LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[ole ole]

I don't think most Jets fans want more than that. You're including more than what most Habs fans would offer. It's OK, you can play nice with them to avoid confrontation but I seriously doubt it will be all of Barron, Beck, Panthers 1st. Beck and Kidney are not on the same level bud. Beck is B+ with physical size and Kidney is B prospect who is undersized. Jets are not dumb.

I would easily take the chance and trade Panthers 1st Beck and add but Barron isn't moving.

 

[Michoulicious]

It is funny to have a read in the other thread about PLD and Helle to LA, that most fans there are not really welcoming the idea of PLD, particularly when it involves their big young promising young players like Byfield, Clarke(!) and even Vilardi to an extent...

Don't think LA will trade Byfield, Clarke or Vilardi for PLD. Could be wrong though.

 

[Buffdog]

Severson traded to Blue Jackets after signing 8-year contract with Devils | NHL.com

Defenseman was longest-tenured player on New Jersey, which receives 3rd-round pick in 2023 Draft

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Recent sign & trade, do you think Severson is worth a 3rd ?
Context maked the deal worth only a 3rd pick because he was going to be UFA. Even with a sign & trade occuring... Is this Severson's full value you think ?

Context in Dubois' case is that there is only 1y left of team control, and a new contract is forced now. His value will be around Trouba & Horvat transactions...

Yeah you're right. A 29 year old second pairing UFA defenseman is EXACTLY like PLD

Trouba was only willing to extend with one team and Horvat (as reported by LeBrun in the Athletic, quoting Lou) had no extension talks

So again, three extremely different situations than PLD

Nice try tho

 

[gojetsgo]

Those teams need to be in his 5 or 6 team list. Circumstance matters. You would think that other fans would be here posting their offers in a bidding war if your narrative was accurate. Where is it?

I stand firm. Sign/trades increases value slightly but you are going overboard with it. His value is one full RFA season and slightly more. Certainly not 8 years of value like you were spitting out.

The return will be something around the Trouba and Horvat trades. Pretty sure the Rangers and Islanders knew what those extensions would look like prior to the trade.

lol... so because fans of other teams hasn't made offers it means that actual gm's have no interest? get real dude, I know you love to pretend you are gm of the habs making deals on these forums but hfboards isn't actually reality and none of the offers should be based on if other fans are making proposals lol

 

[ole ole]

It was confusing, as poster made it sound like they had Hoffman and Dvorak lumped in with Hutson and Mailloux.

Sorry as it wasn't meant to be.

 

[Buffdog]

Those teams need to be in his 5 or 6 team list. Circumstance matters. You would think that other fans would be here posting their offers in a bidding war if your narrative was accurate. Where is it?

I stand firm. Sign/trades increases value slightly but you are going overboard with it. His value is one full RFA season and slightly more. Certainly not 8 years of value like you were spitting out.

The return will be something around the Trouba and Horvat trades. Pretty sure the Rangers and Islanders knew what those extensions would look like prior to the trade.

His value is as an 8 year player, because that's what the team he's being traded to will be

 

[gojetsgo]

His value is as an 8 year player, because that's what the team he's being traded to will be

nope, his value is lower then that because fans of other teams haven't made offers

 

[Colezuki]

His value is as an 8 year player, because that's what the team he's being traded to will be

Whatever let’s you sleep at night

 

[Hunter368]

Barron is not a prospect. He's in our lineup. He's not included, neither is Slaf included.
So it's
Dvorak, FLA 1st, any two prospects (not Hutson/Mailloux)
If you prefer Hofman over Dvorak ....fine.
You probably could take us into Harris and any prospect but you have to convince us, But that is only if you even like or want him .

Could it happen? Maybe if Chevy ran out of other options, but I don't see LA not beating that offer TBH.

Dvorak/Hoffman are both not good, meaning they are bad. Even Habs fans say they are bad on your own forum.

FLA is 31st OA, so it lost huge value

Rest of Habs prospects are B level prospects

Reports are the Jets win now pieces, so have to assume the majority of the value will be win now pieces, Dvorak/Hoffman are both bad so really no value there. Rest of the offer is futures which the Jets aren't looking for and none of them are exactly exciting prospects to make a team change their mind on win now vs futures/magic beans. Just don't see that offer being the "one" to land PLD or beat out LA who have stated they will make this work.

 

[Chose]

His value is as an 8 year player, because that's what the team he's being traded to will be

You are missing the point. Serverson did sign an 8y contract, is he worth only a 3rd ?
He was signed for 8 years, wasn't he ?
Why didn't the Devils receive 8y value ?
Because of time left to UFA...
Dubois is 1y away, forcing a trade. His trade value will not be Dubois player value. It will be Dubois for 1y value...

 

[Buffdog]

Whatever let’s you sleep at night

The reason guys with 1 year term left don't have as high value is because of the uncertainty involved with what will happen after that year

PLD won't fall under that with his new contract

 

[MardyBum]

lol... so because fans of other teams hasn't made offers it means that actual gm's have no interest? get real dude, I know you love to pretend you are gm of the habs making deals on these forums but hfboards isn't actually reality and none of the offers should be based on if other fans are making proposals lol

It'd be funny if they were the only one.

But no, multiple Habs GMs gracing us with their presence, declaring what prospects are untouchable, what teams PLD actually wants to go to, what the Habs interest is, and none of them the bald guy actually in control.

 

[Boonk]

Context? You didn't list who you think you will get if Byfield, Clarke, and Vilardi are off the table. If you can't do that, you are just rambeling on.

What actual offer do you think you are getting from the Kings? Prove your theory or opinion with context?

I literally did just that, so maybe look at your notis and pay attention my guy. Make the effort and look back a page and it’s right there, all glory, for you to get mad at

You’ve been rambling for about 5-6 threads now for months on this topic just fyi. Just to get ratio’ed constantly. Lol.

 

[Buffdog]

You are missing the point. Serverson did sign an 8y contract, is he worth only a 3rd ?
He was signed for 8 years, wasn't he ?
Why didn't the Devils receive 8y value ?
Because of time left to UFA...
Dubois is 1y away, forcing a trade. His trade value will not be Dubois player value. It will be Dubois for 1y value...

As a UFA that NJD werent going to re-sign, severson was essentially worth nothing. All they got was the permission to speak to him before July 1

 

[deaderhead28]

Don't think LA will trade Byfield, Clarke or Vilardi for PLD. Could be wrong though.

If it's only PLD I don't see Byfield or Clarke being traded. If Kings and Vilardi can't come to a reasonable contract, yes I could see him being traded in PLD trade. I would think if any of these players names were offered it would've leaked.

 

[tbcwpg]

Imagine how you would feel today if you took the Caufield, 1st, + offer we made for Laine back a few years ago? Remember when it was called spare parts? "Habs overrate our prospects"

I know you guys like Chevy but he deserves heat for taking that risks of trading Laine/Rost thinking Dubois will stay.

I hope that it is a Habs/Jets trade and whatever we give you, ends up turning into good assets. We will see how it plays out. I think Dubois does get traded before draft or on draft day.

Chevy's reputation is 50/50 at best amongst the fans right now.

You might have made that offer but there's no suggestion Montreal actually did. If that trade did happen, I'd feel great because we wouldn't be talking about Dubois to Montreal for a year plus.

If he gets traded by draft day, again, that will be the 3rd best day of my life because the Dubois drama will be over. I'd take Fulton Reed, Portman and a 7th right now for this to just be over.

 

[Colezuki]

The reason guys with 1 year term left don't have as high value is because of the uncertainty involved with what will happen after that year

PLD won't fall under that with his new contract

Like I said whatever let’s you sleep at night,

 

[Habs Halifax]

Chevy's reputation is 50/50 at best amongst the fans right now.

You might have made that offer but there's no suggestion Montreal actually did.

If he gets traded by draft day, again, that will be the 3rd best day of my life because the Dubois drama will be over. I'd take Fulton Reed, Portman and a 7th right now for this to just be over.

Well, the narrative or conversation you are jumping in on is "Habs fans overate our prospects" and that was said towards the Caufield, 1st, + offer for Laine back a few seasons ago. This is not about what was actually offered by real GM's. This is about fan to fan comments over the past few years. Yeah, we were wrong on some prospects but lets not pretend that we are the only team who has has fans be wrong or right on prospects. What keeps getting spit into our face is constant overvaluing of our prospects and it's just not accurate. We are getting tired of that just as much as your Dubois trade discussions frustrations

I do feel for the good Jets fans who are reasonable. I know you guys are out there in the mix of the ignorant and gullible ones. I'm sure it's going to be over by the draft. If not, what a mess.

 

[Baksfamous112]

I'm good with that for a PLD return

If they do that, I would prefer Kidney going instead of Beck and that would force Montreal to pick Reinbacher at 5 as well.

Wouldn’t be the end of the world but would set us back a 2 to 3 years on the right side of our D. Barron is already an NHLer and has a legit chance to become a solid #3 by the time he’s 23-24.

 

[Buffdog]

Like I said whatever let’s you sleep at night,

I sleep fine lol

And it's *lets

 

[Habs Halifax]

His value is as an 8 year player, because that's what the team he's being traded to will be

Sorry, I don't agree. There is past history on this and you are off the rails. This is a full RFA season with a little more value with the sign/trade.

Go try it with another team and see how far that gets you. Ask them if a sign/trade where he signs for 8 years increases his value as a 8 year contract. Good luck.

You're now not debating against Habs fans. You're going against the general norm and history is against you.

 

[ole ole]

Could it happen? Maybe if Chevy ran out of other options, but I don't see LA not beating that offer TBH.

Dvorak/Hoffman are both not good, meaning they are bad. Even Habs fans say they are bad on your own forum.

FLA is 31st OA, so it lost huge value

Rest of Habs prospects are B level prospects

Reports are the Jets win now pieces, so have to assume the majority of the value will be win now pieces, Dvorak/Hoffman are both bad so really no value there. Rest of the offer is futures which the Jets aren't looking for and none of them are exactly exciting prospects to make a team change their mind on win now vs futures/magic beans. Just don't see that offer being the "one" to land PLD or beat out LA who have stated they will make this work.

That's fine now tell us what it would take from LA ?
Would also like to see if LA is willing to move what your asking for?
I'm just curious. I like to see where all 3 teams stand.

 

[Baksfamous112]

It'd be funny if they were the only one.

But no, multiple Habs GMs gracing us with their presence, declaring what prospects are untouchable, what teams PLD actually wants to go to, what the Habs interest is, and none of them the bald guy actually in control.

To be fair its a Jets beat writer than said that Suzuki, Caufield and Dach were off-limits and that was confirmed by multiple Habs beat writer.

For what its worth, the same Jets writer also said Byfield isn’t going anywhere and he doesn’t expect Vilardi to move as well.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Brisson is just looking for some free clout and someone to pick up his bar tab, that's why he's walking around Montreal with Caufield and PLD.

I'm only like 25% joking.

If any thing these pics are probably pissing Hughes off. He's thinking about all the money he left on the table taking on the GM job. He sees Hughes, Zegras, Caufield, and PLD together and that's a whole lot of $$$$$$

 

[ole ole]

It'd be funny if they were the only one.

But no, multiple Habs GMs gracing us with their presence, declaring what prospects are untouchable, what teams PLD actually wants to go to, what the Habs interest is, and none of them the bald guy actually in control.

Ya but there are multiple Jets GMs also telling us what they will except. Good to know they are sitting in the front office while they are typing in here.