LeBrun: Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season

[tbcwpg]

Even Friedman said 95% to Montreal. That's where I am at. I leave some possibility, but not much. 5%.

If I was a Jets fan, I would leave some possibility that something around FLA1st, Beck/Barron gets it done...

I'd be fine with that return, I just like a Vilardi return from LA better.

 

[JustAHabFan]

I'd be fine with that return, I just like a Vilardi return from LA better.

But do we know if LA will offer Vilardi? 1st + Vilardi or just Villardi ( one for one)?

 

[Daximus]

I'd be fine with that return, I just like a Vilardi return from LA better.

Yeah Vilardi is just the best piece in any offer I've seen so far. So hopefully that is where it lands.

 

[Captain97]

I may regret this but what do you think mtl offers?

I think if the deal with the Habs gets done it will be:

Justin Barron (RD, Rookie)
Florida's 1st this year or Calgary's next
Riley Kidney (Centre, back to back 100+ point season in Junior)
Christian Dvorak (place holder middle six centre + some Cap has to go back)

While he has less value if Jets want less term we could do Hoffman (1 year left) instead of Dvo and you can probably get a 4th for him at the deadline.

 

[Buffdog]

Keep telling yourself that Lou didnt talk contract with Horvat before the trade...

So again, you're going against written reports?

Lou told LeBrun (reported in the Athletic) that talks hadn't extension hadn't started - AFTER the trade was complete

 

[FSL KINGS]

Curious, what is your low base offer and high base offer. Not a troll question. It's been a lot of Habs/Jets talk and only recently the Kings added.

What is the general consensus on what you would trade and what kind of contract the Kings would offer? I'm sure you have talked with several Kings fans by now on it?

King's fans are all over the place. Almost every thread on the King's board has someone complaining that Byfield kicked their dog or something.

Personally hope the they can get PLD without including Vilardi. There's an argument for including him. Wouldn't be the end of the world.

Doubt Blake is moving Byfield or Clarke. King's need cheap players next year.

Contract wise, closer to 8 would help. With the cap going up in the near future, that may not be too big of an issue. Just have to make it work one year.

King's need a goalie too, but starting the year with Pheonix is still an improvement over how they started last year.

 

[Buffdog]

I think if the deal with the Habs gets done it will be:

Justin Barron (RD, Rookie)
Florida's 1st this year or Calgary's next
Riley Kidney (Centre, back to back 100+ point season in Junior)
Christian Dvorak (place holder middle six centre + some Cap has to go back)

While he has less value if Jets want less term we could do Hoffman (1 year left) instead of Dvo and you can probably get a 4th for him at the deadline.

See, that's a reasonable offer from a Habs fan.

Depending on what else is offered, I'd take that deal

 

[CDN24]

What if any Impact will Jesper Bratt's new $7.875M contract have on what PLD gets I wonder. Very similar situation. On year of RFA left contract buys 7 UFA years - essentially the same age . similar production over last 2 years. Bratt is a winger, Centres usually have a premium but Bratt's production in last 2 years is marginally better.

 

[Habs Halifax]

King's fans are all over the place. Almost every thread on the King's board has someone complaining that Byfield kicked their dog or something.

Personally hope the they can get PLD without including Vilardi. There's an argument for including him. Wouldn't be the end of the world.

Doubt Blake is moving Byfield or Clarke. King's need cheap players next year.

Contract wise, closer to 8 would help. With the cap going up in the near future, that may not be too big of an issue. Just have to make it work one year.

King's need a goalie too, but starting the year with Pheonix is still an improvement over how they started last year.

Totally understand that Byfield and Clarke are not on the table. Very similar to the Habs with Dach and Guhle. If you take Vilardi out, then what? Turcotte and Spence?

Turcotte and Spence
vs
Beck and Harris

What NHL contract are you sending for cap reasons? M Roy?

The other angle to this is Vilardi might be at play due to him needing a new contract. Do you have cap room to add Dubois and also sign Vilardi with M Roy going in the package?

 

[Buffdog]

King's fans are all over the place. Almost every thread on the King's board has someone complaining that Byfield kicked their dog or something.

Personally hope the they can get PLD without including Vilardi. There's an argument for including him. Wouldn't be the end of the world.

Doubt Blake is moving Byfield or Clarke. King's need cheap players next year.

Contract wise, closer to 8 would help. With the cap going up in the near future, that may not be too big of an issue. Just have to make it work one year.

King's need a goalie too, but starting the year with Pheonix is still an improvement over how they started last year.

Curious..

Do you guys see more value in Vilardi or Byfield, and why?

Seems like Byfield has more upside, but vilardi is more established?

 

[tbcwpg]

But do we know if LA will offer Vilardi? 1st + Vilardi or just Villardi ( one for one)?

We don't know if they will any more than we know if any team will include any player. He's a piece that's been brought up, that's all. LA doesn't have their 1st this year so it would be next year's. If LA thinks they'll move next year's 1st at the deadline why not do it this summer for an upgrade.

 

[Kimota]

Nevermind

 

[FSL KINGS]

Totally understand that Byfield and Clarke are not on the table. Very similar to the Habs with Dach and Guhle. If you take Vilardi out, then what? Turcotte and Spence?

Turcotte and Spence
vs
Beck and Harris

What NHL contract are you sending for cap reasons? M Roy?

The other angle to this is Vilardi might be at play due to him needing a new contract. Do you have cap room to add Dubois and also sign Vilardi with M Roy going in the package?

Cap would probably be Iafallo or Arvidsson. King's have a lot of wings.

Think they want to keep Roy, not 100% on that. Pretty sure he's not going. Right side still Doughty, Roy, Durzi, Clarke, Spence. Durzi played this year on the left mostly. Still quite a few Rd.

Prospects that could be included? Lots of options there. Depends on how good the rest of the package is & what WPG likes. WPG has stated they want players back & may lean towards better players than extra picks & prospects.

 

[Maukkis]

If we are including one of them I'm not okay with Beck anymore but I'd do the following but I'd draw the line at it.

Barron/Mailloux
Florida's 1st
Kidney
Dvorak

Beck, Barron & pick 31, if Dvorak is coming over. If not, we leave Beck out of the discussion.

Again - it is not the Jets' responsibility to help Montreal with its bad contracts. It is a service that comes with a cost.

 

[gojetsgo]

Considering the situation they are in, if I was Winnipeg, I would be more than happy to get Dvorak, Anderson and a good prospect. Because no matter what you are not gonna get the right value for him. Dubois is a 60 points player. Anderson is a physical 30 points player. He is gonna be useful to your line-up and replace in some way the skill + physical aspect that Dubois had. Then there's a center coming in to sort of fill the center gap. And a top prospect/young player(Beck, Mailloux, Harris, Barron, etc...). It's pretty similar to the Pacioretty trade and we were over the moon about it. Max was also a 60 points player, Hell a more proven 60 points player.

yea, no thank you

 

[Habs Halifax]

Cap would probably be Iafallo or Arvidsson. King's have a lot of wings.

Think they want to keep Roy, not 100% on that. Pretty sure he's not going. Right side still Doughty, Roy, Durzi, Clarke, Spence. Durzi played this year on the left mostly. Still quite a few Rd.

Prospects that could be included? Lots of options there. Depends on how good the rest of the package is & what WPG likes. WPG has stated they want players back & may lean towards better players than extra picks & prospects.

Pretty sure the Jets would like both Lafallo and Arvidsson. Probably prefer Lafallo due to the extra year in term. Other than Anderson who is locked up for more term, Habs don't have that option because our NHL contracts are not ones you would like (Hoffman, Dvorak, Armia). Maybe Eddy is OK for one year.

Doubt the NHL contract would be the major road block but could be. All teams will be asking the Jets to take a contract back though. I'm surprised the Kings would be willing to give up either of Lafallo or Arvidsson

yea, no thank you

Anderson has a 8 team NTC and I'm pretty sure he's aware of the Dubois/Habs rumors and has the Jets on his NTC list. I actually like this as do you but for different reasons. I value Anderson and don't want him going anywhere.

 

[Kimota]

If we are including one of them I'm not okay with Beck anymore but I'd do the following but I'd draw the line at it.

Barron/Mailloux
Florida's 1st
Kidney
Dvorak

Yea I think that could be pretty fair.

yea, no thank you

Would you rather have prospects than Anderson?

 

[FSL KINGS]

Curious..

Do you guys see more value in Vilardi or Byfield, and why?

Seems like Byfield has more upside, but vilardi is more established?

Different players.

Vilardi has very good offensive upside, shot & playmaking.

Byfield is more raw. Have to see where he ends up. Learning from Kopitar & Danault is a good start.

Vilardi might price himself off the team in the future depending on how his contract goes.

 

[tbcwpg]

Would you rather have prospects than Anderson?

Yes but also tell me how you plan to get Anderson to waive his NTC for Winnipeg.

 

[lomiller1]

When was the last time a 25 year old 6'2 205lb power centre who scores and hits was available in a trade and willing to lock up with his new team on an 8 year contract?

Horvat is 3 years older so his deal will run until he's 36 whereas PLD's will be done as he's just exiting his prime at 33. PLD has a higher points per game (marginally) than horvat. Plus he brings the other aspects Bo doesn't

In other words, you have no idea what it will take to aquire PLD because guys like this don't become available hardly at all

Horvat is also weak defensively and not very physical. He's nowhere close to the player PLD is.

 

[Buffdog]

Different players.

Vilardi has very good offensive upside, shot & playmaking.

Byfield is more raw. Have to see where he ends up. Learning from Kopitar & Danault is a good start.

Vilardi might price himself off the team in the future depending on how his contract goes.

Any idea on Vilardi's contract ask?

It would make a lot of sense for him to be a part of the PLD return if that's the case

 

[FSL KINGS]

Pretty sure the Jets would like both Lafallo and Arvidsson. Probably prefer Lafallo due to the extra year in term. Other than Anderson who is locked up for more term, Habs don't have that option because our NHL contracts are not ones you would like (Hoffman, Dvorak, Armia). Maybe Eddy is OK for one year.

Doubt the NHL contract would be the major road block but could be. All teams will be asking the Jets to take a contract back though. I'm surprised the Kings would be willing to give up either of Lafallo or Arvidsson



Anderson has a 8 team NTC and I'm pretty sure he's aware of the Dubois/Habs rumors and has the Jets on his NTC list. I actually like this as do you but for different reasons. I value Anderson and don't want him going anywhere.

Just cap. It's looking like one of the wings is moving, Iafallo, Arvidsson, Moore, Vilardi. Unless Vilardi takes something like a 1 year bridge deal at 2M.

Depending on what else happens like players brought in, a second one could be moved.

 

[Maukkis]

Would you rather have prospects than Anderson?

Anderson's contract is a total no-go. Don't.

 

[bmr]

Any idea on Vilardi's contract ask?

It would make a lot of sense for him to be a part of the PLD return if that's the case

I just don't see how the Kings can even take on PLD's next contract. Vilardi was a stud last year and I think he's going to be even better if he stays healthy. I'm just not sure what PLD over Vilardi does for the team. Especially with that higher cap hit.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Anderson's contract is a total no-go. Don't.

Don't worry. Habs are not really shopping Anderson and he likely has the Jets on his NTC list. Some Habs fans are desperate to move Anderson but don't fool yourself. Lots of other Habs fans prefer to keep him and Hughes/Gorton are also not desperate to trade him. It's not easy to find a big body with goal scoring power who can skate like that. We are glad to have him.