LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[Kimota]

Anderson's contract is a total no-go. Don't.

It's only 5 million.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Any idea on Vilardi's contract ask?

It would make a lot of sense for him to be a part of the PLD return if that's the case

With King's? Probably a bridge deal. Cap is tight & he could take a big step forward still. Won't want to sign long term before that opportunity.

Haven't seen any numbers leak out.

 

[Mersss]

See, that's a reasonable offer from a Habs fan.

Depending on what else is offered, I'd take that deal

Of course thats a ton more than what was offered for a better C with 1 year left.

Pld won't cost more than Horvat the market was set at last tdl

 

[Kimota]

Don't worry. Habs are not really shopping Anderson and he likely has the Jets on his NTC list. Some Habs fans are desperate to move Anderson but don't fool yourself. Lots of other Habs fans prefer to keep him and Hughes/Gorton are also not desperate to trade him. It's not easy to find a big body with goal scoring power who can skate like that. We are glad to have him.

Well I don't want to move him either. But there are special situations like this one.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I just don't see how the Kings can even take on PLD's next contract. Vilardi was a stud last year and I think he's going to be even better if he stays healthy. I'm just not sure what PLD over Vilardi does for the team. Especially with that higher cap hit.

Only thing that makes sense for me is Kopitar needs a new contract at age 36 (after next season). Do they extend him for 2 years or try to fit Dubois in now as his replacement? Or do they have faith one of Byfield or Vilardi can do that in 2/3 more years?

Well I don't want to move him either. But there are special situations like this one.

I prefer to keep the big boy and the Jets don't look like they value Anderson. I've moved on from that idea months ago.

Habs have a lot of youth filtering in. Having both Anderson and Dubois helps in the physical areas. Anderson is a keeper to me.

 

[Buffdog]

I just don't see how the Kings can even take on PLD's next contract. Vilardi was a stud last year and I think he's going to be even better if he stays healthy. I'm just not sure what PLD over Vilardi does for the team. Especially with that higher cap hit.

PLD is a physical player that plays with bite. Him and Byfield as 1-2 for the next 8 years would make LA very hard to play against.

Jets can take back Iafallo AND Arvidsson, and send someone like Appleton back, making it almost a wash

 

[Habs Halifax]

See, that's a reasonable offer from a Habs fan.

Depending on what else is offered, I'd take that deal

And Beck, Panthers 1st and Dvorak is not? Basically the difference is Beck vs Barron and an added Kidney (grade B performing well). Beck and Barron are close to me but Barron is in the NHL so maybe he gets the edge. That story could change in 2 more seasons though. Adding a Grade B like Kidney should not be a deal breaker.

I'm pretty sure that offer you think is reasonable was posted before.

I'm not trying to hide anything. I would have Beck and Barron's potential close. Do you value Barron more because he was a 1st rounder? . Several in your fan base seems low on Beck and that part is strange to me. Do you value Kidney more than Beck due to points?

 

[Buffdog]

Of course thats a ton more than what was offered for a better C with 1 year left.

Pld won't cost more than Horvat the market was set at last tdl

How many times do you have to be told that PLD is coming with an extension? Horvat didn't have an extension. Lou said it himself

Christ

 

[JustAHabFan]

PLD is a physical player that plays with bite. Him and Byfield as 1-2 for the next 8 years would make LA very hard to play against.

Jets can take back Iafallo AND Arvidsson, and send someone like Appleton back, making it almost a wash

Iafallo and Arvidsson are good players. I am very very surprised the King will include them in a trade for Dubois. if that's the case I am pretty sure the King will get Dubois. Such a trade will destroy a lot of chemistry within a team. Not really sure if it's worth it for the Kings.

 

[Buffdog]

And Beck, Panthers 1st and Dvorak is not? Basically the difference is Beck vs Barron and an added Kidney (grade B performing well). Beck and Barron are close to me but Barron is in the NHL so maybe he gets the edge. That story could change in 2 more seasons though. Adding a Grade B like Kidney should not be a deal breaker.

I'm pretty sure that offer you think is reasonable was posted before.

Kidney's numbers in junior are actually better than Beck's (difference in leagues notwithstanding).

I'd take the slight drop off in C prospect quality to have Barron included

 

[Maukkis]

It's only 5 million.

We're going to casually ignore the four years part? That's four million too much and three years too long.

 

[TS Quint]

No one says free. Vilardi and Kaliyev tier players would be a great get for Winnipeg. You think Kings or Montreal will pay Slafkovsky, Byfield or Clarke for Dubois?

You can beat up as many straw men as you want.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Kidney's numbers in junior are actually better than Beck's (difference in leagues notwithstanding).

I'd take the slight drop off in C prospect quality to have Barron included

Barron is a pipe dream for Winnipeg. It’s not happening. He’s the only legit RHD habs have in their lineup right now. Mailloux (for better or worst) would probably be the only RHD piece Montreal can afford to move

 

[Mersss]

Both Barron ane Mailloux are pipe dream. Any top 5 prospect is a pipe dream

His value is the same as Horvat. 1st + B prospect + Dump.

Even if je comes with an extension. He told everyone that he won't stay more than 1 year with the Jets. They either trade him for a similar value to Horvat.or lose him for nothing.

Barron is a pipe dream for Winnipeg. It’s not happening. He’s the only legit RHD have in their line-up

 

[Schmooley]

You can beat up as many straw men as you want.

What do you mean?

 

[ThisIsMyAlibi]

Has anyone traded for this turd yet??

 

[Buffdog]

Barron is a pipe dream for Winnipeg. It’s not happening. He’s the only legit RHD habs have in their lineup right now. Mailloux (for better or worst) would probably be the only RHD piece Montreal can afford to move

Pass then. LA has a few young RHD they can offer

Personally I'm not against Mailloux, but there are plenty of Jets fans who are

 

[Canadienna]

We're going to casually ignore the four years part? That's four million too much and three years too long.

Lol this is just silly. Anderson at 1.5m would be one of the best deals in hockey.

 

[Captain97]

Beck, Barron & pick 31, if Dvorak is coming over. If not, we leave Beck out of the discussion.

Again - it is not the Jets' responsibility to help Montreal with its bad contracts. It is a service that comes with a cost.

Dvorak isn't a bad contract... I included him so Winnipeg would have a centre.

If he is viewed so negatively I also said we could do Hoffman, which is one year at 4.5 million.

Cap almost always goes the other way in these deals.

 

[Kimota]

We're going to casually ignore the four years part? That's four million too much and three years too long.

Why should it matter? You're gonna trade Dubois, Shaffle and Wheeler and you're gonna have a ton of cap space.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Pass then. LA has a few young RHD they can offer

Personally I'm not against Mailloux, but there are plenty of Jets fans who are

Who?

 

[Buffdog]

Who?

Clarke (likely unavailable), Spence, Durzi

(In order of most value to less)

 

[Mersss]

Clarke (likely unavailable), Spence, Durzi

(In order of most value to less)

And Harris is a much better dman than Spence and Durzi even when playing on the R

 

[Baksfamous112]

Clarke (likely unavailable), Spence, Durzi

(In order of most value to less)

If Spence is the best you can get you should just target something else and focus on drafting RHD in the next two years.

 

[Caroline Says ll]

Don't worry. Habs are not really shopping Anderson and he likely has the Jets on his NTC list. Some Habs fans are desperate to move Anderson but don't fool yourself. Lots of other Habs fans prefer to keep him and Hughes/Gorton are also not desperate to trade him. It's not easy to find a big body with goal scoring power who can skate like that. We are glad to have him.

My favourite aspect of hockey analysis is when two people can watch the same player play and have two exceptionally different views on them.

To me, Anderson with his contract has negative value. He is big and fast but is awful defensively. Offensively he is one tricked with his north south rush, but is incapable of cycling the puck and incapable of high impact passes. This is a player who gets heralded for his "goal scoring" ability, yet struggles to crack 20 goals despite playing the majority of his time with the top two units of Montreal.

He gets lauded with these "intangibles" as if points do not tell the whole story, but if you are incapable of making a key pass, or cycling the puck despite your massive frame - you are killing more offence than creating. Especially with his tendency to blow his coverage. With a contract pushing 6 million, that's a no go for me.