LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[Richiebottles]

Still think he ends up on the Habs.

But the price will be higher.

 

[BB88]

“The Jets don’t want a trade based purely on futures. Winnipeg wants players who can help them compete for the playoffs. The Canadiens’ most coveted assets — Nick Suzuki, Cole Caufield, even Kirby Dach— are off limits, and fairly so”

The article also mention that Vilardi might be put on the table while Byfield seems to be untouchable.

What we’re hearing about Dubois, Hellebuyck, Wheeler and Jets' future

While Dubois may be the Jets' most urgent move, what happens with Hellebuyck will be the most important.

theathletic.com

PLD/Helle/Scheifele on the market and thinking playoffs?

They are so going to mess up this offseason

 

[Fatass]

The Kings can’t do that deal without some serious cap hit being moved. Also they still think Byfield is on track (Per Yanetti) so I doubt he’s on the table.

We will find out in a couple weeks - July 1. Can’t extend PLD until then.

 

[Baksfamous112]

We will find out in a couple weeks - July 1. Can’t extend PLD until then.

Yes they can.

 

[Qwijibo]

We will find out in a couple weeks - July 1. Can’t extend PLD until then.

He was eligible to be re-signed on Jan 1. So yes. He can be extended now

 

[Fatass]

He was eligible to be re-signed on Jan 1. So yes. He can be extended now

Thanks for the clarification. Is that January date because PLD is an RFA July 1?

 

[Buffdog]

Thanks for the clarification. Is that January date because PLD is an RFA July 1?

No, it's because he was on a 1 year deal

 

[WatchfulElm]

Habs fans and Habs management aren’t as interested in this guy as you think. We’re listening, but we’re also prepared to move on. Dubois isn’t good enough to warrant the attention he’s getting.

Hi Kent, I was not expecting you on this board!

 

[nhlfan9191]

Hi Kent, I was not expecting you on this board!

From everything that’s been reported and that we know, nobody is knocking down Winnipeg’s door with urgency to get a deal done. You don’t need to be Kent Hughes to see that.

 

[KingsFan7824]

PLD/Helle/Scheifele on the market and thinking playoffs?

They are so going to mess up this offseason

Their top 2 scorers from last year, as far as I know, haven't said anything about wanting out yet. They currently have $13m in cap space. If they trade those 3 guys, for 5-7 guys, at potentially lower cap hits, and use that space wisely, they could possibly put a playoff team on the ice.

Buy Wheeler out, that's another $5.5m for next year.

True, Winnipeg isn't a destination for any player, but get a reclamation project that works out, a bargain contract or two in free agency, Perfetti produces more, the playoffs aren't a crazy idea.

 

[Michoulicious]

Their top 2 scorers from last year, as far as I know, haven't said anything about wanting out yet. They currently have $13m in cap space. If they trade those 3 guys, for 5-7 guys, at potentially lower cap hits, and use that space wisely, they could possibly put a playoff team on the ice.

Buy Wheeler out, that's another $5.5m for next year.

True, Winnipeg isn't a destination for any player, but get a reclamation project that works out, a bargain contract or two in free agency, Perfetti produces more, the playoffs aren't a crazy idea.

No way they contend if they lose their #1 C (Scheifele), their #2 C (Dubois), their #1 G (Hellebuyck) and their 3rd best winger (Wheeler).

Impossible. That team is in a rebuild, whether they acknowledge it or not.

 

[BB88]

Their top 2 scorers from last year, as far as I know, haven't said anything about wanting out yet. They currently have $13m in cap space. If they trade those 3 guys, for 5-7 guys, at potentially lower cap hits, and use that space wisely, they could possibly put a playoff team on the ice.

Buy Wheeler out, that's another $5.5m for next year.

True, Winnipeg isn't a destination for any player, but get a reclamation project that works out, a bargain contract or two in free agency, Perfetti produces more, the playoffs aren't a crazy idea.

They are looking at trading their 2 best C’s and superstar goalie.

They should absolutely committ to rebuild.

By asking NHL ready players over future assets you are limiting the teams ceiling. Vast majority of the teams interested in trading for these players aim to be good next season and rather not take away from their current lineup and pay more in future assets.

So yeah they’d be a better team next year but with a lower ceiling.
So max out the trade return on those players instead and actually try to be good one day and not maybe a playoff team next year.

If they are so shortsighted in their view they should just sell the team and fire everyone.
They’ll be in world of trouble

 

[Fatass]

No, it's because he was on a 1 year deal

So PLD is a coming RFA July 1, right? He can be qualified and have one more year to bring a UFA.
So if he’s traded before July 1 he can either be qualified by his new club or extended to a long term deal. I’m guessing the Jets have allowed clubs to talk to PLD’s agent. His ask for his next contract must be at least what Horvat just got.

 

[Buffdog]

So PLD is a coming RFA July 1, right? He can be qualified and have one more year to bring a UFA.
So if he’s traded before July 1 he can either be qualified by his new club or extended to a long term deal. I’m guessing the Jets have allowed clubs to talk to PLD’s agent. His ask for his next contract must be at least what Horvat just got.

Correct

Rumour has it that his ask is between horvat and barzal

No way they contend if they lose their #1 C (Scheifele), their #2 C (Dubois), their #1 G (Hellebuyck) and their 3rd best winger (Wheeler).

Impossible. That team is in a rebuild, whether they acknowledge it or not.

I think the idea is to look for young NHL ready talent in those returns vs pure futures (picks and recently drafted prospects who are still 2-3 years away)

 

[Baksfamous112]

So PLD is a coming RFA July 1, right? He can be qualified and have one more year to bring a UFA.
So if he’s traded before July 1 he can either be qualified by his new club or extended to a long term deal. I’m guessing the Jets have allowed clubs to talk to PLD’s agent. His ask for his next contract must be at least what Horvat just got.

From my understand to get an 8 years deal Jets have to sign him then trade him but the contract has to be signed with Winnipeg first. Doubt he’s getting to July 1st without a new contract.

If a team acquire him and sign him to a new deal they can only do 7 years.

 

[BB88]

Correct

Rumour has it that his ask is between horvat and barzal


I think the idea is to look for young NHL ready talent in those returns vs pure futures (picks and recently drafted prospects who are still 2-3 years away)

& no good team will give up as much in those vs pure futures.

Good team need& want to have those players in their lineup as well when trying to make a push

 

[KingsFan7824]

No way they contend if they lose their #1 C (Scheifele), their #2 C (Dubois), their #1 G (Hellebuyck) and their 3rd best winger (Wheeler).

Impossible. That team is in a rebuild, whether they acknowledge it or not.

I said a playoff spot. Didn't say anything about contending.

They are looking at trading their 2 best C’s and superstar goalie.

They should absolutely committ to rebuild.

By asking NHL ready players over future assets you are limiting the teams ceiling. Vast majority of the teams interested in trading for these players aim to be good next season and rather not take away from their current lineup and pay more in future assets.

So yeah they’d be a better team next year but with a lower ceiling.
So max out the trade return on those players instead and actually try to be good one day and not maybe a playoff team next year.

If they are so shortsighted in their view they should just sell the team and fire everyone.
They’ll be in world of trouble

Of course they should. There's no point in keeping Connor and Morrissey either. They should tear it all down now since half the team wants out. However, if they don't want to do that, they can put together some moves to still try and make the playoffs.

The problem with rebuilding, is that nothing is guaranteed. You're more likely to end up back in the mushy middle again than be an elite contender though. Law of averages. 5 elite true contenders at any given time, 5 teams that just suck, and 22 teams where a career year here and there might get you to the playoffs or a crazy run for the Cup. Just like you're more likely to never get out of the 2nd rd than win the Cup even once(see Washington). Rebuilding isn't done at the drop of a hat. The NHL is a business, and nobody wants to suck for 5 years with no guarantee you get anything for it.

Saying that, one of the best times to actually say, ok, we're going to start over, is when top players start wanting out. Buffalo, right after the lockout when they had those great teams, and both Briere and Drury walked out on the same day in 2007, they ended up wasting 6 years trying to be competitive, until they finally dealt Vanek and said we're done.

The Jets could get a ton for Connor and Morrissey, in addition to whatever they could get for the other 3, and start a real rebuild. But if they don't want to, it doesn't matter if they should.

 

[Guy Larose]

From everything that’s been reported and that we know, nobody is knocking down Winnipeg’s door with urgency to get a deal done. You don’t need to be Kent Hughes to see that.

We and the media know nothing

 

[TS Quint]

The Kings can’t do that deal without some serious cap hit being moved. Also they still think Byfield is on track (Per Yanetti) so I doubt he’s on the table.

On what track?

I dont see many GMs coming out to express their disappointment in players. Many times the vote of confidence is a kiss of death, we see that all the time.

the real question to the GM is if the trade makes sense for their goals or not. Good GMs don’t hold a loyalty to a player over the team.

 

[WpgSteve]

& no good team will give up as much in those vs pure futures.

Good team need& want to have those players in their lineup as well when trying to make a push

I'm not sure I agree with this. To me, "pure futures" means draft picks. Good teams have traded these or the picks are high because those teams are good.

In contrast, good teams might have good young players that are redundant or haven't reached their potential yet. Byfield is a good example. Most teams wouldn't trade him because of his potential, but LA might because PLD is better right now.

 

[Baksfamous112]

On what track?

I dont see many GMs coming out to express their disappointment in players. Many times the vote of confidence is a kiss of death, we see that all the time.

the real question to the GM is if the trade makes sense for their goals or not. Good GMs don’t hold a loyalty to a player over the team.

What we’re hearing about Dubois, Hellebuyck, Wheeler and Jets' future

While Dubois may be the Jets' most urgent move, what happens with Hellebuyck will be the most important.

theathletic.com

Pretty much says that Suzuki, Caufield, Dach and Byfield are non-starters. Vilardi *might* be a piece that the kings make available though

I'm not sure I agree with this. To me, "pure futures" means draft picks. Good teams have traded these or the picks are high because those teams are good.

In contrast, good teams might have good young players that are redundant or haven't reached their potential yet. Byfield is a good example. Most teams wouldn't trade him because of his potential, but LA might because PLD is better right now.

Sorry to burst your bubble but nope.

 

[Kurrilino]

On what track?

I dont see many GMs coming out to express their disappointment in players. Many times the vote of confidence is a kiss of death, we see that all the time.

the real question to the GM is if the trade makes sense for their goals or not. Good GMs don’t hold a loyalty to a player over the team.

You should really look up Iafallo, Alex contract resign and Doughty's role in that.
This is the kind of GM you are dealing with.

"Quote Doughty"
Very well deserved contract. It was coming down to the wire and I was texting him, ‘Do you want me to just call Blakey and say to sign you?

Those actions are the ones crippling the Kings right now.

 

[TS Quint]

You should really look up Iafallo, Alex contract resign and Doughty's role in that.
This is the kind of GM you are dealing with.

"Quote Doughty"
Very well deserved contract. It was coming down to the wire and I was texting him, ‘Do you want me to just call Blakey and say to sign you?

Those actions are the ones crippling the Kings right now.

I have no idea what any of this means....

 

[bennylundholm]

You should really look up Iafallo, Alex contract resign and Doughty's role in that.
This is the kind of GM you are dealing with.

"Quote Doughty"
Very well deserved contract. It was coming down to the wire and I was texting him, ‘Do you want me to just call Blakey and say to sign you?

Those actions are the ones crippling the Kings right now.

Anyone make sense of any of this?

 

[KingsOfCali25]

On what track?

I dont see many GMs coming out to express their disappointment in players. Many times the vote of confidence is a kiss of death, we see that all the time.

the real question to the GM is if the trade makes sense for their goals or not. Good GMs don’t hold a loyalty to a player over the team.

Yannetti was talking about the Kings draft process and recent picks. He talked about the Kings run a development plan at 7 total years. They look for the prospects to be making the NHL team at 5 years and be contributing in years 6 and 7. He said the hope is prospects exceed that time frame but are happy with how long it take to develop. He said guys like Toffoli, Kempe and Vilardi are perfect examples of the process. He also said that they made some mistakes by rushing guys to early in the process that hurt their development. So Byfield being in his 3rd season has exceed the process but they don't want to rush him in development at the NHL level. They see the player the drafted at 2 OA but just need to see him be more consistent.