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LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

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Oscar The Grouch said:
Gonna be hilarious how much Montreal is forced to give up for him. Winnipeg knows it's the only destination, so they have all the leverage.
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I think this 5 team list is a way to get Winnipeg more from Montreal especially if that’s the only team he wants to be traded to… can’t Winnipeg trade him anywhere they want?

Also, I really don’t think they are willing to give up and trade the prospects they just signed. For all we know beck becomes better in the NHL than Dubois.
 
Flair Hay said:
Yeah not sure what he is laughing at. Past Cup winners are littered with good 2C calibre guys anchoring the checking line. Danault fits that to a tee. I imagine he and Dubois would have similar ice time.
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Exactly. Players that want to win would be welcoming that sort of addition to strengthen their team. The ice time will work itself out. To win it all you need 4 lines contributing in whatever role they’re asked.
 
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Canadienna said:
Montreal does not have the required picks to do so.

They gave up their 2024 2nd in the Dvorak trade.
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The return is 1st, 2nd, 3rd. I don't know though if it's the same year or those could be from various years. Like 1st in 2024, 2nd in 2025, etc...and if you could trade to aquire picks to give. Maybe Peg could choose to take the Florida first rounder instead of a 2nd(or the player the Habs would have selected).

But they would match anyway.
 
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Kimota said:
The return is 1st, 2nd, 3rd. I don't know though if it's the same year or those could be from various years. Like 1st in 2024, 2nd in 2025, etc...and if you could trade to aquire picks to give. Maybe Peg could choose to take the Florida first rounder instead of a 2nd(or the player the Habs would have selected).

But they would match anyway.
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Offer sheet this summer and it is the team owns 2024 picks that is on the line. So Montreal cant offer sheet anything that involves a second round pick, because it is in Arizona. If it multiple first rounders, it is the team own again, so 2024 2025 etc. Cant use other team picks.
 
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howkie said:
Offer sheet this summer and it is the team owns 2024 picks that is on the line. So Montreal cant offer sheet anything that involves a second round pick, because it is in Arizona. If it multiple first rounders, it is the team own again, so 2024 2025 etc. Cant use other team picks.
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So we'd need the GM to get it back :naughty:
 
Anderson, Dvorak and a 1st for Dubois ?

Too much cap to the Jets?

If so what prospects Vs a salary like Dvorak
 
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Caroline Says ll said:
Those flaws are not little. The craziest thing is every time this argument gets brought up these vague generalities get brought up how he is "built" for playoff hockey, or his impact is off the score sheet.

Pucks die in his possession. This is a player that has played the majority on the second or first line of Montreal the past two years, has played 69 games both seasons, averaged 17 minutes TOI and been typically on the 2nd PP unit. Yet somehow, he has only managed 11 and 13 assists for those two years and even despite this reputation for goal scoring only managed to scrape to 20 goals one of those two years.

What these stats point to is an inability to continue offence past the rush chances. He cannot extend plays. He does not grind in the cycle. He has little to no vision and somehow can't even muster enough secondary assists to be respectable. Overall he doesn't have the skills to be a useful addition to any respectable team at the top of their lineup and has little to no versatility to be useful in the bottom - especially making 5.5.
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Don't disagree with alot of this, he definitely has flaws. If he didn't he'd be a top player in the league with his physical attributes. Also, "doesn't grind in the cycle" is a little goofy. He is a good player on the boards, if this doesn't show up in your spreadsheet that's on stats, not Anderson.

Thing is, he is a bit of a unicorn when it comes to actual hockey. He is huge, is on most shifts the fastest guy on the ice, and smashes guys. Will drop the gloves. Although not first wave, he plays on the PK. In the run to the Cup, he was a wrecking ball. Hard to agree with your conclusion that he has no value in the top of bottom of the lineup - you don't see a spot for a big physical guy that can pace 20g and play PK on the third line?

Not particularly interested in a back and forth on Andersons worth, he seems to be a lightning rod on these boards. He is a stat watchers dream. But you can't just drop stats on a guy like this without acknowledging what makes him unique; huge, fast, physical goal scorer with a mean steak. You may not like this type of player but I personally would have hated to play against him, give me as soft analytical dream going into a corner, I'll pass on cycle grinding with Andy.

Edit to add: While I love Anderson as a player, not a good fit for the Jets, where they headed. He would be brilliant on a team like the Leafs.
 
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“The Jets don’t want a trade based purely on futures. Winnipeg wants players who can help them compete for the playoffs. The Canadiens’ most coveted assets — Nick Suzuki, Cole Caufield, even Kirby Dach— are off limits, and fairly so”

The article also mention that Vilardi might be put on the table while Byfield seems to be untouchable.
theathletic.com

What we’re hearing about Dubois, Hellebuyck, Wheeler and Jets' future

While Dubois may be the Jets' most urgent move, what happens with Hellebuyck will be the most important.
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Buffdog said:
Which is weird, because I must have heard "he only wants to be in MTL" and "we will get him for free in a year anyway" 1200 times

If I had to guess (complete specualtion), PLD's camp gave Hughes their 9M offer and he came back with the Suzuki offer and when PLD balked, Hughes politely told him they have no interest at him in the 8M+ range for all the reasons Habs fans have posted on here
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Habs fans and Habs management aren’t as interested in this guy as you think. We’re listening, but we’re also prepared to move on. Dubois isn’t good enough to warrant the attention he’s getting.
 
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Baksfamous112 said:
“The Jets don’t want a trade based purely on futures. Winnipeg wants players who can help them compete for the playoffs. The Canadiens’ most coveted assets — Nick Suzuki, Cole Caufield, even Kirby Dach— are off limits, and fairly so”

The article also mention that Vilardi might be put on the table while Byfield seems to be untouchable.
theathletic.com

What we’re hearing about Dubois, Hellebuyck, Wheeler and Jets' future

While Dubois may be the Jets' most urgent move, what happens with Hellebuyck will be the most important.
theathletic.com theathletic.com
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Iafallo will really help the Peg compete right now.
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FSL KINGS said:
Iafallo will really help the Peg compete right now.
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There has been a bunch of Jets fans that have shown their insecurity in this thread regarding the return and I can’t blame them. I would be terrified as well to read about how my GM wants to move all these core pieces and expect to go right back into playoff contention and not get a future-heavy return.

That usually leads the team who replaced core pieces with secondary pieces (Iafallo, Ardvisson, Dvorak, Anderson etc..) into the bottom the the standing and no real bright spot on the way up.
 
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Fat Ass said:
Is there a soon to be PLD for Byfield + (with and extended PLD) soon to be? Maybe it’s a fine deal except for the extension and can’t be formally done until July 1 when the extension can be signed?
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The Kings can’t do that deal without some serious cap hit being moved. Also they still think Byfield is on track (Per Yanetti) so I doubt he’s on the table.
 
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