzuki/Dach/Dvorak/Evans + guys like Beck, maybe Mesar, Kapanen, and Kidney (+ many picks this year) are not bad depth-wise and in the prospect pool.
But the team will probably look to bolster that position whether with picks at the draft or UFA (Monahan?) and so most likely will not want to trade the most valuable young pieces from that depth chart if the deal is for a guy like Dubois (hence why Suzuki and Dach would most likely be non-starters).
Whereas Winnipeg has almost exactly the same needs as Montreal and would most likely want young-ish pieces at center or RHD that are already somewhat established and trending very well, + picks and other pieces to match the value in a potential Dubois trade.
For a young-ish clear #1 center with close to PPG production Montreal would trade Dach+#5+other assets in a package, but Dubois, although really good, is not at that level.
So yeah, interests align, but no bueno on the trade fit.
In fact, I think LA might, and should given where they are in the midst of their rebuild, offer better value than our front office would feel is the best we could realistically do in a trade package for Dubois. And that could tilt things in their favor, if Dubois agrees to sign there of course, but it looks like he would be agreeable to it if reports are true.
In the grand scheme of things, if Montreal wants to be a good team in the future, then we will need to see continued growth for guys like Caufield, Dach (both only 22, and yet to reach their ceiling IMO) and Nick Suzuki (started to become better at dealing with tougher assignments last year).
In addition, some of their forward prospects will also need to show improvements and establish themselves as more than just depth pieces (like Slafkovsky, 2023 #5 overall pick most likely, Farrell, Roy, Heineman, Beck, Kidney, Mesar, etc.).
But the sheer number of pieces that the Canadiens have that show promise could mean they hit on a couple and end up in a much better spot talent and depth-wise in two years or so than they are now.
And we should also see some improvements from the FIVE rookie defensemen Montreal iced at some points of the season in 2022-2023 that could help elevate the quality of play of the team as soon as next season, but most likely for 2024-2025 as defensemen generally need more time to develop. And with more high-end defensive prospects, like Hutson, Mailloux, and Engstrom that are highly-regarded and should arrive within the next two-three years, Montreal's future is looking quite bright on the defense.
The goaltending position is suspect at best with guys like Montembeault, Allen, Primeau and Dobes, but there are many goalies available each year and if they're lucky and hit on one, they could rapidly be set for years.
All of that to say that Montreal's path to being relevant again has nothing to do with any trades for Dubois, but rather internal development, smart decisions with the cap, and not leading the NHL for man-games lost like we did the last two seasons (even if you factor-out Price and Byron as season-long LTIR, we were still tops last year).