LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[Frank Drebin]

Doubt they can move up to the top 3. Are the Sharks going to take Smith? Guess it depends on them. Maybe they take Michkov and make it easier on the Habs.

I have a hunch michkov falls out of the top 5

 

[deaderhead28]

If you had caufield and guhle instead of pld? I mean Winnipeg is weird in that the sum of the team is always less than the total of the parts so getting better on paper could possibly make them worse.


I think the jets are better off taking that byfield/Clarke/1st package from la

Clarke isn't being dealt for anyone on the Jets.

 

[Buffdog]

Let me guess, the Kings are easily going to offer pieces like Clarke, Byfield, and Vilardi?

Do you know what the problem is? Thinking Dubois with his 1 RFA year left will return more than what Horvat and Trouba returned. Sign/trade increases his value by 5x or 10x right? NOPE. It might increase it by 1.5 but it's mostly circumstantial.

Kings won't be trading Clarke or Byfield any more than the Habs trading Dach or Guhle. This is not a Habs problem. It's a Jets problem. Some Jets fans think they can ridicule Habs fans but then they come along and think Dubois is going to return a sure shot grade A prospect and a 1st. . Seems to me that the Jets fan base has gullible fans just like the Habs do.

How many times has it been explained to you that PLD is coming with an 8 year extension?

I think I've personally done it at least 4

Why do you continue to ignore that fact? Are you trolling?

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Habs should offer Caufield. Only hit 43 points in a season. Cap hits would be about the same as PLD new contract. Caufield is small & will probably miss considerable time with injures. Makes the team much better.

Then turn around & get a deal on someone like DeBrincat to fill the hole.

Fishing level : 1

 

[Buffdog]

I think Barron + Beck/Kidney + Florida 1st is fair for Dubois some fans might want more but Winnipeg will never get full value for someone who asked out every team hes been part off

I'm good with that for a PLD return

 

[Habs Halifax]

How many times has it been explained to you that PLD is coming with an 8 year extension?

I think I've personally done it at least 4

Why do you continue to ignore that fact? Are you trolling?

You're not comprehending what I said very well. Where did I say he would not have an 8 year extension? What I said is sign/trade don't increase his value 5x or 10x. Maybe 1.5x at best. How many times does this have to be explained to you? His value is one RFA year and some teams would offer a bit more than a full year rental if they get the extension. It's not hard to comprehend.

I think you need to re read. If you think you are getting full 8 year contract value, I think you are going to be very disappointed.

 

[Hunter368]

And if Dubois comes to the Habs how dumb will he look?

Did you read my multi posts on that subject or just the one?

I stated he was dumb and bad reporting to apply that high of % so many weeks out from it ever happening when he knows so many things could happen between then and when he's traded, it was reckless reporting. Could it still happen yes, but that doesn't change the fact it was reckless reporting back so many weeks ago to say that. Even his peers mocked his comments publicly and thats embarrassing.

 

[ole ole]

LA does not have better pieces. Most of the players they would offer have flaws. Turcotte (glass body) for example. Habs likely won't move the players they have that would be better acquisitions though.

I suggest that you ask the Jet fans which package is better received.
They decide which package is more valuable to them.
I'm proposed multiple times and in this thread,
What beats
FLA 1st in 2023 Barron isn't a prospect.
any prospect not named Hutson ,Mailloux
Dvorak or Hoffman.
Hell i'd even offer another prospect of their choosing.
For a signed 8 yr 8mil at the most Dubois.
Is LA'S offer more appealing than by all means take it.
Would like to see what Jet fans would agree to over my Habs offer?

 

[Buffdog]

You're not comprehending what I said very well. Where did I say he would not have an 8 year extension? What I said is sign/trade don't increase his value 5x or 10x. Maybe 1.5x at best. How many times does this have to be explained to you?

I think you need to re read. Totally not comprehending it well.

His value is one RFA year and some teams would offer a bit more than a full year rental if they get the extension. It's not hard to comprehend.

Um, no

You make an arbitrary statement and then use a random multiplier made-up in your brain to try to justify his value

Believe it or not, some teams will like the idea of acquiring a 25 year old 6'4 220lb power centre who scores and plays with grit and whose new contract is timed perfectly through his prime years enough to pay decent assets. Those opportunities never come along. I challenge you to name a situation that's exactly like this that has happened in the past. I'll wait

 

[HuGo Sham]

the funny thing about the Dubois situation is that yes, he's a Montrealer and spends his offseason here, he's also accessible to watch in that 3 on 3 pro summer league here.
But none of us can remember ever seeing him out and about so much on social media. He was at suburban event for a haitian fundraiser four days ago, then he's at the Grand prix partying then on a boat near the track with caufield, hughes and Zegras, then they're having martinis downtown on Subban's twitter account. lol.
it's just funny and strange.
Brisson knows what he's doing

 

[HabsAddict]

So much drama about LA....

Do we know if LA is one of his "preffered" destinations?

For all we know, it may be Chicago, NJ, Islanders and Arizona

It's not like his agent wouldn't know who is in OR not in the hunt and work against it.

 

[Buffdog]

I suggest that you ask the Jet fans which package is better received.
They decide which package is more valuable to them.
I'm proposed multiple times and in this thread,
What beats
FLA 1st in 2023 Barron isn't a prospect.
any prospect not named Hutson ,Mailloux
Dvorak or Hoffman.
Hell i'd even offer another prospect of their choosing.
For a signed 8 yr 8mil at the most Dubois.
Is LA'S offer more appealing than by all means take it.
Would like to see what Jet fans would agree to over my Habs offer?

I think all LA would have to do is offer Vilardi or Byfield, Spence , cap and one other piece to beat your offer.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I think Barron + Beck/Kidney + Florida 1st is fair for Dubois some fans might want more but Winnipeg will never get full value for someone who asked out every team hes been part off

I don't think most Jets fans want more than that. You're including more than what most Habs fans would offer. It's OK, you can play nice with them to avoid confrontation but I seriously doubt it will be all of Barron, Beck, Panthers 1st. Beck and Kidney are not on the same level bud. Beck is B+ with physical size and Kidney is B prospect who is undersized. Jets are not dumb.

 

[Chose]

Um, no

You make an arbitrary statement and then use a random multiplier made-up in your brain to try to justify his value

Believe it or not, some teams will like the idea of acquiring a 25 year old 6'4 220lb power centre who scores and plays with grit and whose new contract is timed perfectly through his prime years enough to pay decent assets. Those opportunities never come along. I challenge you to name a situation that's exactly like this that has happened in the past. I'll wait

Severson traded to Blue Jackets after signing 8-year contract with Devils | NHL.com

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Recent sign & trade, do you think Severson is worth a 3rd ?
Context maked the deal worth only a 3rd pick because he was going to be UFA. Even with a sign & trade occuring... Is this Severson's full value you think ?

Context in Dubois' case is that there is only 1y left of team control, and a new contract is forced now. His value will be around Trouba & Horvat transactions...

 

[Hunter368]

I suggest that you ask the Jet fans which package is better received.
They decide which package is more valuable to them.
I'm proposed multiple times and in this thread,
What beats
FLA 1st in 2023 Barron isn't a prospect.
any prospect not named Hutson ,Mailloux
Dvorak or Hoffman.
Hell i'd even offer another prospect of their choosing.
For a signed 8 yr 8mil at the most Dubois.
Is LA'S offer more appealing than by all means take it.
Would like to see what Jet fans would agree to over my Habs offer?

Just to be clear your saying:

Dvorak, FLA 1st, any two prospects (not Hutson/Mailloux)

I can't tell from your wording if your including Barron or not in that offer, are you including him or no?

 

[MardyBum]

I think all LA would have to do is offer Vilardi or Byfield, Spence , cap and one other piece to beat your offer.

Yeah, Vilardi or Byfield themselves have more value than 31OA and a prospect, ignoring the cap they'd like to move out are better players.

 

[ole ole]

Did you read my multi posts on that subject or just the one?

I stated he was dumb and bad reporting to apply that high of % so many weeks out from it ever happening when he knows so many things could happen between then and when he's traded, it was reckless reporting. Could it still happen yes, but that doesn't change the fact it was reckless reporting back so many weeks ago to say that. Even his peers mocked his comments publicly and thats embarrassing.

Many here have turned and already said he is trouble.

So have many Hab fans. I assume there is a big risk involved for the Habs also.
Dubois come with baggage also.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Clarke isn't being dealt for anyone on the Jets.

Either is caufield. We've progressed to habs and kings fans trolling each other over trade returns

 

[Habs Halifax]

Um, no

You make an arbitrary statement and then use a random multiplier made-up in your brain to try to justify his value

Believe it or not, some teams will like the idea of acquiring a 25 year old 6'4 220lb power centre who scores and plays with grit and whose new contract is timed perfectly through his prime years enough to pay decent assets. Those opportunities never come along. I challenge you to name a situation that's exactly like this that has happened in the past. I'll wait

Those teams need to be in his 5 or 6 team list. Circumstance matters. You would think that other fans would be here posting their offers in a bidding war if your narrative was accurate. Where is it?

I stand firm. Sign/trades increases value slightly but you are going overboard with it. His value is one full RFA season and slightly more. Certainly not 8 years of value like you were spitting out.

The return will be something around the Trouba and Horvat trades. Pretty sure the Rangers and Islanders knew what those extensions would look like prior to the trade.

 

[Chose]

Brisson knows what he's doing

That's very funny to see

 

[ole ole]

Just to be clear your saying:

Dvorak, FLA 1st, any two prospects (not Hutson/Mailloux)

I can't tell from your wording if your including Barron or not in that offer, are you including him or no?

Barron is not a prospect. He's in our lineup. He's not included, neither is Slaf included.
So it's
Dvorak, FLA 1st, any two prospects (not Hutson/Mailloux)
If you prefer Hofman over Dvorak ....fine.
You probably could take us into Harris and any prospect but you have to convince us, But that is only if you even like or want him .

 

[Golden_Jet]

Just to be clear your saying:

Dvorak, FLA 1st, any two prospects (not Hutson/Mailloux)

I can't tell from your wording if your including Barron or not in that offer, are you including him or no?

It was confusing, as poster made it sound like they had Hoffman and Dvorak lumped in with Hutson and Mailloux.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

the funny thing about the Dubois situation is that yes, he's a Montrealer and spends his offseason here, he's also accessible to watch in that 3 on 3 pro summer league here.
But none of us can remember ever seeing him out and about so much on social media. He was at suburban event for a haitian fundraiser two days ago, then he's at the Grand prix partying then on a boat near the track with caufield, hughes and Zegras, then they're having martinis downtown on Subban's twitter account. lol.
it's just funny and strange.
Brisson knows what he's doing

Brisson knows so does Hugues , scamming Edmonton with 9.5m for Nurse

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Brisson knows so does Hugues , scamming Edmonton with 9.5m for Nurse

Wow calm down, bro.

It's only 9.25m of futility.

 

[Chose]

You would think that other fans would be here posting their offers in a bidding war if your narrative was accurate. Where is it?

It is funny to have a read in the other thread about PLD and Helle to LA, that most fans there are not really welcoming the idea of PLD, particularly when it involves their big young promising players like Byfield, Clarke(!) and even Vilardi to an extent...