LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[sansabri]

$4 million > $5.8 million...?

Or

$4.8 million > $7.5 million...?

.8 to $4M is 5x

$1.7 to $5.3M is less

 

[SCP Guy]

$4 million > $5.8 million...?

Or

$4.8 million > $7.5 million...?

I was told there would be no math here hehe

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

.8 to $4M is 5x

$1.7 to $5.3M is less

That's one weird-ass way of trying to paint it considering net accounts for differences in salary.

Just to highlight the absurdity:

$8.5 million to $7 million is .82x. Ben Harris was more valuable than Leon Draisaitl according to you.

 

[sansabri]

That's one weird-ass way of trying to paint it considering net accounts for differences in salary.

Just to highlight the absurdity:

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$8.5 million to $7 million is .82x. Ben Harris was more valuable than Leon Draisaitl according to you.

why are you moaning at me and not the athletic for these absurd analytics

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

why are you moaning at me and not the athletic for these absurd analytics

I didn't force you to make an inane post.

 

[Guffman]

Like it or not, even if the Habs say we are out, we are still going to comment. You know, we do have a lot of fans with varying opinions.

Hab fans with varying opinions:

1. Dvorak, Kidney or Beck, Florida 1st
2. Dvorak, Beck or Kidney, Florida 1st

 

[EveryDay]

Hab fans with varying opinions:

1. Dvorak, Kidney or Beck, Florida 1st
2. Dvorak, Beck or Kidney, Florida 1st

I can offer more I believe;

Florida 1st
Calgary 1st( top3 protected)
Justin Barron
Owen Beck

Better?

 

[Buffdog]

I can offer more I believe;

Florida 1st
Calgary 1st( top3 protected)
Justin Barron
Owen Beck

Better?

I'd do that

 

[Baksfamous112]

I'd do that

Glad we got that out of the way. Who wouldn’t lmao

 

[Guffman]

I can offer more I believe;

Florida 1st
Calgary 1st( top3 protected)
Justin Barron
Owen Beck

Better?

Yes, that would consummate the deal. Hey, I would even take Dvorak if you wanted.

BTW, I don’t think you have to put protection on the Calgary pick. Calgary already added a lot of protection on that pick.

Glad we got that out of the way. Who wouldn’t lmao

Yes, thanks everyone for participating. We can now turn our attention to Hellebuyck.

 

[Kimota]

Great. Keep him. OK with Hoffman as the cap dump, but for anything longer than a year, you're paying for it.

Jesus Christ, what a comment. Guessing that taking garbage contracts from the Habs should be a fun pastime for everybody, or what?

It's not garbage. WTF are you talking about.

 

[Hunter368]

I can offer more I believe;

Florida 1st
Calgary 1st( top3 protected)
Justin Barron
Owen Beck

Better?

I would absolutely do that, heck I would even take a one year cap dump with that.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Im upping the notch here , Dvorak + Harris + 3rd round pick. Tough to give up so much but Winnipeg can't refuse that offer its too good

 

[Buffdog]

Im upping the notch here , Dvorak + Harris + 3rd round pick. Tough to give up so much but Winnipeg can't refuse that offer its too good

One of your brethren said Harris isn't available. You guys need to talk amongst yourselves more lol

 

[Guffman]

One of your brethren said Harris isn't available. You guys need to talk amongst yourselves more lol

@Mersss said Harris is a better player than Romanov when he was traded for 13OA. I think he figures that Harris is worth a 10OA.

This discussion is honestly a circus.

 

[Buffdog]

@Mersss said Harris is a better player than Romanov when he was traded for 13OA. I think he figures that Harris is worth a 10OA.

This discussion is honestly a circus.

Sometimes I wonder if there are no actual Hab fans on here and it's just some Russian bot farm f***ing with us for some strange reason

I've gained respect for the HFJets guys that have come in here and calmly laid out stats and logic only to have stuff like you just mentionned come back.

 

[Voight]

The key wording for me there was "brisson willing to work with chevy"...

Doesn't sound like it's "I want to only be in montreal". Also, if his goal was to get to Montreal asap, he'd sign his 1 year deal and go at UFA next summer. This makes it sound like he's willing to be elsewhere

I'm guessing there is a list of markets he'd re-sign in and chevy can work to get the best deal from those teams

If hes smart hell angle a move to. contender. Given his ties and background, Habs will always be there to offer him a huge contract even if its 7 or 8 years from now.

For all this talk of Dubois wanting to go to the Habs, I could see it being an absolute career crushing disaster. I really don’t think he’s going to like the Habs media the second he struggles

Between what will be a massive cap hit and being a QC player, year the media will eviscerate him.

 

[Voight]

I love these threads because they're usually filled with comments like 'PIONK for Trouba are you kidding me?? Never in a million years bud'

edit:
here's an actual example

Value of: - Trouba

Sanheim just had a better ES scoring year than Trouba Sanheim’s 5v5 P/60 last year was 1.11, and that’s with a moderately elevated sh%. Trouba’s last 3 years are 1.29, 1.22 and he dipped to 0.96 due to a slump in the second half of this season. He was running at ~1.3P/60 until Dec. The chances...

forums.hfboards.com

While w e should never discount the 32 NHL GMs collective ability to make really bad trades, Trouba isn't a regular trade. He forced a move to NY.

Likewise nobody was saying the Hawks got killed on the Kane trade. A bigger return would've been ideal, but it was either move him to the Rangers or screw over a franchise icon.

PLD defining his legacy as a quitter.

When the going gets tough, Pierre-Luc gets going.

 

[Voight]

My favourite aspect of hockey analysis is when two people can watch the same player play and have two exceptionally different views on them.

To me, Anderson with his contract has negative value. He is big and fast but is awful defensively. Offensively he is one tricked with his north south rush, but is incapable of cycling the puck and incapable of high impact passes. This is a player who gets heralded for his "goal scoring" ability, yet struggles to crack 20 goals despite playing the majority of his time with the top two units of Montreal.

He gets lauded with these "intangibles" as if points do not tell the whole story, but if you are incapable of making a key pass, or cycling the puck despite your massive frame - you are killing more offence than creating. Especially with his tendency to blow his coverage. With a contract pushing 6 million, that's a no go for me.

Hard to justify such a cap charge for a guy who's never scored 30 goals and has scored 40 points once.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Beck, Barron & pick 31, if Dvorak is coming over. If not, we leave Beck out of the discussion.

Again - it is not the Jets' responsibility to help Montreal with its bad contracts. It is a service that comes with a cost.

We keep Dvorak. I have no issue with his contact at all. Gallagher on the other hand if you want him I would add Beck...

 

[Frank Drebin]

If hes smart hell angle a move to. contender. Given his ties and background, Habs will always be there to offer him a huge contract even if its 7 or 8 years from now.



Between what will be a massive cap hit and being a QC player, year the media will eviscerate him.

Hopefully our current management is smarter than previous editions.

Looking good to be honest on the pld front.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

it's ok. Harris isn't really available, anyway

Lol. Harris is completely expandable.

 

[sansabri]

Lol. Harris is completely expandable.

yeah, for another D that's a better fit

 

[Mersss]

@Mersss said Harris is a better player than Romanov when he was traded for 13OA. I think he figures that Harris is worth a 10OA.

This discussion is honestly a circus.

I stand by that also. Harris played a lot better than Romanov did before he was traded.

But 13Oa last year is worth a pick around 20 this year. The D man you pick at 20, you can only hope becomes as good as Harris as been at 22 playing top4 on a shit team.

 

[Richiebottles]

Imagine he gets traded and signs a 1 year deal and we have 500000 more threads