LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[Buffdog]

LA has better pieces to trade then the Habs theres no way they trade Clarke but maybe Byfield or Vilardi for Dubois with an extension

500 pages later,over a year of talking about it and Dubois aint coming home

Which is weird, because I must have heard "he only wants to be in MTL" and "we will get him for free in a year anyway" 1200 times

If I had to guess (complete specualtion), PLD's camp gave Hughes their 9M offer and he came back with the Suzuki offer and when PLD balked, Hughes politely told him they have no interest at him in the 8M+ range for all the reasons Habs fans have posted on here

 

[Ligue]

Which is weird, because I must have heard "he only wants to be in MTL" and "we will get him for free in a year anyway" 1200 times

If I had to guess (complete specualtion), PLD's camp gave Hughes their 9M offer and he came back with the Suzuki offer and when PLD balked, Hughes politely told him they have no interest at him in the 8M+ range for all the reasons Habs fans have posted on here

Mtl getting him for free was always a flawed assumption cause in that case Dubois would bear all the risks of the transactions by getting underpaid on 1 year deals and then getting shafted by the habs since they know he only wants to be there. If he did that though, kudos to him, that is dedication.

His agent is smarter than that however. The thing that will be interesting is how a team can negotiate a trade while the player is simultaneously negotiating a contract. I feel like the player will have an answer on his contract demand before the team gets an answer on the trade demand. For example, if one team clearly outbids the others in terms of contract but not in terms of assets, what then? Just a thought…

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Which is weird, because I must have heard "he only wants to be in MTL" and "we will get him for free in a year anyway" 1200 times

If I had to guess (complete specualtion), PLD's camp gave Hughes their 9M offer and he came back with the Suzuki offer and when PLD balked, Hughes politely told him they have no interest at him in the 8M+ range for all the reasons Habs fans have posted on here

a small percentage of fans wanted to wait till 2024 but most of us wanted to trade for him all the media talk and Friedman with hes 95% didnt help but yea ill admit even i was sure he was coming over lol

i mean its not over yet but LA is definitely a team that scares me and im sure he would extend with the Kings LA is a great city to live in

Watch MTL media jump on Lafreniere now lol

 

[JianYang]

What if Montreal is not interested?

After all, would you really want someone on your team that has brought baggage everywhere they've been because they weren't drafted where they wanted to be? Seems like a selfish player who's focus may not actually be on playing hockey to the best of their ability.

This is the point I've been making. Why are we automatically assuming that the Habs think it's a good idea to tie up that kind of money in Dubois?

I get what dubois' camp is saying, and what a certain portion of the Montreal media would want, but the habs are under no obligation to reciprocate the same level of interest.

I think Dubois is a good player, and when the mood strikes him, he's very hard guy to play against, but he does come with baggage that needs to be explored, as well as his consistency.

 

[HABitual Fan]

Which is weird, because I must have heard "he only wants to be in MTL" and "we will get him for free in a year anyway" 1200 times

If I had to guess (complete specualtion), PLD's camp gave Hughes their 9M offer and he came back with the Suzuki offer and when PLD balked, Hughes politely told him they have no interest at him in the 8M+ range for all the reasons Habs fans have posted on here

Check the poll on the Habs board , two thirds of the voters do not want or want to trade for PLD.. Please remind him to put on sunscreen when you send him to LA.or wherever.

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

Gonna be hilarious how much Montreal is forced to give up for him. Winnipeg knows it's the only destination, so they have all the leverage.

 

[MrNasty]

Check the poll on the Habs board , two thirds of the voters do not want or want to trade for PLD.. Please remind him to put on sunscreen when you send him to LA.or wherever.

To be fair, this place does not represent the average fan. Most HF posters think every young unproven prospect is better than most established NHL players.

 

[HABitual Fan]

Gonna be hilarious how much Montreal is forced to give up for him. Winnipeg knows it's the only destination, so they have all the leverage.

If Montreal is the only destination, how does that not decrease his value? Montreal would just call Winnipeg's bluff, and walk away from the table. You don't think Montreal wouldn't be aware of there being other suitors or not?

 

[Maukkis]

If Montreal is the only destination, how does that not decrease his value? Montreal would just call Winnipeg's bluff, and walk away from the table. You don't think Montreal wouldn't be aware of there being other suitors or not?

And that is where Dubois' gambit would backfire in a big way. He's trying his damn hardest to get it all one year ahead of his time, while dealing with one of the toughest negotiators in the league (and Hughes doesn't strike me as being much easier to deal with either). Surely he and his agent couldn't have thought that finding a deal would be easy and pleasant for them?

If Montreal isn't paying up and Dubois isn't accepting any other destinations, he is going to regret those public statements about not returning a lot when he eventually has to return to Winnipeg for the final year before UFA. I have said it numerous times and will stick by the statement: you do not want to piss off your entire organisation, your GM, your coaches and your teammates like this, when you have tens of millions of dollars on the line.

 

[NiagaraKraken]

Would Love Dubois on the Kraken.

 

[MoneyManny]

It's not about the number of jobs or assignments you have. It's how you fulfill your end of the bargain. There's an elegant way to transition professionally. I have respect for my employers. As an instructor, I also respect the people who have paid money to attend.

People pay a lot less money to hear me out than they do to see Dubois, but I would never dare in my wildest dreams take a shift off like he did in Columbus. No matter the problems I have at my workplace. I have too much respect for myself and the people who give me their time and money to pull stunts like this.


Weird post overall. Lecturing working class people on their sense of entitlement in order to defend a guy who earns millions a year to play a game but still pouts to get his way.

Most hockey players are perfectly fine respecting their end of the bargain, BTW. The outliers like Dubois are red flagged for good reason. I don't know Dubois personally. He may be a great person. But a hockey lockerroom is a special environment requiring as much dedication and as few distractions as possible.

Maybe Dubois will grow as a person and become a more dedicated athlete but right now, there are question marks around him. To ignore them and pretend Dubois' behavior in the two organisations he has been part of was not problematic would be myopic.

He may have respect for his employers too. We have no idea what happened to him in Colombus for him to react the way he did, all we have are fragments of information given to us by people paid to have us click on their stuff. If all you've ever done at work is pout for 45 seconds in your lifetime, you're a better employee than most of us. Surely not enough to call someone a "cancer" and deliver judgement, but weak minds are easily seduced by the swarm thinking and easy opinions/outrage/canned emotions that social media now provides.

What part of his deal did Dubois not honor? Do you make such a big deal out of a 1 shift pout that happened some years ago for no reason at all or is there something I'm not aware of?

Calling my post weird when you're passing heavy judgement on a young guy, going so far as to say he should "grow as a person" in the same post is pretty weird man.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Gonna be hilarious how much Montreal is forced to give up for him. Winnipeg knows it's the only destination, so they have all the leverage.

...ummm, that's not the way it works, amigo...if the Habs know that the 'Peg can't seem to send him anywhere but there, why would they give up anything of value??...what you just said makes absolutely no sense whatsoever...

 

[Heldig]

Would Love Dubois on the Kraken.

Jets would love Shane Wright.

 

[Imcanadianeh]

Would Love Dubois on the Kraken.

Because I’m in such a generous mood I’ll allow you to have him for the small cost of wright (bust), Beniers (only 1 good year), Dunn (also only 1 good year) and all your first round picks for as long as the team is named “Kraken”

 

[JustAHabFan]

In terms of finances, the Kings will have to move the contracts of Iafallo, Durzi and Lizotte to make it work, but that package isn’t landing you a top six forward. That’s where they have to entertain the thought of moving Kaliyev and possibly another promising prospect such as Chromiak.

A top nine of:
Byfield-Kopitar-Kempe
Fiala-Dubois-Vilardi
Moore-Danault-Arvidsson

That would probably give LA the deepest top 9 in the West.

Danault became UFA because he wanted to play as a 2C. Now he is playing as 3C in LA?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Danault became UFA because he wanted to play as a 2C. Now he is playing as 3C in LA?

1A, 1B, 2nd Line. Fiala played theoretically on what non-observant fans would consider the 3rd line, along with Vilardi.

 

[Flair Hay]

Danault became UFA because he wanted to play as a 2C. Now he is playing as 3C in LA?

I mean it doesn't seem too far fetched, I'm sure he would still play huge minutes for them

Jets would love Shane Wright.

Seattle you never hear anything about, but they have a lot of flexibility to make moves. May be a tough sell asking for a guy with Wright's hype train as a prospect. Hard to trade that away as a GM when they're so afraid of looking dumb. But at this point Wright's ceiling is probably what Dubois is now. Quite different salaries, of course...

Seattle may even be a team to watch for Helle as well

 

[Flair Hay]

1A, 1B, 2nd Line. Fiala played theoretically on what non-observant fans would consider the 3rd line, along with Vilardi.

Yeah not sure what he is laughing at. Past Cup winners are littered with good 2C calibre guys anchoring the checking line. Danault fits that to a tee. I imagine he and Dubois would have similar ice time.

 

[Guffman]

Do you struggle with numbers and math problems?

95 percent chance of going to Montreal means 5 percent chance of going elsewhere, so could you explain why the notion of him going some place other than Montreal suddenly makes the 95 percent claim false?

If the premise of what he based his opinion was faulty, then the 95% was meaningless.

This was never a math problem. This was Fridge saying Dubois was definitely going to Montreal unless something completely unexpected happened.

It was an error of judgement or relying on faulty information.

What I find interesting is that if someone said something was virtually guaranteed, you would give that person a free pass because it wasn’t 100% guaranteed.

I guess my question to you is whether you have trouble identifying what is actually a math problem since what Fridge said certainly was not one.

JFC… the posts I have to deal with.

 

[Atoyot]

Wow.

This is a really embarrassing take.

To be clear, this is this person's opinion; it is entirely his own opinion and it is not reflective, in anyway, of the Canadiens fan base as whole.

This take would be mocked and ridiculed by any level headed Canadiens fan and in no way, shape or form is this clueless take a representation of Canadiens fans as a whole on HFBoards.



Do you struggle with numbers and math problems?

95 percent chance of going to Montreal means 5 percent chance of going elsewhere, so could you explain why the notion of him going some place other than Montreal suddenly makes the 95 percent claim false?

I think he's 99.9% going to LA. If he doesn't I'm not wrong.

 

[Canadienna]

In Friedman's defence he's kind of owning up to it by saying he's been Montreal heavily but now things are changing.

95% seems like a careless comment now.

It's also still not done.

Q: Does this get done pre draft, draft floor, or post draft?

 

[Fatass]

Is there a soon to be PLD for Byfield + (with and extended PLD) soon to be? Maybe it’s a fine deal except for the extension and can’t be formally done until July 1 when the extension can be signed?

 

[Hunter368]

In Friedman's defence he's kind of owning up to it by saying he's been Montreal heavily but now things are changing.

95% seems like a careless comment now.

It's also still not done.

Q: Does this get done pre draft, draft floor, or post draft?

Absolutely could be the Habs who top others offers (albeit it would be more expensive now then before & hard to beat the LA pieces which are very good), but it was reckless reporting to report it as 95% so long ago and before the season even ended & before teams around the league even start their summer planning/moves. Jets fans don't care where he ends up, they just want the best offer out there to help the team, like any fan would.

Chevy is very much a deadline driven GM, always has been so I suspect it will pre draft bc he will push to get the best deal but will not risk losing a good deal on a tiny chance of getting a tiny bit extra on the draft floor if the team just walks away from the deal. IMO

 

[Ace]

LA has better pieces to trade then the Habs theres no way they trade Clarke but maybe Byfield or Vilardi for Dubois with an extension

500 pages later,over a year of talking about it and Dubois aint coming home

I’m sure he will force his way out of wherever he goes without two years and we can do this all again

 

[nhlfan9191]

Absolutely could be the Habs who top others offers (albeit it would be more expensive now then before & hard to beat the LA pieces which are very good), but it was reckless reporting to report it as 95% so long ago and before the season even ended & before teams around the league even start their summer planning/moves. Jets fans don't care where he ends up, they just want the best offer out there to help the team, like any fan would.

Chevy is very much a deadline driven GM, always has been so I suspect it will pre draft bc he will push to get the best deal but will not risk losing a good deal on a tiny chance of getting a tiny bit extra on the draft floor if the team just walks away from the deal. IMO

It’s only wreckless reporting if you don’t factor in Dubois is a primadonna. All the signs from all the way back when he was in Columbus would point to Montreal but this is PLD we’re talking about. He makes a lot of noise just for the sake of making it. Montreal is leverage. It’s not the first time a player has used us that way. Luckily, it seems we have a GM that is smart enough to hold his ground. He’s not a good enough player for a manager to start sweating over his demands. Or the Jets demands for that matter. If the Habs walk away completely before a deal is made because the price is too high, then his value drops.