LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[John Mandalorian]

Anyone make sense of any of this?

Doughty calls the shots, not the GM. The implication also seems to be that Blake is very generous with contracts because he has a player in his ear who influences him.

 

[nhlfan9191]

I'm not sure I agree with this. To me, "pure futures" means draft picks. Good teams have traded these or the picks are high because those teams are good.

In contrast, good teams might have good young players that are redundant or haven't reached their potential yet. Byfield is a good example. Most teams wouldn't trade him because of his potential, but LA might because PLD is better right now.

I highly doubt Byfield is available. If he was, that trade would’ve been done by now. The same can be said about Dach in Montreal. Winnipeg is likely coming in way too high on what they want. If I’m a GM that’s interested, I simply wait them out until they’re forced to arbitration to make a deal. Even if other teams are bidding against eachother, at least the offers will be more realistic on a rental as opposed to Winnipeg thinking they have all the leverage right now. And you can negotiate the extension after anyways.

 

[Buffdog]

I highly doubt Byfield is available. If he was, that trade would’ve been done by now. The same can be said about Dach in Montreal. Winnipeg is likely coming in way too high on what they want. If I’m a GM that’s interested, I simply wait them out until they’re forced to arbitration to make a deal. Even if other teams are bidding against eachother, at least the offers will be more realistic on a rental as opposed to Winnipeg thinking they have all the leverage right now. And you can negotiate the extension after anyways.

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe the teams have already hammered out a return and now it's just the contract that's holding g things up

Why do you think it's a rental price? It's a 1B centre who is 6'4, 220lbs plays with grit and scores. The contract is timed perfectly to align with his prime.

Opportunities like this rarely exist for teams

 

[JTeller97]

I just don't see a 60 pt center who's asking for 9 million while having a stigma of being cancerous and only wanting to go to a handful of teams returning a ton in a trade. I think Jets fans are going to be very disappointed with the return but, who knows.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe the teams have already hammered out a return and now it's just the contract that's holding g things up

Why do you think it's a rental price? It's a 1B centre who is 6'4, 220lbs plays with grit and scores. The contract is timed perfectly to align with his prime.

Opportunities like this rarely exist for teams

He’s also a 6’3, 220 pound center with a ton of red flags from both a performance and character standpoint. That might be a problem for this “opportunity that rarely exist.”

 

[Buffdog]

He’s also a 6’3, 220 pound center with a ton of red flags from both a performance and character standpoint. That might be a problem for this “opportunity that rarely exist.”

A "ton"?

Do tell

 

[nhlfan9191]

A "ton"?

Do tell

Quit on his team in Columbus and got clipped for it, lots of inconsistencies in Winnipeg performance wise, part of a core that was callled out as recent as last month for work ethic by a head coach, and it seems like he’s always surrounded by drama. What do you mean “do tell.” Lol do you not keep tabs on your own players?

 

[Buffdog]

You quoted two, then lumped him in "the core"

Hardly a "ton"

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

This guy better take a pay cut if he wants to play in Montreal , he's gonna get ripped if he underperforms at a high salary he probably knows this though

 

[nhlfan9191]

You quoted two, then lumped him in "the core"

Hardly a "ton"

There’s more then enough there to put a buyers beware label on his back. I would ignore that just like you if I was trying to sell a used faulty vehicle at the highest priced possible.

 

[Ace]

Imagine your position being that Dubois doesn’t have a ton of red flags. You died before you even got to the hill.

 

[Buffdog]

There’s more then enough there to put a buyers beware label on his back. I would ignore that just like you if I was trying to sell a used faulty vehicle at the highest priced possible.

Sure, but not "a ton", like you said

Maybe you should have said "a couple" or "a few"

Imagine your position being that Dubois doesn’t have a ton of red flags. You died before you even got to the hill.

Maybe a couple

Not a ton

If that's your position, first define "a ton", then show how PLD meets that definition

 

[Kurrilino]

I have no idea what any of this means....

It means that Blake showed loyalty to a player over the organization.
He pleased the crying Doughty by resinging Iafallo to an aweful contract.

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe the teams have already hammered out a return and now it's just the contract that's holding g things up

Why do you think it's a rental price? It's a 1B centre who is 6'4, 220lbs plays with grit and scores. The contract is timed perfectly to align with his prime.

Opportunities like this rarely exist for teams

The the Jets should hurry up resigning him

 

[Fatass]

This guy better take a pay cut if he wants to play in Montreal , he's gonna get ripped if he underperforms at a high salary he probably knows this though

Imo PLD doesn’t care where he plays. He’s floated the Montreal idea to gain leverage on the team he’s traded to so he can get the biggest contract possible. Some team will get PLD this summer and he’s going to get Horvat + money. The Habs might actually be dodging a bullet. Yes PLD is way better than Dach as their 2C. But at 9 per?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Imo PLD doesn’t care where he plays. He’s floated the Montreal idea to gain leverage on the team he’s traded to so he can get the biggest contract possible. Some team will get PLD this summer and he’s going to get Horvat + money. The Habs might actually be dodging a bullet. Yes PLD is way better than Dach as their 2C. But at 9 per?

Yeah I've always thought MTL was a leverage thing but it's a bit conspiracy theory-ish so I don't know lol

 

[Richiebottles]

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[BLNY]

Imo PLD doesn’t care where he plays. He’s floated the Montreal idea to gain leverage on the team he’s traded to so he can get the biggest contract possible. Some team will get PLD this summer and he’s going to get Horvat + money. The Habs might actually be dodging a bullet. Yes PLD is way better than Dach as their 2C. But at 9 per?

I'd throw out Dach's seasons in Chicago. He was very good in most aspects for Montreal this season. His biggest shortcoming was face-offs. 38 points in 58 games is a 53 point season, largely played without the benefit of much talent along side him. He's strong on his skates and along the boards too.

I still have some durability concerns with Kirby, but the talent is definitely there for him to be every bit as good, if not better, than PLD.

Understanding that UFA contracts (which PLD is essentially) are different than RFA contracts, my preference would be that no skater is paid more than Suzuki or Caufield.

 

[Guffman]

my preference would be that no skater is paid more than Suzuki or Caufield.

So, your preference is to not have any players better than Suzuki/Caufield? That’s interesting team building.

 

[FerrisRox]

You quoted two, then lumped him in "the core"

Hardly a "ton"

You don't think Dubois is part of the Jets core? He's not "lumped in with the core," he's a huge part of it.

 

[TS Quint]

It means that Blake showed loyalty to a player over the organization.
He pleased the crying Doughty by resinging Iafallo to an aweful fontract.

Thank you

 

[Buffdog]

You don't think Dubois is part of the Jets core? He's not "lumped in with the core," he's a huge part of it.

No, I don't

When I think "core", I think Wheeler, Schief, Jomo, Lowry and Helle. They seemed to make up the leadership group

 

[TS Quint]

Yannetti was talking about the Kings draft process and recent picks. He talked about the Kings run a development plan at 7 total years. They look for the prospects to be making the NHL team at 5 years and be contributing in years 6 and 7. He said the hope is prospects exceed that time frame but are happy with how long it take to develop. He said guys like Toffoli, Kempe and Vilardi are perfect examples of the process. He also said that they made some mistakes by rushing guys to early in the process that hurt their development. So Byfield being in his 3rd season has exceed the process but they don't want to rush him in development at the NHL level. They see the player the drafted at 2 OA but just need to see him be more consistent.

This sounds like fairy tales you tell prospects and fans to preach patience. Expectations and projections always change as you get more information. I doubt it's the same today as it was the day Bayfield was drafted. Or for most players 3 seasons after their draft year.

The Kings are also in a far different position today than they have been over the last 5+ years. It's time to win now. That's a good team. Some average goaltending and an improve ment here or there and I think they got something. If they can have what they hope Byfield will be a few years from now in PLD I think that just opens their window to Cup contender now especially with Kopitar trending down with age.

 

[TS Quint]

He’s also a 6’3, 220 pound center with a ton of red flags from both a performance and character standpoint. That might be a problem for this “opportunity that rarely exist.”

Even with his supposed red flags he still performs better than Suzuki. But im sure Suzuki gets a bunch more excuses.

 

[Guy Larose]

Even with his supposed red flags he still performs better than Suzuki. But im sure Suzuki gets a bunch more excuses.

They don't exactly have the same players around them do they....

 

[nhlfan9191]

Even with his supposed red flags he still performs better than Suzuki. But im sure Suzuki gets a bunch more excuses.

It’s not an excuse to look at Winnipeg’s wingers and point out the obvious fact that Suzuki was playing with significantly less talent, especially with Caufield hurt half the season. Suzuki also has a far better two way game and brings more intangibles.